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TTGT 11 Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:17 am
by mcalmvp
I assume all mirrors are done? If not..I'll sit idly and wait for them to be done.

Though I do want to say that I seriously loved the Harry Potter packets. Unfortunately, it also wasn't hard enough for the "experts" (you know..the Pottermaniacs..like myself). I mean at least on the west coast..all the Pottermaniacs corralled into the rooms with the Potter packets...with at least 1/2 of the questions powered on the West Coast mirror. Again..I loved the packet, even if I did wish for a lil more difficulty.

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:29 am
by btressler
My personal best on the day was the "water, water, everywhere" packet, so I'll thank the author(s) of that one.

The Harry Potter packet was the easiest of the day by far. I think more powers were scored in that round than all of the other academic rounds I played combined. Most bonuses were 30ed, causing some match scores to total more than 800.

On the other end of the scale, I would put the Biology and Geography packets. We appreciated the subjects, but did they have to be that hard?

I'd never thought I'd see the day that I appreciated having three lit rounds.

On balance, I thought this was a really neat tournament, and I hope that there will be a Mid-Atlantic mirror again next year. If somebody can promise there will be, one packet for it will get written next summer (when I have the most time to do so).

Re: TTGT 11 Discussion

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:13 am
by Leo Wolpert
mcalmvp wrote:Though I do want to say that I seriously loved the Harry Potter packets. Unfortunately, it also wasn't hard enough for the "experts" (you know..the Pottermaniacs..like myself). I mean at least on the west coast..all the Pottermaniacs corralled into the rooms with the Potter packets...with at least 1/2 of the questions powered on the West Coast mirror. Again..I loved the packet, even if I did wish for a lil more difficulty.
It must be impossible to make a packet on something like Harry Potter difficult enough to satisfy hardcore obsessive fans (i.e. just about everyone who would even consider playing said packet) while making it accessible to others. I defy someone to write a poker theme packet that I wouldn't put up 500+ points on, for example.

I suppose that's a gripe with themed packets in general when the themes aren't super broad ("American Lit" is broad; "this one really popular series of novels" is not).

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:05 am
by Mike Bentley
Yeah, the Harry Potter packet should have had at least a few harder questions and probably some harder parts of the bonuses. I think the big problem there was that the editors weren't really Harry Potter fans so it would have been too hard to change.

In regard to having 3 lit (and a Harry Potter packet), I would have preferred not to have that many at our tournament, but we made the decision to use the better packets rather than the weaker packets that would have made the distribution more even.

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:07 am
by walter12
We did as much as we could editing the Harry Potter packet. But, as you said, it's nigh impossible to come up with lead-ins that eight people (most of whom have read the book multiple times) would fail to immediately recognize.

A single possible exception was the tossup on Oliver Wood, whose lead-in was: "During a lull in the Battle of Hogwarts, this person along with Neville Longbottom carries the corpses of Colin Creevey and others into the Great Hall."

I seriously hope that the extreme ease of the questions didn't detract from anyone's enjoyment of the round.

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:53 pm
by mcalmvp
walter12 wrote:We did as much as we could editing the Harry Potter packet. But, as you said, it's nigh impossible to come up with lead-ins that eight people (most of whom have read the book multiple times) would fail to immediately recognize.

A single possible exception was the tossup on Oliver Wood, whose lead-in was: "During a lull in the Battle of Hogwarts, this person along with Neville Longbottom carries the corpses of Colin Creevey and others into the Great Hall."

I seriously hope that the extreme ease of the questions didn't detract from anyone's enjoyment of the round.
heh..a question which would actually powered in one room on the West Coast (and the person actually buzzed in knowing only the lead in). Granted, yes the Oliver Wood question was probably the hardest tossup in that packet.

I did also like the Law and Border packet..however I thought there was a bit too much on Russia and not enough on Mexico. (and if we're stretching the 'border' side of the packet to include Russia...I wonder why there were no questions on Cuba or the Bahamas)

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:14 pm
by Mike Bentley
Russia was included in that packet to make it more accessible. Canada, Russia and Meixco each had 3/3 questions in the packet, although Mexico may have seemed like less because a few of the questions sort of bordered on US history (like Gadsden Purchase). I probably could have included Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Phillipines and some other stuff, but it was mostly a case of me not thinking about going in that direction when writing the packet.

