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Ike

Perhaps the root of the disagreement here is the fundamentally different way that tossups work in regular quizbowl vs. in a visual format like this. Yes, several of the ones that you bolded would likely be difficult as regular quizbowl tossups in a Regionals packet. Let's look at the Lamentation. I...

Ike

Regionals and below: The Expulsion from the Garden of Eden Rest on the Flight into Egypt Boy Being Bitten by a Lizard Gian Lorenzo Bernini’s David The Lamentation of Christ Self Portrait in a Convex Mirror The Annunciation by Leonardo da Vinci Penitent (some clues) Nationals and above: Giorgio Vasa...

Ike

I agree that Joey's and Alston's insights aren't the most clear, and it feels like some of the classic Mukherjee science scattershots we haven't seen in a while. However, I want to say two things in general about philosophy because I think they touch on some things: The first is that if you're writi...

Ike

Great set. I've been spilling a lot of ink in the Regionals discussion thread so I'll just chime in on a couple things: The version of the Hercules-Hydra tossup I played mixed Pollaiuolo slides and with Gustave Moreau slides. I buzzed on the third, misremembered which Moreau it was, and negged. But...

Ike

University of Illinois can reserve 50-70 rooms free through the campus system. Obviously the problem becomes getting teams to come to the University of Illinois. If NAQT ever wanted to host ICT in good ol' Urbana, that would be great!

Ike

This entire spiel about Max as a forum moderator is kind of silly. Idiots read HSQB all the time, and we don't have to listen to everything they say. In any case, Max has done enough to sufficiently disambiguate himself. Re: 2015 Chicago B. Yeah, so this is the problem with the morals argument. In p...

Ike

Again, I agree with Chicago's position in the abstract, so I'm not going to rehash out agreement posts. However: I think it's more productive to actually engage with what's being said. Now this is my problem. Personally I don't think it's really going to bring about any rule change or really guilt t...

Ike

Won't this just move any possible consernation over the bids earlier? Without a policy change it doesn't seem like that fixes much. It would have made sure that Eric Mukherjee showed up for instance. NAQT should consider making the autobid list viewable before SCT. Even before that they should also...

Ike

Obviously, the rest is history, as seen in this thread. Hopefully it's equally obvious that we never had any nefarious scheme to screw many well-deserving teams out of D-I bids for ICT; as Billy pointed out, this has generally never been a huge problem at ICT, and I felt like we were completely in ...

Ike

You literally had to perform at least as well D-Value wise as Chicago A to qualify for this tournament unless you got an automatic bid. This is not good! Is there any chance the Chicago A D-value is a mistake? It would be REALLY FUNNY if it were actually a miscalculation, and like, they didn't get ...

Ike

Thanks for bearing with me Mike. I'll respond to a bit: I agree that Hercules and the Hydra is a tough painting. I disagree with your statement that "Even if the audience was a symposium of art historians, the tossup wouldn't have played well, since only the Renaissance art historians would rec...

Ike

In the 2009 Chicago Open a team of me, Andrew Ullsperger, Paul Gauthier and Evan Nagler (lol, what a team) beat a team of Seth, Selene and Sorice. We thought we were world-beaters.... until we lost the next round to the Rom/Tim Hartman juggernaut when Rom obliterated a toss-up on ROME, OPEN CITY (1...

Ike

Said person posting on the forums is hardly a secondhand account. Naveed continues to be in the right here. Will Alston posting on the forums is not a secondhand account either. Independent of everything else, Will Alston posting about how people told him that what he did was cool and good is, like...

Ike

Said person posting on the forums is hardly a secondhand account. Naveed continues to be in the right here. Will Alston posting on the forums is not a secondhand account either. Will is in the right. Less glibly, all of this talk about feelings is rather irrelevant to the discussion at hand. How te...

Ike

Is it really that wrong to publicly state that we had fun playing, and that others around us seemed to have fun playing too? Especially when the people who actually played didn't seem to have a major problem with it (and in some cases are baffled by the white-knighting of non-involved parties on th...

Ike

It's great that Charlie had fun, I enjoy fun as well, but the actual meat of his argument defending himself is the point that it didn't break any rules and that it had no real effect on the end results. I think the assumption by the community at large was that there was some devious scheme cooked u...

