Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

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Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby gyre and gimble » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:37 pm

The seventh annual Harvard Fall Tournament will be held on November 10, 2012. Like it was last year, it is on Veteran's Day weekend to give teams who are traveling some extra time between schooldays. As in the past the set will be house-written and I (Stephen Liu) will be serving as head editor.

Graham Moyer will serve as the tournament director, which means you should register with him by email at gmoyer01 @ college dot harvard dot edu. Please use "HFT Registration" as the subject header and indicate clearly how many teams you will be bringing. If you're not sure, give us a range and we'll make a note of it but you won't be guaranteed a spot in the field until you state a definite number.

The Set

We are planning to write 15 rounds, with the last two being special finals packets of slightly higher difficulty than the other 13. In the past we produced a 16-packet set, but as far as I know our 14th prelim packet was never read last year at any of the sites. We will write another packet if it appears later on that a 16th is required. Each packet will include the following:

4/4 Literature
4/4 Science
4/4 History
3/3 RMP
3/3 Fine Arts
1/1 Social Science
1/1 Geography/Current Events

Some people had issues with the perceived discrepancy between the stated and actual difficulties of our questions, so I'll try to state exactly what we are aiming for. This set will certainly be more difficult than novice sets and some questions will be more difficult than what one might expect from an HSAPQ or regular-difficulty house-written set. That said, the questions should be far easier than nationals-level. For tossups, we'll emphasize harder lead-ins and early clues over harder answer-lines, meaning you shouldn't worry about tossups on overly difficult topics. The bonuses will still be easy 10's and gettable 20's, and you should only notice a difference when you hear a slightly harder "hard" part. These differences serve to better differentiate very skilled teams while doing the best to maintain the same quality of playability for teams not quite at that level.

Since this is also what we were aiming for last year, the best set to look at to understand what I mean would be last year's HFT questions. We hope to use what we learned last year to make this year's questions hit even closer to the goals stated above. (Since quizbowlpackets.com has been in disuse, I'm not sure where you can find the set. It would be great if somebody could let me know what to do with it, since it hasn't shown up anywhere after I sent it to George six months ago.)

Lastly, we will put in extra effort to deliver a set with clean grammar, since that was an issue last year during the first use of HFT VI.

If you would like to mirror our set, send me an email at 7h3 dot white dot rabbit @ gmail dot com. We're especially looking for mirror sites in the Georgia area, the Kentucky/Ohio area, Southern California, Illinois, Texas, and the DC/MD/VA area. The mirror fee is $15 per team.

Tournament Format

We'll announce this as the field starts to shape up, but we can say now that we're aiming for a field of 36, mostly due to staffing/buzzer limitations. If you have experienced available staff, let us know! If you can bring buzzers, let us know!

Fee Structure

$80 base fee
-$10 buzzer discount
-$20 (experienced) staff discount

Mirror Sites
Illinois: Rockford Auburn - December
DC Area: Georgetown Day School - April
Southern California: Rancho Bernardo - March/April (Pending)
Georgia: Marist - January (Invitational)

If you have any questions about the set, send me an email. Questions about the tournament can be directed to Graham.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (11/10/12)

Postby christino » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:48 pm

There's been a copy of the set here, but I have no idea if it's the most recent version of the set.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (11/10/12)

Postby Great Bustard » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:49 pm

Put Ridgewood down for 3 teams for now, though that may change. I will likely be able to come, but don't want to commit just yet. However, I can commit at least 10 buzzers if needed (and thank you for the loan from last year for MA NHBB, btw), and likely up to 20 if needed, so there's no reason this shouldn't be able to accommodate a minimum of 76 teams from at least a buzzer standpoint.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (11/10/12)

Postby Edward Powers » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:34 pm

Saint Joseph of Metuchen, NJ has registered 2 teams, 1 buzzer & 1 moderator with Graham for this year's HFT.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (11/10/12)

Postby gyre and gimble » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:14 pm

I think Graham is still in China and has limited internet capability so you'll see a running list of registered teams when he gets back.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby Cassian » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:14 am

LASA will be making the trip to Boston for another HFT with some number of teams to be determined. Graham, I'll be emailing later today to confirm.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby TheKingInYellow » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:13 pm

Hey guys! Here's our first field update. EDITTED as of 10/22

Teams: 38

AMSA 1
Bromfield 1
Brookline 2
Dunbar 1
Hanover 1
Hingham 3
Hunter 2
Kellenberg 2
LASA 5
Lexington 2
Norwell 1
"Team Q" 1
Seven Lakes 1
Smithtown East 2
Smithtown West 2
South Burlington 2
St. John's 2
St. Joseph's 2
State College 4
Wayzata 1
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby Edward Powers » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:44 pm

Graham---a minor correction on your update---Saint Joe's has registered TWO teams. But thanks for the update.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby jessbowen » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:16 pm

Hi,

AMSA would like to come. We could most likely bring 2 teams and two buzzers.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby TheKingInYellow » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:38 pm

Our field is currently at 27 teams, meaning we only have 9 more slots available. Register a team while there's still time!
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby gyre and gimble » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:10 pm

We'll try to get more staff to expand the field if necessary, though.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby TheKingInYellow » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:34 pm

As of right now, we've filled up our 36 team field. However, the field will probably be expanded by at least a few teams, so please keep sending registrations in! At they very least you'll be at the head of the waiting list.

