Announcement: ACF Fall North at Minnesota, Sunday November 4

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Announcement: ACF Fall North at Minnesota, Sunday November 4

Post by theMoMA » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:12 pm

The University of Minnesota will be hosting the ACF Fall North region on Sunday, November 4th. NAQT is hosting a juniorbird tournament called Tartan Tussle at Macalester on Saturday the 3rd. We strongly encourage all interested teams from the Tartan Tussle to play ACF Fall, and there will be a discount for teams playing both tournaments.

Here's the fee chart:
Base fee: $110
Buzzer discount: -$5
Moderator discount: -$10 (up to 3 moderators)
Tartan Tussle discount: -$20
Minimum Fee: $60

Packet submission is required, as laid out here. Packet fee schedule:
Submitted by September 1: -$50
Submitted by September 15: -$20
Submitted by September 29: $0
Submitted by October 6 +$20
Submitted by October 20 +$50
No packet submitted by October 20: Dropped from tournament
Submit packets to ekwartler at gmail dot com

Registration will open at 10:00am in the Mississippi Room on the third floor of Coffman Memorial Union, located at 300 Washington Ave SE, Minneapolis MN 55455.

Please email ottox131 at umn dot edu or limozeen@gmail.com if you have any questions. We can help you out with hotel and transportation questions, financial issues, or anything else. We really want anyone who wants to play to be able to, so if there's a problem make sure to let us know so we can work with you to solve it.

And please let us know as soon as possible your commitment to attend our region's ACF Fall tournament by sending an email to ottox131 at umn dot edu. And get working on those packets!

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Post by theMoMA » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:13 pm

I know Drake is coming to this because they've submitted a packet. Who else is coming to this mirror?

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Post by evilmonkey » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:10 am

Notre Dame is sending a team
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:32 am

Wouldnt the UIUC site make more sense for Notre Dame?
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Post by dtaylor4 » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:42 am

IIRC, many of them are going to the ND/Navy game that Saturday.

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Post by Duke Togo » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:23 am

3D Lemmings, Location: Notre Dame wrote:Notre Dame is sending a team
DaGeneral wrote:IIRC, many of them are going to the ND/Navy game that Saturday.
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Post by evilmonkey » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:36 pm

Duke Togo wrote:
3D Lemmings, Location: Notre Dame wrote:Notre Dame is sending a team
DaGeneral wrote:IIRC, many of them are going to the ND/Navy game that Saturday.
...
What are you confused about, Duke? The game is on Saturday, the tournament is on Sunday.
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Post by cornfused » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:59 pm

Lawrence will send one team - we're playing the Tartan Tussle, too.

Mileage discounts? Yes? No? Appleton to Minneapolis is just under 300 miles...
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Post by JohnAndSlation » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:12 pm

You got one together? Do tell.
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Post by cornfused » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:12 am

I will later.


So who's coming so far?

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Post by theMoMA » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:44 am

Here's what I have so far:

3 Carleton
2+ Minnesota
Drake
Lawrence
Notre Dame
Mount Mercy

Still waiting to hear from a couple schools. Notably, Macalester and ISU might send teams. It's also possible that I forgot to mention some, in which case I'll update this later.

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Post by theMoMA » Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:18 pm

3 Carleton
2 Minnesota
Drake
Lawrence
Mount Mercy
Wayzata
Michael and Sam and friends

Three Carletons instead of four, and Notre Dame dropped. After a brief chance that Mac could come, they've now dropped. However, two high schools have entered the fold, and we'll have 11 teams.

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Post by OctagonJoe » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:32 am

I am not sure if Wayzata is going to attend, as Mitu hasn't contacted me about what's going on tomorrow morning and I'm guessing if we did attend it would just be Mitu and I. I really would like to attend, but if Mitu doesn't give me any confirmation I don't want to show up tomorrow without a team and play by myself again like at Titanomachy.
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Mike and Sam?

Post by robertjameson » Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:12 am

Who are Mike and Sam and friends? Mike Pitera and Sam Caldis? Because that would be awesome!
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:17 am

Somehow I doubt that considering there is a Mike and a Sam on Eden Prairie.
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Post by OctagonJoe » Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:52 am

I believe that would have been Michael Wright from Eden Prairie and Sam Peterson from Chaska, but now it's looking like it will be Michael, Igor from EP, (Mitu) and myself making up a team.
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Post by Strongside » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:40 am

I am assuming Andrew will post stats soon, but I figure I would provide a quick recap for people who are interested.

There were ten teams at this tournament. The tournament was won by Minnesota B (Rob Carson, Gautam Kandlikar, and Bernadette Spencer). The second place team was Drake (Brendan Byrne).

Third, fourth, and fifth place went to a high school team consisting of players from Eden Prairie and. Wayzata High Schools, Minnesota A, and Carleton A in some order that I don't know.

After the preliminary rounds there were four teams with a 7-2 record. After a playoff between the top 5 teams Minnesota B and Drake were in the championship game. Minnesota had a one game advantage because they had one fewer loss. Drake won the first game, and lost the second game.

The top scorer was Brendan Byrne and the number two scorer was Michael Wright. Other people in the top 8 in no order were Greg Peterson, Richard Leavelle, Andrew Bockover, Gautam Kandlikar, Rob Carson, and Andreas Stoehr.

