TheBulgarSlayer wrote:Any ties in record at the end of this will be broken based upon who won the head to head match, if a circle of death happens, the two teams with the lowest PPB will play one another on a half packet, and the winner of that will play the team with the highest PPB on another half packet.
Horned Screamer wrote:Why not just write this set and actually run it as a real tournament in the fall and actually make money off of it?
Horned Screamer wrote:I mean, there is always a need for questions, and more importantly, Skype quizbowl tournaments are a horrible idea and the fetishization of video chatting in quizbowl needs to end. I think the Skype League Madden runs is a terrible idea, and don't want to see it spread any further, much less see people start diverting questions that could be used in real tournaments towards it to produce fresh sets. If Collin were to write some packets that got sent to a real editor and combined with the work of some other teams, that would be infinitely more productive for the quizbowl world than this idea.
DrCongo wrote:He's writing quiz bowl questions for other quiz bowlers to play and enjoy. There can't be anything wrong with that.
Horned Screamer wrote:The quizbowl community is very receptive to awful ideas time and time again. Just look at the Quiz Bowl facebook group, which currently consists of 90% high schoolers yelling "TINYCHAT" over and over and over.
You are making a lot of faulty assumptions though. Just because a set has tossups that are longer than 4 lines and uses ACF formatting doesn't make it good, despite what you think. There were lots of sets this year, but lots of them were awful or too hard and had no business being mirrored around the country, such as your beloved DAFT III, or the RM/TP set that was a mess at NIU, or BDAT. There weren't enough housewritten sets that were easy, truly good, and worthy of being mirrored elsewhere, and we need more of these next year, especially since right now I know of none of them happening in the fall and there are some sets that were good that aren't happening again. If we eliminated all the mirrors of bad sets and had a couple really good sets to offer in their place, that would be a whole lot better. Thus, you or someone like you submitting some packets to an event overseen by a very good editor would in fact be incredibly productive, far more than wasting the time to write an entire set for an incredibly limited audience of people who you know that want to be read questions on the internet.
Similarly, NAQT does in fact always need questions, and if you spent the time to write a bunch of middle school or college questions for them, that would still be more productive than this.
Also, like, open tournaments do exist in the summer, you know that, right? There isn't some dead zone where NASAT happens and then quizbowl dies until September. DCC hosted one last summer, even! There's no reason somebody couldn't host an actual face to face event on some uncleared high school set instead of this.
Skype being the location of actual competitions is terrible though, and I am very annoyed that this precedent of quizbowl online is being set. If you want to practice on an old set with some friends, uh, go nuts, but if you extend beyond that into the ridiculous Dave Madden territory of attempting to hold a competition on Skype, you either end up with his current situation of reading a bunch of old questions to players who have already heard them, which is patently worthless as a competition, or else you end up with your situation where you waste a phenomenal amount of time producing a set with incredibly limited utility. Just because some dumb high schoolers on the internet think it's kewl doesn't change that fact.
Horned Screamer wrote:You do realize you're talking to somebody who's been involved in the direction of 12 separate tournaments in this year alone, no?
TheBulgarSlayer wrote:Horned Screamer wrote:You do realize you're talking to somebody who's been involved in the direction of 12 separate tournaments in this year alone, no?
Well good for you. Seeing as you have done that many, this really shouldn't matter.
This is my tournament, I will use it as I like.
Tokyo Sex Whale wrote:There are tons of uncertainties with online quizbowl as it is to ever run a tournament on it. Also, no offense, but you have no writing and editing experience so there's no guarantee that a tournament written by you will be worth playing. What I suggest instead is to write however many questions you like and find some place to read it online to whoever wants to show up. You satisfy your question writing itch, you get to see your questions played, everyone gets to hear questions.
Horned Screamer wrote: but if you extend beyond that into the ridiculous Dave Madden territory of attempting to hold a competition on Skype, you either end up with his current situation of reading a bunch of old questions to players who have already heard them, which is patently worthless as a competition
nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:Horned Screamer wrote: but if you extend beyond that into the ridiculous Dave Madden territory of attempting to hold a competition on Skype, you either end up with his current situation of reading a bunch of old questions to players who have already heard them, which is patently worthless as a competition
If that's the case, then why did we fill up the field 6 times over for OSPL? Some people obviously see value in it, and I don't think for a nanosecond that most players in OSPL have heard/memorized even a tiny fraction of the questions we use. And if so, so what? Repetition is the key to knowledge.
As someone who does do more than 99.5% of people in quiz bowl, let me offer my $.02 here. Collin, I think this is a good idea in theory, but in practice, I'm not sure how many people you're going to get. If you get 80 people (and you may), then it probably has value. If you get, say 15-20, then it's not worth writing a whole set for them.
A while back, I posted about running summer tournament(s) at Ridgewood High School in NJ. Since my schedule is absolutely insane until June 15 or so, I need to hold off for now on details there. But potentially, there may be some interest in a mirror, set collaboration, etc.
Other than that, I volunteer at some point after HSNCT to help edit any non-science questions with whatever you come up with, and if you need readers, I should be able to help out. Anyway, good for you for showing initiative, and I (and likely other NHBB people) are happy to work with you to make this a valuable exercise worth playing. Just not for the next five weeks...