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:10 pm
by Bigfoot isn't the pr
I would like to personally thank Mike (and anyone else who contributed) for the Pokemon round (atleast, I think he said he wrote it). It was a very enjoyable round for me despite my team loosing. I would also like a link to the podcast site (once that round is up, that is). Even though I haven't played the 3rd/4th generation games I did find it accessible for anyone who once enjoyed it.

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:27 pm
by Auks Ran Ova
I would like to personally thank Mike (and anyone else who contributed) for the Pokemon round (atleast, I think he said he wrote it). It was a very enjoyable round for me despite my team loosing. I would also like a link to the podcast site (once that round is up, that is). Even though I haven't played the 3rd/4th generation games I did find it accessible for anyone who once enjoyed it.
Quentin Roper (formerly of Drake) wrote the Pokemon round; I helped with playtesting and some minor editing.

Edit: I have since learned that apparently Maryland wrote a Pokemon packet too.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:10 am
by walter12
We actually received two different Pokemon packets for the tournament. The version that appeared this weekend drew from both Quentin's packet and a packet written by Mike & Jeremy Eaton.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:18 am
by ecks
First off, I'd like to say that I really enjoyed the packets overall. The questions were well-written and fun to play on. I had the most fun I've ever had on a quizbowl packet on the Boards & Games packet, so special kudos to the St. Olaf/Mac alums who wrote that packet.

My only gripes are with the distribution of some (2) packets. The Movies/Videogames packet seemed to emphasize console games over computer games, rather than having a more balanced distro between the two. It wasn't as ...well, surprising, as the "Psych" packet, which really would have better named "Biopysch". I was surprised that even run-of-the-mill psychology topics weren't touched (William James, Stanford Prison Experiment, Walden II, operant conditioning, etc.), especially with tossups like "hunger" and "aorta" that have tenuous connections at best to either psychology or neuroscience. I can't remember how many questions were relating directly to brain physiology, but it seemed to make up the majority of the packet.

Other than the distros of those two packets, I don't have any problems with the packets. They had all obviously been edited by thoroughly competent editors, which is certainly always appreciated.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:00 am
by geekjohnson
hey, is there anyway that I might get a look at the set? princeps.caesar@gmail.com

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:38 am
by DakarKra
geekjohnson wrote:hey, is there anyway that I might get a look at the set? princeps.caesar@gmail.com
I too like free packets. dakarkra [at] yahoo [dot] com.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:41 am
by Sima Guang Hater
ecks wrote:My only gripes are with the distribution of some (2) packets. The Movies/Videogames packet seemed to emphasize console games over computer games, rather than having a more balanced distro between the two.
Yeah, sorry about that. It was originally going to be an all video games packet with 10/10 console and 10/10 PC, but then I ran out of time and Mike Bentley [correctly and wisely] decided to fuse it with Chris Ray's movie packet.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:25 am
by Mike Bentley
Yeah, I would have changed a few things about the videogame packet (some of the bonuses were too difficult, and there was the obvious distribution problem between consoles and PC games), but it was sort of a last minute thing and there were other packets that needed more work.

Re: TTGT 11 Discussion

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:29 pm
by QuizbowlPostmodernist
Leo Wolpert wrote: I defy someone to write a poker theme packet that I wouldn't put up 500+ points on, for example.
There's chance of it happening for TRASHionals. (If it happens, I plan on giving away the worst poker-related book I ever had the misfortune to buy as a "prize".) Actually, I was thinking of something like an 80-or-so tossup round to be played on by 8-10 people as a giant singles match, since most theme packets there seem to devolve into read the tossups first then the bonuses. How many tossups would you expect to answer on something like that?

As for Harry Potter theme rounds, the more difficult clues would be extra-textual ones, such as suggestions that Gilderoy Lockhart was based on Philip Pullman or slash fiction writers being outraged because the last book throughly heterosexualized Remus Lupin and closed off possibilities for their silly fan fic efforts.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:46 pm
by cvdwightw
ecks wrote:It wasn't as ...well, surprising, as the "Psych" packet, which really would have better named "Biopysch". I was surprised that even run-of-the-mill psychology topics weren't touched (William James, Stanford Prison Experiment, Walden II, operant conditioning, etc.), especially with tossups like "hunger" and "aorta" that have tenuous connections at best to either psychology or neuroscience. I can't remember how many questions were relating directly to brain physiology, but it seemed to make up the majority of the packet.
Um, yeah, sorry about the misrepresentation of the packet. Essentially, it was intended to be a neuroscience packet, and then I realized I couldn't feasibly do 20/20 neuroscience without (a) making it even more difficult than it already was and (b) focusing even more on brain physiology. So I slowly moved into biopsych, and then when I got hard-pressed for stuff went into straight psych (By my characterizations, I think there was something like 11/8 "pure" neuroscience, 4/5 "pure" psychology, and 6/8 combo/biopsych out of the 21/21). Also the tossup on "aorta" was actually a tossup on arteries of the brain where the aorta clue must have gotten thrown in to make it easier. FWIW, about 80% of the clues came from 1 neuroscience, 1 neuroanatomy, 1 psychology, and 1 biopsychology book (I used a couple of other books in small doses) because that's what I had when I was writing it, so given that it was about equal distribution between the books that's where the probable distribution problem came.

