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New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:31 pm

naqt.com wrote:NAQT's first-ever championship for solo high school players, the Individual Player National Championship Tournament (IPNCT), will be held on April 14-15 (Saturday-Sunday) at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare hotel near Chicago. The event will recognize an overall champion as well as the top players in history, literature, and other subject areas.

The Individual Player National Championship Tournament will use the Division II packet set from the Intercollegiate Championship Tournament (ICT), which is being held Saturday at the same site.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Antrobus63 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:53 pm

To be clear: if a student is playing for a college at SCT, like Alex for Lehigh or Clark Smith for Ohio State on Saturday, he cannot play in the Individual Player Championship on Sunday?
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Post by Cheynem » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:58 pm

Do you mean ICT?
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by jonah » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:04 pm

No one can play both ICT (either division) and IPNCT. Right now no one knows who will play ICT.

Playing SCT has no bearing on IPNCT.

Also, the IPNCT field is 56% full; we encourage interested players to register quickly!
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Important Bird Area » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:03 pm

naqt.com wrote:The field for the first Individual Player National Championship Tournament (IPNCT) is now more than 90% full: 30 of the 32 spots have been taken.
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Post by Important Bird Area » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:23 pm

The field for the IPNCT has been expanded to 40 players.
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Post by Important Bird Area » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:01 pm

The field for the IPNCT has been expanded to 48 players.
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Post by Important Bird Area » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:22 pm

The field for the IPNCT has been expanded to 56 players.
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Post by ryanrosenberg » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:44 pm

The field list says that one spot is reserved for a player from a regular-season event; which event is this?
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Post by Important Bird Area » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:03 pm

The field for the IPNCT has been expanded to 64 players.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Antrobus63 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:34 pm

Now that there will be 64 players instead of the original 32, will that change the schedule in any way? I'm trying to figure out what time would be "safe" to schedule a departing flight on Sunday. I assume the other families will need to know as well.
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Post by Shomik Ghose » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:36 pm

I'm just wondering, is there any way that a tournament participant here would get access to SCT DII questions? My state organization has said they will not allow me to play in the state championship tournament if I play in this due to question security issues so I'm leaning towards having to cancel my registration, but before I do that, I just want to know how this question security problem could arise?
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Important Bird Area » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:55 pm

Not via the tournament itself (which uses Division II ICT, not SCT). The concern expressed by some hosts is about the prospect of college players discussing the SCT set with high schoolers (since both groups would be staying in the same hotel Saturday night).
NAQT's question security responsibility page wrote:Neither hosts nor teams may exchange, show, discuss, or otherwise reveal or suggest the content of NAQT questions from the current academic year in any public forum or in any private conversation.
(Similar concerns, of course, apply to the ICT set itself. We will be issuing ICT players a reminder accordingly at their opening meeting on Saturday.)
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Important Bird Area » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:40 pm

We've reached the current 64-player field cap and started a waitlist. (We expect that the first few waitlist signups will probably have the opportunity to register for the main field at some point, given historic cancellation rates.)
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Important Bird Area » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:53 pm

Antrobus63 wrote:Now that there will be 64 players instead of the original 32, will that change the schedule in any way? I'm trying to figure out what time would be "safe" to schedule a departing flight on Sunday. I assume the other families will need to know as well.
The times we have posted:
naqt.com wrote:check-in will not start earlier than 6:00 p.m. (on Saturday), the player meeting will not start earlier than 8:00 a.m. (on Sunday), and the finals will finish no later than 5:00 p.m. (on Sunday).
are confirmed and you should feel free to go ahead and make travel plans on that basis.

That being said, we will be adjusting the format and schedule within the tournament to accommodate the greater-than-expected demand for this event.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Important Bird Area » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:04 pm

The field for the IPNCT has been expanded to 80 players.
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:59 pm

Still no ICT field expansion though, huh
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:24 pm

Sima Guang Hater wrote:Still no ICT field expansion though, huh
yeah I too can't possibly imagine why a 64-team tournament on a Saturday and an 80-person tournament on a Sunday might have different logistical requirements or space availability issues
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Important Bird Area » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:47 pm

The IPNCT has hit its current field cap of 80 players and we have restarted a waitlist.

Next week, we will confirm the commitment to attend of the existing registrants. After that process is concluded, we'll consider the possibility of further expansion. In the meantime, players interested in attending should sign up for the waitlist (as I mentioned above, it is likely that the first few players on the waitlist will have a chance to play the tournament).
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Aaron's Rod » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:43 pm

The Future National Championship Dates & Sites page says this is happening on Sunday, April 14, a date that doesn't exist (this year).
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

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Aaron's Rod wrote:The Future National Championship Dates & Sites page says this is happening on Sunday, April 14, a date that doesn't exist (this year).
Fixed.
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Post by Important Bird Area » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:36 pm

We're pleased to report that the field for the IPNCT has been expanded to 96 players.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by 1.82 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:24 am

