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"Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:58 am

Tejas, Naveed, Rob, and I have an idea for a guerrilla sports event called "Let's Remember Some Guys." The idea parallels the intermittent Deadspin series "Let's Remember Some Guys."

What is a "guy"?

Each tossup will be on a single athlete. The key is that the athletes must be in the vein of Deadspin's "guys": somewhat memorable, but not particularly dominant or otherwise notable. The main criterion is whether, after hearing the tossup, the players will go "oh, yeah, I remember that guy." (It might help to pick guys you actually remember.) Anyone too obscure for that isn't a guy. Anyone whose existence you don't need to be reminded of isn't a guy. Some examples of guys: Rick Ankiel, Smush Parker, Jason Campbell, and Anthony Kim. Examples of not guys: Derek Jeter, Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady, and Roger Federer.

When did "guys" play?

Because we're actually trying to remember guys, try not to pick players whose careers ended before 1998 or so, or players whose careers are still in progress, although there is some leeway here. If you want to include some historical guys in your "other" category, that's fine, but the main MLB/NBA/NFL tossups should be on guys who retired sometime between 1998 and 2017 (or who are functionally retired).

How should tossups look?

The tossups should be no shorter than 4.5 lines and no longer than 6 (1" margins, 10-point Times New Roman). Clues should focus on memorable career events or off-the-field incidents. Particularly helpful clues--for instance, clues about interactions with teammates, trades, etc.--will provide useful context about the teams a player was on or the years in which they played. Try to keep the clues interesting and not almanacky.

What's the distribution?

3 MLB
3 NBA
3 NFL
3 "other" (NHL, college sports, tennis, golf, soccer, Olympics, WNBA, historical guys, etc.)

Note that some of your guys can, in fact, be ladies.

When should I be done with my many excellent packets?

We will get together to try to remember all these guys at HSNCT/PACE in 2018.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby rylltraka » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:49 am

all right all right
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby AKKOLADE » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:10 am

fantastic
theMoMA wrote:Tejas, Naveed, Rob, and I have an idea for a guerrilla sports event called "Let's Remember Some Guys." The idea parallels the intermittent Deadspin series "Let's Remember Some Guys."

When did "guys" play?

Because we're actually trying to remember guys, try not to pick players whose careers ended before 1998 or so, or players whose careers are still in progress, although there is some leeway here. If you want to include some historical guys in your "other" category, that's fine, but the main MLB/NBA/NFL tossups should be on guys who retired sometime between 1998 and 2017 (or who are functionally retired).


I'd like to humbly request that we re-evaluate the timeline of guys, because lots of guys retired earlier in the 90s. I think Craig Hodges, Harold Miner, Bud Black and Dave Righetti are all quality guys that are capable of being remembered.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Golran » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:38 am

I'll contribute a packet or 2 to this.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Skepticism and Animal Feed » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:40 am

If anyone needs help remembering MLB players from this era, I am linking to Frank Thomas's Hall of Fame Acceptance Speech. Scroll to the bottom and he gives a "verbal montage" of seemingly every middling player he was ever teammates with

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... story.html

I continue to believe I may have somehow written this speech
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Cheynem » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:11 pm

Are descriptive answers acceptable?
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:31 pm

Cheynem wrote:Are descriptive answers acceptable?


If you can fit it into the theme of guy remembering, it's probably fine, although I'm not exactly sure how that would work with a descriptive answer.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Cheynem » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:32 pm

"the guy who did ___"
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Auks Ran Ova » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:16 pm

Cheynem wrote:"the guy who did ___"

Well, you're not really remembering the guy there, are you?
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Cheynem » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:17 pm

I remember the guy, but not his name.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby lumosityfan » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:17 pm

I might contribute a packet depending on how much time I can contribute to this. (Great idea by the way; always found the "guys" who just were there ready to contribute to be underrated in the scheme of things)
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby TheRhymeMinister » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:12 pm

Love the concept. Not sure if I would be able to personally contribute a packet but I'd love to play it at some point (possibly a Canadian mirror?)
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:17 pm

Cheynem wrote:I remember the guy, but not his name.


I would say avoid answer lines that aren't specifically named "guys" unless you have a very inspired and on-theme answer that somehow bucks that trend.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby gettysburg11 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:38 pm

I will probably write a packet for this and do my best to ensure that the Philadelphia bias is not too noticeable.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Golran » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:03 am

Cheynem wrote:Are descriptive answers acceptable?


I'll also try to put together a "description acceptable" packet where the answer lines aren't players but individual plays or games where something notable or interesting happened. Stuff like "the play" having the answer line "the football game between Stanford and cal that ended with the band on the field"
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Silverman » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:16 am

gettysburg11 wrote:I will probably write a packet for this and do my best to ensure that the Philadelphia bias is not too noticeable.

extremely same
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby everdiso » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:51 am

This sounds fantastic. I am also interested in a Canadian mirror, and will certainly contribute a pack (which will likely be longer than 12 questions so that it includes more non-Big Four sports).
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby The Ununtiable Twine » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:15 pm

Are these packets meant to be 12 questions long? That just seems a little weird, thought maybe you might have typed in a wrong number or something.

*totally writing up a packet for this
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Guile Island » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:38 pm

Adam Sperber and I will be conducting a joint remembering of guys for this set. We don't know much about baseball.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:19 pm

The Ununtiable Twine wrote:Are these packets meant to be 12 questions long? That just seems a little weird, thought maybe you might have typed in a wrong number or something.