Theme Packets in General

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:40 pm
by Phil Castagna
For years, I skipped the theme packet Saturday night at TRASHionals, even if there were packets on subjects I liked, because without the "built-in" idea of losing to keep people from negging all the time, they were no fun to play.

When I did play, there were usually six words read before someone would buzz in and 1)give a correct answer and say the question was too easy, 2) give a wrong answer, and start arguing with the moderator/author over question structure, or start using the kitchen sink approach, or 3) (my favorite) buzz in after 6 words and start with "omygod, omygod, it's from that episode entitled "Stonecutters Ferengi Rodenberry Groening MST3K Cigarette-Smoking Man Hellmuth Dumbledore", but I can't remember the guy's name........."

Maybe Anthony is onto something with a tossup-only format with each person playing for himself/herself, to prevent the "crop duster", "Quick-Draw McGraw" syndrome...

Re: Theme Packets in General

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:58 pm
by Bigfoot isn't the pr
Phil Castagna wrote: Maybe Anthony is onto something with a tossup-only format with each person playing for himself/herself, to prevent the "crop duster", "Quick-Draw McGraw" syndrome...
I firmly support this idea. While I did enjoy the themed rounds I did play, I do think they would have been better with some structure/reason to actually win.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:16 pm
by ieppler
May I have the packets, as well? ian AT eppfam.com

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:51 pm
by powellmaniac
I just want to say that I seriously loved the Dance to the Music of Time packet. Unfortunately, it wasn’t hard enough for the “expertsâ€

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:14 pm
by Jeremy Gibbs Lemma
Any thoughts on the World Lit and/or the Indie/Emo/Alt packets ?

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:40 pm
by Bigfoot isn't the pr
Kent B wrote:Any thoughts on the World Lit and/or the Indie/Emo/Alt packets ?
Didn't play World Lit, but I think the Indie/Emo/Alt packet was nicely put together. It had bands I have on my ipod and ones I've never heard of. I didn't score during the round, but then again I am not a big fan of the aforementioned genres. I thought it was pretty fair as far as accessibility goes.

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:42 pm
by Quantum Mushroom Billiard Hat
I greatly enjoyed the questions in the world lit packet. I knew a lot of the answers, which means that the answer selection was very reasonable. However, we didn't really get to play an actual game on it, since the opposing team did not include anyone interested in the subject. I'm not sure if the player who didn't fit in the other room even buzzed.

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:50 am
by BobGHHS
I too would like to see the packets: TheAmazingBobbo <at> aol <dot> com.

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:28 pm
by walter12
I've sent out a free copy of the question set to all those who requested it above. If anyone else is interested, I plan to submit the entire set to the Stanford Archive by the end of the week.

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:53 pm
by ihavenoidea
Could you please send a copy to wonderworm10k@gmail.com? I would like to see how my high school team would do on this harry potter packet

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:29 am
by Magister Ludi
Could someone please email me the set at tedgioia[at]starpower[dot]net

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:14 am
by BuzzerZen
If only there were a repository where quiz bowl questions could be collected for posterity, and from which interested parties could download the questions...an archive, if you will.

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:10 am
by ecks
walter12 wrote:If anyone else is interested, I plan to submit the entire set to the Stanford Archive by the end of the week.
BuzzerZen wrote:If only there were a repository where quiz bowl questions could be collected for posterity, and from which interested parties could download the questions...an archive, if you will.
If only...

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:09 am
by First Chairman
Archive??? We don't need no stinkin' archive...

I do want to see the packets too if it can be sent to me. e t c h u c k yahoo!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:38 pm
by cornfused
Me too. cornfusedATcomcastDAUGHTnet.

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:51 pm
by Mike Bentley
http://www.doc-ent.com/qbc/TTGT11.zip - no more e-mails needed

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:30 pm
by cornfused
Sueet.