Ike

In one of these documents, Susan Sandler said that a realtor had "found a handkerchief" with a "map" on it. Another of these documents, written by Tony Carrk, quotes unpublished speech excerpts about the film Lincoln discussing "public" and (*) "private" posi...

Ike

I definitely would like to hear from the Rocky Mountain circuit too. For all we know, Charlie Dees gave a lot of advice in helping out Colorado's circuit -- he could have given some recruiting advice, shown what real competition is like by acting as a stepping stone of hope for the Rocky Mountain te...

Ike

We do not currently have such a policy (so teams are free to travel where they wish). In any case, this doesn't look any more exploitative than teams splitting up their A teams to qualify their much weaker B team, except this one may have involved an airplane ticket. Ike That's not true. If Chicago...

Ike

We do not currently have such a policy (so teams are free to travel where they wish). IIRC, there used to be a policy in place, but Illinois and others pushed hard for a relaxation after the 2010 Indiana fiasco, complete with us almost dying while driving on the highway of death. This certainly doe...

Ike

Okay, so my issue with the tournament is that I just don't think it really worked on many tossups. A small number of these (maybe five total?) were just not great tossup answers since they are so detail-lax. I'm thinking of the Girl with a Pearl Earring tossup, and if IIRC a tossup on van Gogh's sel...

Ike

As unfortunate as Kevin's situation is, I'm not sure if abolishing the clock doesn't solve the obvious underlying problem of bad logistics. Chris Borglum does make a valid point about the clock minimizing banter. My recommendation is to have a clock that counts up and not down, just so moderators ca...

Ike

For the record, the second half of your post sounds like a sensible critique, but the first half sounds a lot like sour grapes blended with a heavy helping of dismissive condescension. Nothing that's been said really gives me (or anyone) reason to think otherwise. Nice backpedal. Look, obviously yo...

Ike

I'm willing to believe that I'm not very good at quizbowl, but the only arguments you have are "I saw other people having a good time" and "lol Ike maybe you suck?!?!?" Vasa I've never met you outside for a brief moment; you've never met me and you certainly have no idea how litt...

Ike

Actually, I think it's about high-time someone call out the poor quality of these sets. While I hesitate to complain about free quizbowl, this set...was not very good, much like the last 2-3 iterations. I'm reminded of a particular tossup involving a painting where I wrote a whole 10 page paper on, ...

Ike

While I agree with Jordan's line of thinking here, I think the most important thing that this tournament could work on (at least in terms of difficulty), is consciously choosing easy parts that reward knowledge, are accessible, and not "find your ass" easy. I was pretty baffled by the Migr...

Ike

I really do find it hard to believe that NAQT is so busy that they have to wait until summer to even begin to discuss a rule.* So it's very hard for me to not treat that as a disingenuous or "not sincere" response. *And I say this as someone who kind of knows what the question production s...

Ike

Can you provide an example of this? I can assure you that every time we've said we'd discuss something, we did so, at least in the time I've been a member. That does not, of course, mean that the outcome was what you wanted. Are you just looking for posts like "As promised, we discussed it. No...

Ike

I obviously am in support of having teams hear all 24 tossups (which is not the same as abolishing the clock.) I just want to make that clear for the record. First, I'd like to apologize for missing the opportunity to discuss the clock when it was an issue after the 2015 SCT. Simply put, it was some...

Ike

I have found the problem to be that what was once a more open discussion area, with voices and opinions you didn't hear much on the forums, has been taken over by a few dominant voices, who have the same stale views about quizbowl issues. Conversations about quizbowl in the IRC have become like bro...

Ike

So, why is NAQT still requiring this rule for the players who most strenuously reject it publicly ? Why can't the people who are most likely to take advantage of this rule do so? The clock is dumb and actively encourages people, in many instances, to play less quizbowl and hear fewer questions . I ...

Ike

bird bird bird bird bird wrote:For the record, the SCT is still required to use exactly ten-minute halves.

Wait, what? Is that rule for only non-official NAQT events, or something? In any case, that does seem not to be made entirely clear - granted I just read the red text.