Jeff, last year you wrote this post regarding NAQT's decision to share questions between state championship sets and Division II SCT sets:
Important Bird Area wrote:We felt that this change was the best balance between providing as many high-quality questions as our customers want to buy and placing reasonable demands on our writers and editors. (Note that some of the "nationals prep" events that formerly used the Division II SCT can be redirected to use the Division II ICT instead.)
Since NAQT is now running a national tournament for high schoolers on the Division II ICT set, it will obviously be difficult for future hosts to run their own tournaments using that set. With that in mind, is it possible that the SCT set ceases to share questions with the state championship IS set in the future? If the current situation is the norm going forward, then high school tournaments held on college NAQT questions will not be viable.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Antrobus63 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:53 pm

Since NAQT is now running a national tournament for high schoolers on the Division II ICT set, it will obviously be difficult for future hosts to run their own tournaments using that set. With that in mind, is it possible that the SCT set ceases to share questions with the state championship IS set in the future? If the current situation is the norm going forward, then high school tournaments held on college NAQT questions will not be viable.
Many of the best players cannot play IPNCT this year because they have already committed to playing the set with a college team that weekend, are at high school tournaments that were scheduled before IPNCT (the Texas Invitational), because their team may play it at the state level, or because the IPNCT was belatedly dropped into an already crowded part of the QB and school calendar. Also, the Div II ICT set serves as the pre-nationals tune-up at several sites (like East Brunswick, Guilford, Northmont) around the country... so some other outstanding players will have to choose between playing the set solo or playing with their teams. If they choose the solo route, they will screw their teams. From the IPNCT field list, it appears that many of the best players are choosing their team over IPNCT.

There are also crossover issues with other sets used in state competitions. Pennsylvania is using IS-174 this year, which is a real shame because our state runs a format in which teams can play, at most (if they're in the championship) five rounds. Nor do the teams get to keep the packets at the end of the tournament, so the 174 set is largely wasted. That set, while not as hard as an ICT set, could also serve as an pre-nats warm up... but it will be out of bounds for any team that plays even a round of it at states.

Pennsylvania's format problem is not NAQT's fault or responsibility, but in future, unless our state decides to move to a format that really utilizes most of an IS set--and they get better at running tournaments, in general--why not sell them a TV set instead? The TV format fits with PA's lightning rounds, anyway. The PSACA (Pennsylvania State Academic Coaches Association) met last night... and we feel that everyone--NAQT, the states, the schools, the coaches, the kids--would benefit from more synchronization of our schedules before they are announced in the summer/early-fall.

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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Important Bird Area » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:23 pm

Sima Guang Hater wrote:Still no ICT field expansion though, huh
There is now.

(I'll have more to say about Peter and Naveed's posts later this evening.)
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

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1.82 wrote:Since NAQT is now running a national tournament for high schoolers on the Division II ICT set, it will obviously be difficult for future hosts to run their own tournaments using that set. With that in mind, is it possible that the SCT set ceases to share questions with the state championship IS set in the future? If the current situation is the norm going forward, then high school tournaments held on college NAQT questions will not be viable.
For the record, I think this argument is starting from a bit of a mistaken premise. Note that the 2018 Division II SCT does not share questions with any of this year's IS sets, and will be used for a number of spring-semester high school tournaments.

(The change here is that we are only producing four regular-difficulty IS sets for 2017-18, not the five we have produced in some previous years.)
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Post by Important Bird Area » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:37 am

IPNCT announcement timing: Peter is correct that announcing IPNCT earlier, and avoiding the unfortunate conflict with previously-scheduled tournaments such as Texas Invitational, would make for a larger, more competitive field. That being said, the field we have is already far beyond our original projections for the size of this tournament (and even so we still have a waitlist). In general, our conclusion here is that it's better both for NAQT and for the community of players to go ahead and offer this opportunity in the spring of 2018 than to postpone the inaugural event until 2019 or beyond (which of course would have rendered the event permanently out of reach for graduating seniors).
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Antrobus63 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:08 pm

I am withdrawing Alex from the IPNCT. I admit that I have several objections to the way the tournament was announced and the way it is set up but I might have been able to ignore all of these simply because I thought my kid had a chance to win. Not very noble. But Alex's senior schedule is already full and, in the end, we simply can't afford it. We've got NHBB, HSNCT, PACE, NASAT (maybe) and then IHBB... so enough's enough. At least for my family and, I assume, for some others.

We all make mistakes, but announcing a national event in the middle of the season was a bad call. A number of excellent players will be on hand to make IPNCT 2018 a stimulating competition, but unless you give all of the best players a reasonable chance to attend (i.e., to account for it in their initial calendar and school/family budget) it's not really a "Championship."

NAQT does a lot of things well, but I encourage those folks to reach out to more coaches and parents before they make decisions like this.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournam

Post by Important Bird Area » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:36 am

We're pleased to report that the field for the IPNCT has been expanded to 112 players. There are currently four open spots in the field; register today!
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - space available!