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:37 pm
by wd4gdz
Magin wrote:17. Answer the following about a genre of colonial literature, FTPE:
[10] Cotton Mather’s Good Fetch’d Out of Evil and Humiliations Followed With Deliverances are examples of this genre, in which a lone figure, usually a woman, is abducted from colonial society into a life of bondage among Native Americans.
ANSWER: Indian captivity narratives
I have a new favorite genre of colonial literature

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:04 pm
by swwFCqb
Nudity on the Big Screen (movie theme packet)
This solidifies my opinion that college quizbowl is so much sweeter than high school quizbowl :grin:

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:55 pm
by Auks Ran Ova
Actually, that packet sounded like it was written by a giggling twelve-year-old. Note the eighty-seven uses of the word "bush".

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:25 am
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
My hypothesis is that the author had just watched Knocked Up.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:30 am
by Jeremy Gibbs Lemma
wow ... the whole concept for that packet is pretty ridiculous

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:47 am
by Bigfoot isn't the pr
It was a very polarizing packet to say the least. On my team two players did all the scoring while the others did none (and we are normally a balanced team).

I'd like to protest the lack of male nudity. That seems a lot easier to memorize (due to a general lack-there-of).

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:08 am
by Gautam
So I looked through some of the theme packets, and I felt it necessary to address the issue of answer choice/transparency/variety in some of the packets. First of all, I didn't play at the tournament, but I heard most of these questions in practices recently, so I was more carefree when playing. So, my analysis may be skewed that way. Also, I only looked at tossup (I haven't even seen the bonuses) so those can be considered later some time. I don't intend to pick on individuals who wrote these questions. It can be a difficult job writing Qs, let alone entire packets, but some simple measures can be put into What I want to say is summarized up at the end.

Anyway, Let's look at the tossups from the "water water" packet.
ANSWER: Waterboarding
Power clue: Its use dates back to the Spanish Inquisition, where it was known as toca, while a Washington Post photograph led to the court martial of an American soldier who performed it during the Vietnam War. CIA officers who have undergone this as part of their training last an average of 14 seconds
Comment: Hey, a torture technique, which has something to do with water. Buzz Buzz?
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ANSWER: River Styx
Power Clue: According to Dante's Inferno, it is the destination for the wrathful and sullen as they enter the 5th circle of hell.
Comment: The first four words narrow the answer space down to like 4 options. It could have used better leadins, I guess.
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ANSWER: Water intoxication
Power clue: Sports drinks are used to reduce the risk of this condition in endurance athletes, who are somewhat ironically at risk as well as those suffering from diarrhea or vomiting. Hyponatremia is often a cause for this, where sodium becomes (*) overdiluted in the bloodstream
Comment: Umm, yeah. Is it possible to write a tossup on water intoxication with obscure biology leadins? I mean, it's really obvious from the first phrase where the question is headed.
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ANSWER: Hurricane Rita
Entire Tossup: Though its effects were far milder than anticipated, there were concerns that it would cause up to 5 inches of rain in New Orleans as well as storm surges in Houston and Galveston. During evacuation, many people died as a result of overheating while packed in their cars. Eventually making landfall at the Texas-Louisiana border, it had dropped to category 3 by that time with 115 mph winds. For ten points, the fourth-most intense hurricane in Atlantic history was what 2005 storm that made landfall on September 24, just weeks after hurricane Katrina?
Comment: Yea.... it's either Rita or Katrina from the New Orleans clue, and induces unnecessary buzzer race at the Sept. 24 clue. Also, of what use is any clue in the question, because none of it uniquely identifies Rita, does it?
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Other ones I didn't like for similar reasons: the ones on Hydrogen bonding, acid rain, and heavy water. The science answers in this packet could have been, let's say, xylem, amphoteric, surface tension, and oxbow lakes (or anything that is more SCIENCE)
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Moving on to the packet on Dogs.
ANSWER: Argos/Argus
Power clue: One character by this name was a son of Zeus and Niobe who succeeded Apis as king of Phoronea. Another had the labors of freeing Arcadia and killing Satyr, while a third is seen "lying neglected on the heaps of mule and cow dung" (*) and could not get up to greet those entering.
Comment: Greek myth + dog = Argos/Argus. Are there really more dogs that are tossupable?
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ANSWER: Michael Vick
Power Clue:A plaintiff who had previously sued Skittles Candy and the Magna Carta also sued this man for sixty three quintillion dollars for hurting the plaintiff's feelings. In October 2007 the Royal Bank of Canada sued him for $2.3 million to prevent real estate defaults, and an Indiana bank sought repayment of loans for rental cars. In 2005, Sonya Elliot sued him, claiming he (*)gave her genital herpes
Comment: Ok, dogs + current events + man who is being sued for multiple hilarious things. I just can't think of any reason why people wouldn't buzz off these clues.
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ANSWER: pH
Tossup: . One version of it, denoted SWS, focuses on fluorine, while a total version of it uses solutions with low strength. IUPAC uses, as a reference point, an aqueous solution of potassium hydrogen penthalate at a molality of 0.05, and then defines it in terms of the Faraday constant, molar gas constant, and the natural log. It was proposed after work at Carlsberg Laboratory via studies into the effect of ion concentration on proteins, and in the original paper this "ion exponent" was denoted with a subscript by its developer S. P. L . Sorenson. In their blood, dogs maintain a value for this between 7.32 and 7.42. For 10 points, name this scale that measures acidity.
Comment: Wtf. I don't really see why pH is being tossuped here. It could have been a doggy biology tossup and it would have been much better.
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Other tossups I didn't really like: the ones on Dogberry and Dogs playing poker. The latter narrows down to series of paintings with dogs in it pretty quickly; it could have been about Venus of Urbino or Burial at Ornans or Arnolfini Wedding or some other paintings which have dogs in them. The former is just a lame tossup on minor character in a shakespearean work.
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Other minor issues