Ike

At the tournament director’s discretion, a tournament may use longer halves than those specified in these rules. This is a fantastic rule change. I urge every SCT site to consider using this so that teams can experience every question in its glory - (everything else being equal of course.) I know a...

Ike

What the heck? Every tournament has trouble with staff. That's why you announce it so that people can volunteer to staff your tournament! This is by far the most incompetent way to handle it. I would definitely put this under the "really stupid" category.

Ike

July 22nd is the most popular date for Chicago Open, so we're rolling with that. Unless I am mistaken, the only event on the docket besides Chicago Open proper is Auroni's literature tournament. Please post here if you wish for your event to be added to the docket on Sunday.

Ike

This is the official announcement for Chicago Open 2017, which will be held at the University of Chicago at some later date. The main tournament will be held on Saturday, July 22nd, with auxiliary events on Sunday, July 23rd. The tournament will be edited by a team comprised of science speicalist Bi...

Ike

Wow. Maybe, you're the one who should be giving people more time by not procrastinating tournament site announcement dates through inept communication? Many of the people I have talked to refused to write for your tournament until recently because they had no idea if they could play it since tournam...

Ike

Don't forget to include your full name when you fill out these polls. The announcement for Chicago Open will go out soon, but I'll keep this poll open for a while longer.

Ike

Ike

Pretty self-explanatory - just include your full name and all the dates which you are available to attend. I will obviously have to coordinate with Chicago on the scheduling, so it's not necessarily the case that the most popular date will be the one that actually happens. Form Stay tuned for an ann...

Ike

I agree with Mik here. This does seem really like small potatoes at this point and an annoying elitism that really isn't relevant for most tournaments. I guess to put the scope in perspective, when I said "meat and potatoes" in that thread, I was bemoaning how nearly all the science questi...

Ike

For what it's worth, I don't really intend to make this a "common" practice. I took a trip to LA to have getaway from the cold, stay and catch up with some of my fraternity brothers, hang out with a good friend of mine, and do one of the things I love most - play quizbowl, in person, with...

Ike

Uh, wow, that was long! Okay, so when I made the post about the "story of art" I don't mean in the Gombrichan sense necessarily. I'm reminded of the Christ's Entry into Brussels question that Eric wrote for Pennance years ago (sorry to keep bringing this up Eric, but it's illustrative.) I'...

Ike

This is silly--how was anyone supposed to read Jordan's mind to know what the "actual" rules were? Yes, I agree this is silly. And I do think it's bad that not everyone knew what was going on. But since it was Jordan's tournament it's pretty obvious he gets to set the rules of qualificati...

Ike

It's not "apocalyptic," sure (and nothing about Naveed's post suggests that it is). But if you don't think that the clearly non-isolated practice of ineligible students applying for and receiving private special dispensation to play closed tournaments is a slippery slope (or toxic to the ...

Ike

Jordan explained the true eligibility rules, as obviously, those eligibility rules you all have quoted are incorrect since Jordan stepped on here to explain them! If there's any fault it would be on Jordan, since it's his tournament and he gave Will permission to play it!

Ike

The problem with the title of the thread is that, despite what the title suggests, no one is doing this, because the tournament wasn't closed to begin with! And it certainly isn't as apocalyptic or slippery slopey as Naveed's post suggests. What obviously happened here was that Will got permission f...

Ike

This an excellent post with some tips on how to write arts if you're a competent writer trying to add painting to your repertoire. I find Stephen's post excellent too -- I spend / have spent a lot of time removing subjective / incorrect wording from painting questions, and it's something that would ...

Ike

Now that we're done talking about Naveed Bork's quizbowl America, I do think that there are points of discussion that are worth talking about here: the presence of semi-closed tournaments in some regions. I agree with Mike Cheyne and Evan Adams on their points. Certainly if I were head editor, I wou...

Ike

I'll let Jordan and Maryland step in here to give a full response to this, but Naveed this does seem needlessly aggressive. Will Alston got permission to play this tournament from Jordan at the UCLA site; I almost applied for the same thing because it's a Jordan Brownstein tournament. I certainly do...

Ike

I'll PM you with specifics. I would post the specific instances of this story here, but the set is not clear -- so I'll definitely do that once Terrapin is clear.

Ike

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