Going to HS tournaments without coaches?

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Going to HS tournaments without coaches?

Post by CaptainKirk » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:08 pm

Our school has basically given us the finger in terms of funding, opting instead for boosting the football team again. We are beginning to fundraise to get to some of the tournaments, but there are many that we won't be able to attend either because of funding or because of our coach's busy lifestyle. Have any teams ever gone as a group of friends and carpool to a tournament without school funding or affiliation before? If we did this, could we still qualify as a high school team for nationals at these "non-affiliated group" tournaments?
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Post by heterodyne » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:14 pm

We did this quite a bit. There are a few things to keep in mind. First, make sure that your transportation, logistics, and payment are worked out well in advance. Second, ensure that those hosting are aware that you will be attending unaffiliated. This could be an issue due to restrictions set by their own venue or to ensure that they use the pseudonym you want.
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Post by ryanrosenberg » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:19 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:Our school has basically given us the finger in terms of funding, opting instead for boosting the football team again. We are beginning to fundraise to get to some of the tournaments, but there are many that we won't be able to attend either because of funding or because of our coach's busy lifestyle. Have any teams ever gone as a group of friends and carpool to a tournament without school funding or affiliation before? If we did this, could we still qualify as a high school team for nationals at these "non-affiliated group" tournaments?
Definitely let the tournament director know which school you're from, and make sure that they're okay with a pseudonym. When I directed last year's Tar Heel Cup, we had an unaffiliated team playing under a pseudonym that qualified for NSC. They had told me what school they were, though, so I was able to tell PACE and make sure their qualification went through.

Both HSNCT and NSC have had teams play under pseudonyms at nationals in the past few years, too, so there shouldn't be a problem there.
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Post by CaptainKirk » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:38 pm

But would we be able to play as a pseudonym team, and then play as our high school at nationals? Would that just require us to give some background info to the tournament directors?
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Post by Important Bird Area » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:46 pm

For HSNCT, you would need to apply for a wildcard bid (explaining that you played pseudonymously at the local qualifying events).
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Post by The Stately Rhododendron » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:28 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:Our school has basically given us the finger in terms of funding, opting instead for boosting the football team again. We are beginning to fundraise to get to some of the tournaments, but there are many that we won't be able to attend either because of funding or because of our coach's busy lifestyle. Have any teams ever gone as a group of friends and carpool to a tournament without school funding or affiliation before? If we did this, could we still qualify as a high school team for nationals at these "non-affiliated group" tournaments?
Because our coach having a kid/working Saturdays, Oakland Mills almost never went to a tournament with a coach. We signed up for tournaments and then drove to them. Fortunately for us, we got some school funding. We always went as Oakland Mills, and our school didn't care/had no problems with it.

Is there a reason why you couldn't go as DuBois? Does your school not allow you to go without a coach?
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Post by CaptainKirk » Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:10 pm

The Stately Rhododendron wrote:
Because our coach having a kid/working Saturdays, Oakland Mills almost never went to a tournament with a coach. We signed up for tournaments and then drove to them. Fortunately for us, we got some school funding. We always went as Oakland Mills, and our school didn't care/had no problems with it.

Is there a reason why you couldn't go as DuBois? Does your school not allow you to go without a coach?
Our school is very strict where it doesn't need to be, and lenient where it needs to be strict. We pretty much have to have a coach, school approval, and school-approved transportation for any event that could be associated with a school "club". We have to be supervised at all times as the quiz bowl team, but football players can drive to and from away games by themselves. It's very imbalanced here.
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Post by Howard » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:51 pm

This year, for the first time ever, due to my philoshophical issues with an organizer, I refused to take my team to a particular tournament. I made it clear to my team the extent of my issues and advised them they were still free to make up their own minds as to whether they still wished to attend without me or support from the school. As part of this, I told them I thought the whole pseudonym idea was silly. There are all from the same school and would have met any qualification requirements of the tournament. It's my opinion independent teams are free to call themselves whatever they want while they're on their own time, and the school or school system is would be violating their free speech by telling them they can't.
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Post by heterodyne » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:49 pm

You may find the pseudonym idea silly, but in many cases it's necessary to avoid school retribution.
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Post by ryanrosenberg » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:40 pm

For PACE NSC, as long as we can verify that all the students are from the same school, a performance playing under a pseudonym will qualify you for nationals. Teams with strong performances using pseudonyms that just fall short of nationals qualification may use those performances in their wildcard bids.
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Re: Going to HS tournaments without coaches?

Post by Captain Sinico » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:04 pm

Sorry to hear of your difficulties. I'm sure you can find a way around them if you'll put some effort in.

Schools are often okay with a parent trusted by the coach accompanying a team for the purposes of making everything official. Even if your school's not cool with that, local tournament organizers usually really only care that you have some affiliated responsible adult. Ergo, see if you can rope a parent in and have them be your chaperone or coach.

On a related note, schools are often much more receptive to parental pressure than student pressure when it comes to things like one team getting the shaft over another. That might be an avenue to pursue if you find it necessary.
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Re: Going to HS tournaments without coaches?

Post by vishdog101 » Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:16 pm

As the founder/captain of my middle school quiz bowl team, the school administration did the same thing to us. Your best bet would be what you previously mentioned-carpooling. However, you are required to have an adult chaperone of some sort. Good luck!

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Re: Going to HS tournaments without coaches?

Post by joyous » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:27 pm

My school started a quiz bowl team relatively recently (last year), but they do not really have a coach and the club is entirely student-run. The presidents of the club managed to get a grant to fund a few buzzer sets as well as transportation to tournaments. My team decided to split off due to club board issues, so now we play under a pseudonym as well as pay for our own registration, etc.

Even so, it's entirely fine to play at tournaments without a coach while representing your school, but if your club ever turns sour, you always have the option of playing under a pseudonym! To be frank, I did not know that pseudonyms can apply for wild card bids for HSNCT so thanks for indirectly answering any questions I would have had for that :)

Best of luck!
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