Packet on California: Most of the answer choices and tossups were good. However, the one on Governor of California seems like a lame answer choice, especially considering the theme of the packet is Cali/SD. If it isn't the mayor of SD or like Governor/Senator/Rep. from Cali, then it's plain ridiculous. Also, what is up with 2/0 whale's vagina distribution albeit they're questions 21 and 22 respectively?

But yeah, I really like the way in which the theme was implemented in this packet.

Packet on British things: The science Qs in this packet were weird, in retrospect. I mean 4 things on "[things named after] famous scientists" is just too much. There also seems to be a disproportionate number of History TUs on things from the 1500s and 1600s, such as: Francis Bacon, Anne Boleyn, and Cavaliers.

Packet on German things: Has too little science (2 tossups), and too much of composers (3 tossups) and History (6 tossups).
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So yeah, what I guess I am saying is, if you are writing a theme packet, first make sure the answer you have chosen isn't a really unique answer in that category. Nobody likes buzzer races and tossups which boil down to two answers in the first line (haha, get it?). It's ok if some of your answer choices only address the theme in only a cursory manner. It makes the editor's job a hell of a lot easier, and it's not like the people playing on the Qs are going to dislike you for writing a better tossup. It is also important that the answer choice be varied with respect to time and place and style of choice (person, concept, group, event, etc.). If you aren't able to write about a particular subject (history or science or whatever) then I think you really should ask for help from someone who won't be playing. I don't think it's wise to leave it to the editors, especially when they have to deal with 25 different packets.

I like the concept of theme packets, and it seems enjoyable to play them if implemented well, but it also seems that considerable thought needs to be applied to ensure a quality packet. Again, I don't mean to point people out and call them terrible people, but I do request you to, consider the points from the previous paragraph the next time you write a packet. Maybe I will submit a theme packet to TTGT11 next year.

If I was exaggerating any topic in this post, I apologize in advance. I really don't know why I stayed up late thinking about this, but it seemed interesting.

--Gautam

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:35 am
by naturalistic phallacy
gkandlikar wrote:
ANSWER: Water intoxication
Power clue: Sports drinks are used to reduce the risk of this condition in endurance athletes, who are somewhat ironically at risk as well as those suffering from diarrhea or vomiting. Hyponatremia is often a cause for this, where sodium becomes (*) overdiluted in the bloodstream
Comment: Umm, yeah. Is it possible to write a tossup on water intoxication with obscure biology leadins? I mean, it's really obvious from the first phrase where the question is headed.
Why not just write a tossup about hyponatremia? Water intoxication isn't exactly a condition that doesn't have an underlying cause.
gkandlikar wrote:
ANSWER: Hurricane Rita
Entire Tossup: Though its effects were far milder than anticipated, there were concerns that it would cause up to 5 inches of rain in New Orleans as well as storm surges in Houston and Galveston. During evacuation, many people died as a result of overheating while packed in their cars. Eventually making landfall at the Texas-Louisiana border, it had dropped to category 3 by that time with 115 mph winds. For ten points, the fourth-most intense hurricane in Atlantic history was what 2005 storm that made landfall on September 24, just weeks after hurricane Katrina?
Comment: Yea.... it's either Rita or Katrina from the New Orleans clue, and induces unnecessary buzzer race at the Sept. 24 clue. Also, of what use is any clue in the question, because none of it uniquely identifies Rita, does it?
Agreed. Nobody memorizes specific effects of natural disasters such as the exact amount of rainfall that occurred. And, really, Katrina was as worse as expected, so it's getable after the mention of New Orleans.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:00 am
by cornfused
gkandlikar wrote:Also, what is up with 2/0 whale's vagina distribution albeit they're questions 21 and 22 respectively?
I have to admit: I've never heard the term "whale's vagina" used as slang for a bad question before... so I looked at the packet in question. And... um... wow.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:42 am
by Auks Ran Ova
Okay, so it's an Anchorman joke...but why are there two of them?