Jeremy Gibbs Paradox wrote:nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote:Horned Screamer wrote: but if you extend beyond that into the ridiculous Dave Madden territory of attempting to hold a competition on Skype, you either end up with his current situation of reading a bunch of old questions to players who have already heard them, which is patently worthless as a competition
If that's the case, then why did we fill up the field 6 times over for OSPL? Some people obviously see value in it, and I don't think for a nanosecond that most players in OSPL have heard/memorized even a tiny fraction of the questions we use. And if so, so what? Repetition is the key to knowledge.
As someone who does do more than 99.5% of people in quiz bowl, let me offer my $.02 here. Collin, I think this is a good idea in theory, but in practice, I'm not sure how many people you're going to get. If you get 80 people (and you may), then it probably has value. If you get, say 15-20, then it's not worth writing a whole set for them.
A while back, I posted about running summer tournament(s) at Ridgewood High School in NJ. Since my schedule is absolutely insane until June 15 or so, I need to hold off for now on details there. But potentially, there may be some interest in a mirror, set collaboration, etc.
Other than that, I volunteer at some point after HSNCT to help edit any non-science questions with whatever you come up with, and if you need readers, I should be able to help out. Anyway, good for you for showing initiative, and I (and likely other NHBB people) are happy to work with you to make this a valuable exercise worth playing. Just not for the next five weeks...
I cannot stress enough how funny I found this and hope you are soon scribing for Modern Family.
Horned Screamer wrote:or BDAT.
sbfromcopley wrote:I sent you a message but I forgot to include my skype username which is sbfromcopley. Also, how are you going to pick teams between the people who signed up alone? Is it going to be completely random or are you going to try to split up teams evenly based on what you know about each player.
dtaylor4 wrote:Two weeks out, what's the latest?
something ambiguous wrote:Yah so this isn't going to be happening, the set is still going to be available, however. I might see if I can get it polished enough to run as an actual tournament next season or try and do a skype-tournament some time in the fall.
Paula Pareto Optimality wrote:something ambiguous wrote:Yah so this isn't going to be happening, the set is still going to be available, however. I might see if I can get it polished enough to run as an actual tournament next season or try and do a skype-tournament some time in the fall.
Why is this not happening, and what is the set's completion percentage?
something ambiguous wrote:Paula Pareto Optimality wrote:something ambiguous wrote:Yah so this isn't going to be happening, the set is still going to be available, however. I might see if I can get it polished enough to run as an actual tournament next season or try and do a skype-tournament some time in the fall.
Why is this not happening, and what is the set's completion percentage?
The amount of people isn't enough to run this.
I stopped working on it and starting working on other things when I saw interest dried up, so it's like 50%ish done.
Paula Pareto Optimality wrote:something ambiguous wrote:Paula Pareto Optimality wrote:something ambiguous wrote:Yah so this isn't going to be happening, the set is still going to be available, however. I might see if I can get it polished enough to run as an actual tournament next season or try and do a skype-tournament some time in the fall.
Why is this not happening, and what is the set's completion percentage?
The amount of people isn't enough to run this.
I stopped working on it and starting working on other things when I saw interest dried up, so it's like 50%ish done.
You had twelve people sign up, including myself. I like your premise behind this. However, you probably expected way too much.
Who all even wrote on this effort? You said you were only writing "history and some of the social sciences". What do you realistically expect to be the usage of this set? Isn't DCCAT II supposed to be a fall event? I don't want to sound overly critical or annoying about this, but you have a set that you appear to be writing by yourself that is only halfway "ish" done the day before the event. And your school is hosting a housewrite supposedly in the fall. Why not put some of your questions to DCCAT where they can be edited and polished and actually played? Do you plan on completing this project?
something ambiguous wrote:Paula Pareto Optimality wrote:something ambiguous wrote:Paula Pareto Optimality wrote:something ambiguous wrote:Yah so this isn't going to be happening, the set is still going to be available, however. I might see if I can get it polished enough to run as an actual tournament next season or try and do a skype-tournament some time in the fall.
Why is this not happening, and what is the set's completion percentage?
The amount of people isn't enough to run this.
I stopped working on it and starting working on other things when I saw interest dried up, so it's like 50%ish done.
You had twelve people sign up, including myself. I like your premise behind this. However, you probably expected way too much.
Who all even wrote on this effort? You said you were only writing "history and some of the social sciences". What do you realistically expect to be the usage of this set? Isn't DCCAT II supposed to be a fall event? I don't want to sound overly critical or annoying about this, but you have a set that you appear to be writing by yourself that is only halfway "ish" done the day before the event. And your school is hosting a housewrite supposedly in the fall. Why not put some of your questions to DCCAT where they can be edited and polished and actually played? Do you plan on completing this project?
Questions are written by myself, Connor Teevens, and Ryan Dillon.
Yah, I was a little over excited, but in my defense, I had at least four people say they would make teams of four and sign up, and none of them actually did.
DCCAT and this is are completely independent. There isn't any question overlap. I'm not in charge of DCCAT, btw, in case anyone thinks so.
I would like to finish this and market it as a novice tournament, worst comes to worse, I wouldn't mind giving this out to people so they can use it as virginal practice material. I'll post more about it come fall.
EDIT: To answer your question, I though about doing that at one point. I decided not to as this tournament is a lot easier than DCCAT, so it made more sense (to me) to just write different questions for both.
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