Post by Important Bird Area » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:28 pm

We currently have 101 players registered for the 2018 IPNCT. It would be great to have a field that's a multiple of 16; interested players should register today!
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by CPiGuy » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:01 pm

For people playing this, Will Alston is running this side event the night before if people are interested.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by A_Failure » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:36 pm

The NAQT website wrote:A complete set of rule modifications will be published prior to the championship.
When will these be released?
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How will the players be seeded for Round 1 Matches?
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by jonpin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:31 pm

Given these snippets from the IPNCT format guidelines...
D-2-c. Protests will be resolved according to the same principles as in standard NAQT play (e.g., earned points are added, unearned points are removed, missed opportunities to score points are played, gameplay that shouldnʹt have happened is mooted).
D-2-d. Gameplay will continue during the resolution of the protest according to the moderatorʹs original ruling.  In particular, players who would (or may) have buzzed out if the protest is upheld will continue to play until they either buzz out (by answering more questions) or the protest is upheld.
...what will be the resolution if a player buzzes out but then loses points due to a protest (either because their answer was later ruled unacceptable or an opponent's prior answer was accepted)?
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

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A_Failure wrote:
The NAQT website wrote:A complete set of rule modifications will be published prior to the championship.
When will these be released?
Format and rules for the 2018 IPNCT are now available on naqt.com.
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justinduffy wrote:How will the players be seeded for Round 1 Matches?
We will do our best to balance the Round 1 groups, both for strength of field and for geographic diversity.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:07 pm

jonpin wrote:...what will be the resolution if a player buzzes out but then loses points due to a protest (either because their answer was later ruled unacceptable or an opponent's prior answer was accepted)?
If the points are under protest, the player will not "buzz out." The player will keep playing until the protests are resolved or the player scores enough undisputed points to buzz out.

(Note that protests must be lodged immediately after each tossup.)
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by jonpin » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:14 am

Important Bird Area wrote:
jonpin wrote:...what will be the resolution if a player buzzes out but then loses points due to a protest (either because their answer was later ruled unacceptable or an opponent's prior answer was accepted)?
If the points are under protest, the player will not "buzz out." The player will keep playing until the protests are resolved or the player scores enough undisputed points to buzz out.

(Note that protests must be lodged immediately after each tossup.)
So if A and B are both sitting on 50 points in a 60-point round, and on a single question:
A buzzes, is negged
B buzzes, gets points
A protests that their answer should've been accepted
...then both A and B would continue playing (A because, as it stands they don't have 60, and B because, if the protest is upheld, they won't have 60)?
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:45 am

jonpin wrote:
Important Bird Area wrote:
jonpin wrote:...what will be the resolution if a player buzzes out but then loses points due to a protest (either because their answer was later ruled unacceptable or an opponent's prior answer was accepted)?
If the points are under protest, the player will not "buzz out." The player will keep playing until the protests are resolved or the player scores enough undisputed points to buzz out.

(Note that protests must be lodged immediately after each tossup.)
So if A and B are both sitting on 50 points in a 60-point round, and on a single question:
A buzzes, is negged
B buzzes, gets points
A protests that their answer should've been accepted
...then both A and B would continue playing (A because, as it stands they don't have 60, and B because, if the protest is upheld, they won't have 60)?
Correct.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Aaron Goldfein » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:58 pm

Does alphabetical order really have to be a tiebreaker? Couldn't you have used last tossup answered or a coin toss or basically anything other than systematically preferring one player over another?

Also aren't the first three group rounds almost completely meaningless?
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by justinduffy » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:44 pm

How will the top subject area (history, mythology, etc) awards be determined? Will only the preliminary rounds will be taken into account?
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Illinois Admin » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:16 pm

Aaron Goldfein wrote:Does alphabetical order really have to be a tiebreaker? Couldn't you have used last tossup answered or a coin toss or basically anything other than systematically preferring one player over another?

Also aren't the first three group rounds almost completely meaningless?
I assume that the primary purpose of the first three rounds is to establish fair seeds for the less "meaningless" portions of the competition.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:15 pm

Live statistics for the 2018 IPNCT are now available on naqt.com.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:16 pm

We did end up putting a tiebreaker based on most recent correct answer before the alphabetical last-resort tiebreaker.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:18 pm

justinduffy wrote:How will the top subject area (history, mythology, etc) awards be determined? Will only the preliminary rounds will be taken into account?
Players are ranked by the ratio of the points they scored on tossups in a given subject area to the number of points that an average player would score. An average player is assumed to answer 1/n of the tossups they hear when playing in a room with n people.

These rankings use data from rounds 1-4 only.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:41 pm

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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by tksaleija » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:43 pm

Just an fyi that the link didn't paste right.
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:45 pm

Fixed, thanks!
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Re: New NAQT Individual Player NCT - April 15, Chicago

Post by Important Bird Area » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:14 pm

Congratulations to Jack Lewis (Battle Ground Academy, Franklin, Tennessee), who won the 2018 NAQT Individual Player National Championship Tournament! Jack defeated Maximilian Shatan (Bard Early College Manhattan, New York, New York) 125-70 in the final.

Complete statistics and the playoff bracket are available on naqt.com.
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