This was a really fun tournament. I enjoyed playing 14 rounds and I definitely got my money's worth.
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Post by cornfused » Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:01 pm

bjb87 wrote:Other people in the top 8 in no order were Greg Peterson, Richard Leavelle, Andrew Bockover, Gautam Kandlikar, Rob Carson, and Andreas Stoehr.
I (Greg Peterson) was #3, Gautam and Rob were 5-6 respectively. I think Andreas was 7, but I'm not sure about the other two.

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Post by naturalistic phallacy » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:46 pm

It was a fun tournament, even if we had to play 14 matches well into the night. :lol:

You had to pay yourself, Brendan?
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Post by theMoMA » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:51 pm

Hey, I'd like to thank everyone for sticking around. I think Brendan got the results mostly right above, so I will post stats without further ado.

full stats (playoff forfeits were added for only the top three teams)

I'm pretty sure that one of the games between Drake and Minnesota 2 wasn't inputted...if that was the case, I will remedy that ASAP.
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Post by cornfused » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:13 pm

There's a few little mistakes - for instance, one of Emily Koenig's TUs actually belongs to Richard Wanerman... but the major mistake is...

Wasn't Mount Mercy at this tourney?

Otherwise, the stats are good.


Other than the choice of start time, an incredibly smoothly-run tourney. Thanks to Andrew et al.

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Post by cvdwightw » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:34 pm

Can someone please explain to me how Wayzata had more tossups, a higher bonus conversion, and more total points than Carleton in the same number of games, and yet finished with 13 less ppg than Carleton?

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Post by vandyhawk » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:47 pm

cvdwightw wrote:Can someone please explain to me how Wayzata had more tossups, a higher bonus conversion, and more total points than Carleton in the same number of games, and yet finished with 13 less ppg than Carleton?
I think the 42 negs would do it. Chris Ray would be proud.

Edit: they didn't have more total pts - just more bonus pts.

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Post by cvdwightw » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:56 pm

Okay, I figured it out. Carleton's Team Detail lists 10 games in which they scored 3035 points. Wayzata's Team Detail lists 12 games in which they scored 3485 points. So, are those games missing, or forfeit wins that didn't get added to the "team detail" page?

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Post by Gautam » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:57 pm

vandyhawk wrote:
cvdwightw wrote:Can someone please explain to me how Wayzata had more tossups, a higher bonus conversion, and more total points than Carleton in the same number of games, and yet finished with 13 less ppg than Carleton?
I think the 42 negs would do it. Chris Ray would be proud.

Edit: they didn't have more total pts - just more bonus pts.
Uh either way it doesn't add up. let us say every 2 negs effectively cancel 1 tossup. (i.e. -10 + 10 = 0)... then, Wayzata/EP hs team had 122- (42/2) = 101 Effective tossups. By similar logic, Carleton had 109 - (18/2) = 100 Effective tossups. So, negs aren't the cause?

I don't know what might be the cause. "human error"? :wink:
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Post by Strongside » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:26 pm

Carleton A left before the tournament was over, and I believe they played ten games and were 7-3 when they left. They therefore forfeited their last two games, but since they forfeited the games they did not accumulate any stats for those games.

Mount Mercy was at the tournament but left after three or four rounds. After they left I believe they were essentially removed from the tournament stats and teams that were supposed to play them had a bye. I played them in the second round and won, but that game did not end up counting. I feel that Andrew did the best thing by just erasing all the games they had played, because it would be unfair for some teams not to play them because they wouldn't have the chance to accumulate stats.

I believe that both Drake and Minnesota 2 beat Carleton in the playoffs by default because Carleton left. If those games count as wins then the final standings should have Minnesota 2 with an 11-3 record and Drake with a 10-4 record. One of the championship rounds was not inputted and Andrew said he would fix that when he gets a chance. Drake beat Minnesota 2 340-200 that round, but it doesn't affect who won the tournament or the rank of the teams at the tournament.
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Post by STPickrell » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:37 pm

bjb87 wrote:Mount Mercy was at the tournament but left after three or four rounds.
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Post by Captain Sinico » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:55 pm

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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:07 pm

I would love to know if they played the team of high schoolers.
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Post by Strongside » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:16 pm

Deesy Does It wrote:I would love to know if they played the team of high schoolers.
It says on the schedule that Mount Mercy was scheduled to play the high school team in round four and they left after round three of four, so I don't know if they played the high school team. I don't know why Mount Mercy left, but hopefully the tournament didn't turn them against quiz bowl.

Also, that was a pretty good high school team as evidenced by the fact they averaged over 20 points per bonus and nearly 300 points per game.
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Post by theMoMA » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:47 pm

Forfeits screwed up the PPG for some reason, so I manually added them by editing the html standings file to make the results shake out right. Once I get that missing Drake/Minnesota game (assuming it matters enough to people), I'll update the standings further.

And sorry for the late start time. Unfortunately, the building at which we host our tournaments doesn't open until 10:00 on Sunday mornings, and because we wanted to give teams who played in Tartan Tussle the ability to play Fall, we hosted on Sunday.

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