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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby gyre and gimble » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:40 pm

It looks like we're going to have enough staff and buzzers (if Ridgewood can still bring a whole bunch of buzzers, that is) to expand the field, but I can only confirm that once we book more rooms. We'll keep you posted.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby TheKingInYellow » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:08 pm

Good news! The HFT field has been expanded to 42 teams! We might be able to expand it further so if you're still interested in playing, be sure to register with me at gmoyer01@college.harvard.edu
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby TheKingInYellow » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:00 pm

We have 1 slot open! Register today!
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby Great Bustard » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:56 pm

gyre and gimble wrote:It looks like we're going to have enough staff and buzzers (if Ridgewood can still bring a whole bunch of buzzers, that is) to expand the field, but I can only confirm that once we book more rooms. We'll keep you posted.


Yeah, we've got your buzzer back. Just let me know the # of systems you need. I can probably spare 6-10 systems that day, if you really need more, let me know, as I was thinking of placing an order for more soon anyway.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby gyre and gimble » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:33 am

nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:
gyre and gimble wrote:It looks like we're going to have enough staff and buzzers (if Ridgewood can still bring a whole bunch of buzzers, that is) to expand the field, but I can only confirm that once we book more rooms. We'll keep you posted.


Yeah, we've got your buzzer back. Just let me know the # of systems you need. I can probably spare 6-10 systems that day, if you really need more, let me know, as I was thinking of placing an order for more soon anyway.


I think we need 6 more to run the tournament but if you could bring 10 that would be great. We'd obviously give you discounts for all 10.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby gyre and gimble » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:43 am

gyre and gimble wrote:
nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:
gyre and gimble wrote:It looks like we're going to have enough staff and buzzers (if Ridgewood can still bring a whole bunch of buzzers, that is) to expand the field, but I can only confirm that once we book more rooms. We'll keep you posted.


Yeah, we've got your buzzer back. Just let me know the # of systems you need. I can probably spare 6-10 systems that day, if you really need more, let me know, as I was thinking of placing an order for more soon anyway.


I think we need 6 more to run the tournament but if you could bring 10 that would be great. We'd obviously give you discounts for all 10.


Ok, so actually if you're only bringing 1 team then you'd just be playing for free, since your buzzer discount exceeds the base fee.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby gyre and gimble » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:48 pm

Though we thankfully have no reprisal of that Occupy nonsense, we're nevertheless split between the Quad and the Yard for HFT this year. It's about a 12 minute walk between those two areas, so like last year we'll break into playoffs at lunch. We'll be emailing coaches/whoever sent the registration email about where to go Saturday morning. This all worked out fairly smoothly last year so I hope it won't be much of a problem.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby TheKingInYellow » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:48 pm

Hey, so I've sent out emails with tournament times/locations. If you didn't get an email or have problems/questions, shoot me an email at gmoyer01@college.NOSPAMharvard.edu
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby wexs883198215 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:42 pm

Just a quick update: prelim stats can be found here: http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/1166/stats/prelims/standings/ and the teams are ranked as follows heading into playoffs:

St. John's A, LASA B, LASA A, Hunter A, Seven Lakes, Dunbar, LASA C, Team Q, Wayzata, State College A, Hanover, Hunter B
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby Edward Powers » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:57 pm

Any news about the final standings?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby Mooman » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:27 pm

Here are the stats for the tournament, missing the superplayoffs, which should by up soon.
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/1166/stats

LASA A/B were tied for first place at the end of the tournament, but left to go to the symphony; I think they're planning on playing out a final at home. St. John's and Hunter both had two losses I believe (although I don't have the stats on me at the moment - confirm anybody?), and the other two teams in the top bracket of the super-playoffs were Dunbar and LASA C.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby wexs883198215 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:18 am

Sorry for the delay, but here are the super-playoff stats! We had to double check a couple of things but please let me know at kuokaichin@college.harvardSPAM.edu if there are things that still need to be fixed!

http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/1166/stats/playoffs%2Bsuperplayoffs/
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament VII (Cambridge, MA 11/10/12)

Postby gyre and gimble » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:35 pm

Thanks to everyone for a successful tournament! While this marks the second year in a row that our exciting finals packets went to waste (at least at our site), I was still happy to see multiple close, exciting matches between excellent teams. I hope everyone enjoyed the set, though there were quite a few errors which will be corrected before Dec. 1, our first mirror. If LASA wants to play off their tie for first, just shoot me an email and I can send along the Finals.

Just looking over the stats, I think we succeeded in making HFT accessible to lower-level teams, especially considering that about half of our field was probably not national-caliber. I like to think that this is because we made an effort to make 10's and 20's on bonuses more common than last year. The bonus conversions for the top teams don't appear to be objectionable, but I did get a slight feeling, especially in the superplayoffs, that people were feeling like they were getting too many gimme-30's. I'm not sure how prevalent that feeling was, but I did agree with them for quite a few of those bonuses. So I think next year we'll be aiming for slightly harder hard parts. Tossups-wise, we picked answers that we hoped everyone would at least have heard of, even if they'd only been playing quizbowl since September. Sometimes that wasn't the case but I was happy with tossup conversion even in the lower-level matches I read for. Regarding clues, the aim was to have pretty hard leadin and early-middle clues, but that tended to vary, especially with subjects I'm not as familiar with, which meant I wasn't able to edit the clues as well. For example, I can't remember a single buzzer race on history (in the first 3 lines), but there were buzzer races on science. That's something we'll work on for next year's set.

To sum up though, I think this was a pretty promising transition for HFT. Now that we've succeeded in improving accessibility, I think we'll focus more on getting rid of those buzzer races and further stratifying upper-level bonus conversion. Thanks again to all and we hope to see you back again next year!
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