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:01 am
by mcalmvp
gkandlikar wrote:
Other minor issues

Packet on California: Most of the answer choices and tossups were good. However, the one on Governor of California seems like a lame answer choice, especially considering the theme of the packet is Cali/SD. If it isn't the mayor of SD or like Governor/Senator/Rep. from Cali, then it's plain ridiculous. Also, what is up with 2/0 whale's vagina distribution albeit they're questions 21 and 22 respectively?

But yeah, I really like the way in which the theme was implemented in this packet.
--Gautam
As the writer of that packet I would like to say none of the questions about Anchorman were by me (and there were 3 of them). They were solely the creation of the editor (when I saw the packet I was, to say, a bit disappointed in that). Much of my packet was edited well though, adding some good science (as Im well..naturally not very good at that) as well as adding some decent art (decent relative to the theme considering well...the San Diego Museum of Art just isn't a very good art museum).

I also didn't like the total rewrite of my Colorado tossup (mainly because it totally took out all references to San Diego), however that's a minor quibble.

BTW..in my original packet the original extra tossups were on McDonald's and Scott Peterson. Is it really better than 2 extra questions on "whale's vagina"? I think so..but I guess it's debatable.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:32 am
by The Time Keeper
mcalmvp wrote:
BTW..in my original packet the original extra tossups were on McDonald's and Scott Peterson. Is it really better than 2 extra questions on "whale's vagina"? I don't think so..but I guess it's debatable.
Here's a list of things better than tossups on whale vaginas:

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:22 am
by Gautam
oh noes. I have to decipher the invisible ink now :razz:

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:47 am
by mcalmvp
haha..my reply was supposed to say "I think so" (in response to my other 2 questions that got editted out for 2 whale's vagina questions). So ya..I agree with ya. But I suppose the editor saw fit to ax McDonald's and Scott Peterson (which are also pretty damn trashy)...oh well. Thank God we never had to read those questions at least on the west coast!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:55 am
by dtaylor4
gkandlikar wrote:
ANSWER: Argos/Argus
Power clue: One character by this name was a son of Zeus and Niobe who succeeded Apis as king of Phoronea. Another had the labors of freeing Arcadia and killing Satyr, while a third is seen "lying neglected on the heaps of mule and cow dung" (*) and could not get up to greet those entering.
Comment: Greek myth + dog = Argos/Argus. Are there really more dogs that are tossupable?
There is this dog that has three heads that resides in the underworld. If they wanted to go more obscure, they could have used Orthus, the dog that guarded the cattle of Geryon and a brother of Cerberus.

EDIT: Also, Argus should not be acceptable, as he is a completely different figure.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:36 am
by Mike Bentley
The Whale's Vagina thing was a joke by Charles. That's why they're extra tossups. I mean, having 3/0 Anchorman in the packet is a little ridiculous, but almost every team sees 1/0.

We were well aware of the problems in the Water Packet, which is why we did not use that packet (except as a replacement) at the Maryland site. If we had more time I would have definitely edited many of the troublesome tossups in that one.

I don't have too much of an issue with the pH tossup. Arnolfini Wedding or something would probably be better for Dogs Playing Poker, but I had some more glaring problems to fix than that tossup. Overall I thought that packet was one of the better of the theme packets in the tournament.

The British history packet was not edited for the most part.

Germany did have a weird distribution. Again, it was an issue of, "well, this is a decent packet, there are more important things to work on". Due to needing at least 22 packets to play in this tournament meant that things like that happened a good bit.