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Horned Screamer wrote:To John Gilbert, the whole thing is that, like, my post to Dave Madden didn't violate the rules, as best as I know, so there was no reason to warn me in the first place. You seem to have a lot of trouble comprehending that, among many other things.
Horned Screamer wrote:Also, you posted something really stupid and self righteous related to the same issue in that dumb "Quiz Bowl Misc." Facebook group
Horned Screamer wrote:...yelled about how all your magical civility is somehow what is saving the circuit...
Horned Screamer wrote:...without noticing that the whole point you were responding to was that, like, you've NEVER done anything, as far as we know, to actually spread good quizbowl beyond simply patronizing local tournaments, so your ridiculous pronouncements had no backing. I on the other hand co-founded an organization that got something like 120 schools to play pyramidal tournaments in the last year alone who would never have without us because they were in Missouri or Kansas, two of the most hostile states for good quizbowl just a few years ago. Hearing people like you, with absolutely worthless track records in actual quizbowl work, pass judgement about my efficacy when I am one of the people most directly responsible for one of the fastest, most effective good quizbowl recruitment success stories in the game, is one of the most grating things imaginable. People like Coaches Reinstein, Romero, Prince, the people involved in the Ohio and Michigan circuits, and yes, Matt Weiner, are all examples of people who have put in all kinds of work on making quizbowl better in their own region that I will totally listen to them and be willing to accept that their opinions come from a place of experience, even if I may not always end up agreeing with them. You, what the hell have you ever done besides keep spreading this lie that everything is valid and good and nothing is ever bad. Heads up, just like I told some other guy recently, just because you exist and have an opinion DOES NOT make it as equally valid as everybody else's when other people have put in WAY more work than you....
Cheynem wrote:What unyielding criticism is directed towards tournaments that are in keeping with good quizbowl?
Look, just WHO are these hordes of mean people who promote good quizbowl and dislike reasonable discussion and are only interested in being right? I'm not denying that there are people who step out of bounds, but I'll again reiterate that these are frequently people who are NOT part of the board establishment and frequently receive punishment/chastisement.
mrgsmath wrote:A secondary example of a tone problem, though not related directly to a tournament and Good Quiz Bowl, was in a post made earlier this summer (which I will find if you feel it is critical to the advancement of the discussion) was an individual who was planning a tournament and was going to write some or all of the questions, one of the first responses was not to support the project, or even to ask if they were comfortable with writing questions, it was rather to ask what qualifications the person had for writing questions. While a good question at some point, it had the result of basically of having the person back off and proclaim he would go with regular supplier. Though it may well have been the best decision for the person, the approach and tone was not what I would consider inviting.
Jeff Hoppes (one of the people Chris Borglum puzzlingly cited as a "non-hostile" person who embodies values opposite from...the forum that he runs?*)
When people with way more experience are telling you you are wrong, maybe you should realize that means something, rather than rail against them as if the fact you are a person means you have an equally worthwhile opinion as every other person.
Cheynem wrote:I went back and looked at the threads you referred to.
IMSANITY discussion seemingly begins elsewhere, but I guess it really begins here:
The Eighth Viscount of Waaaah wrote:Brian, if the basic thrust of your post is that we should be lenient with new members who haven't really oriented themselves with the dynamic on these forums, then sure, I'm all for that, and I think there are positive steps we can take as individuals to make sure we do that. I doubt any new policy changes will help, but feel free to propose things if you want.
I will note, though, that a large chunk of this thread is about "repeat offenders" - and by offenders, I don't mean people who have somewhat unorthodox opinions on particular topics (like that Jacob Reed kid, who seems a perfectly nice fellow acting in good faith), but people who deny the basic principles of this board in promoting "good quizbowl."
Bartleby wrote:In the forum for teams new to quiz bowl, why not have forum-specific moderators (which is something I believe you can do)
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