*totally writing up a packet for this


Yes, they're meant to be 12 questions long, so people can contribute without writing an overwhelming number of tossups. You're free to write a double feature if you'd like, however.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Picasso's Middle Name » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:37 pm

I'll definitely write a packet for this. Expect some cool (and a lot of) football and basketball, and probably not so cool everything else.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:55 am

I would ask that people stick to the distribution (or multiples of the distribution, if you want to write more); it'll be less fun to read if people go too wild writing on particular sports.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Nice hockey Cote d'Azur » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:16 pm

May I suggest that all tossups end with "For 10 points, remember this guy who ..." with a question mark at the end.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby That DCC guy » Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:56 pm

When do wee think this will be completed?
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:27 pm

I said in the original post that packets should be ready for the second summer open slot, whether that's an actual open or a side event weekend. If there's both a second summer open and a side event weekend, it should probably slot into the latter.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Picasso's Middle Name » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:12 pm

I've finished a packet for this. I may would be interested in writing another half-packet with someone since there is still plenty of time before these will be read.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby The Billiards Fool » Sat May 13, 2017 12:13 pm

I am currently both in the process of writing a packet and resisting heavy NYC bias. I may write a second one after this one, but I'll be submitting one at the minimum.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:22 pm

Hey guys, there are a lot of tournaments planned for this summer, and I think it makes sense to defer to those guys. Let's plan to remember some guys at HSNCT and NSC this coming year. I'll make a post later telling you guys how to submit packets. In the meantime, keep thinking of guys and writing short tossups on them. Thanks, guys.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Cheynem » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:24 pm

I think all the tossups should be on people you forgot the name of.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:54 pm

Hey guys,

I just got a PM asking if this is still on for HSNCT/PACE. The answer is "yes." Please get your packets to me by May 25 (hartam@gmail.com). I will put them all in a zip file and distribute to whoever's running the event at PACE (if anyone). The cost at both sites will be free.

At HSNCT, I'm hoping to run this as a shootout in one or two rooms. If you're interested in moderating, let me know. (I assume people will read their own packets, but it'd be nice to have people lined up to read any extras.)
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:40 pm

Remember: you have about a month to send me your packets in advance of our guy-remembering shootout at HSNCT/NSC.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Cheynem » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:07 pm

Should we randomize or power mark the tossups?
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:52 pm

Cheynem wrote:Should we randomize or power mark the tossups?


Randomize, yes. I kind of feel that just getting these tossups should be enough, but if people want to power mark their questions, feel free.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby Cheynem » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:29 pm

I thought powers were bad
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Tue May 15, 2018 6:49 pm

Ten more days to submit your packet. Info on HSNCT site forthcoming. If someone wants to run this at PACE (I will not be there), let me know.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Mon May 21, 2018 1:37 am

Reminder: please email your packets to me by Friday (to hartam@gmail.com). I've written a double-sized packet, and I think there should be another 3-4 at least, but I'd love to get more.

If you're interested in playing this at HSNCT, please fill out this form so I can determine the best time to read the event. (It will probably be later in the day on either Friday or Saturday, depending on what other events people are playing.)
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Wed May 23, 2018 2:20 pm

Let's plan to play this event on Saturday night after the Pokemon and audio tournaments conclude. Based on my informal survey of people who have expressed interest in writing, I'm guessing that we'll have at least 7 packets and probably no more than 10, so people should plan on this taking about a half hour to 45 minutes.

I will update this thread with information on rooms and start times before Saturday night. If you want an email from me about logistics, please fill out that google form, otherwise just check this thread on Saturday.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Sat May 26, 2018 7:26 pm

Meet in M105 after Pokemon/Soundtrack (should be around 10:30, I think). There are going to be at least a dozen packets (of ~12 tossups each), so there will be guys aplenty to remember, but it still shouldn't take that long.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Sat May 26, 2018 8:16 pm

This will probably be later than 10:30. I'll update in a bit.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Sat May 26, 2018 10:52 pm

Apparently the Pokemon event is going to take a couple hours, so I think we need to start reading Guys before it ends. If you're interested in remembering guys, meet in M105 at 11:30. We'll split into two rooms if necessary.

If you're playing the Pokemon set (or if Soundtrack hasn't ended yet by 11:30 and you're still playing that) and want me to keep you updated, send me an email at hartam@gmail.com.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Sat May 26, 2018 11:17 pm

Sorry for the repeated adjustments, but I just heard that Soundtrack isn't going to end for a while. Plan to meet in M105 at midnight and we'll try to start as soon as possible, pending the conclusion of other events if necessary.
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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Sun May 27, 2018 1:58 am

Guys were remembered (except for Luke Scott).

By PPG (points per guy), the scorers were ranked:

Tejas Raje: 2.61
Andrew Hart: 1.47
Naveed Chowdhury: 1.41
Mike Cheyne: 1.30
Cory Haala: 1.05
Alex Sankaran: 1.03
Ryan Rosenberg: 0.94
Chris Manners: 0.77
Robert Chu: 0.56
Jake Sundberg: 0.33
Rohin Devanathan: 0.32
Neil Vinjamuri: 0.24
Carsten Gehring: 0.18
Ankit Aggarwal: 0.09

Tejas remembered a commanding 35 of 138 guys, a figure reflecting but a faint shadow of the number of guys he remembered after someone else buzzed. I would venture that no more than a couple dozen guys were not remembered before the "for 10 points."

Athletics offer fame and fortune and the distant prospect of immortality, but as the vicissitudes of life and the vagaries of humankind's feeble capacity to call up the past intercede, the athletes' reflection on the glimmering surface of perfection ever more bears the lumpy patina of reality. The struggle to outpace the setting sun is nothing less than the struggle against death; today's hot prospect is tomorrow a guy. I salute the players of tonight's event for honoring these guys. It is not enough to bear witness; one must also remember.

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Re: "Let's Remember Some Guys"

Postby theMoMA » Sun May 27, 2018 12:01 pm

We're reading the rest of the packets at 12:30 in L503.
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