New England Discussion '17-'18

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New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby raginbulls » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:49 pm

In this thread, discuss New England teams and players for the 2017-2018 season. Feel free to discuss predictions for upcoming tournaments as well.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby circador » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:46 am

I believe Team Vincent will find moderate success at the upcoming tournament. If he wants to perform well in the prelims, he will have to get a good night's sleep and a healthy, nutritious breakfast. I would also recommend eating a protein-packed, carbohydrate-rich lunch to fuel the afternoon games.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:19 pm

I will try my hand at some sort of discussion post after PAWT (to get a more accurate gauge of other teams), but for now, I think it is safe to say that despite the loss of some very important players, MA quizbowl is still thriving. I'm excited to see how things go from here (particularly as somebody who, compared to many of the players here, is comparatively new to quizbowl).
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby raginbulls » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:51 pm

With PAWT just under a week away, I would like to say that I am very excited about the tournament. It should be a great opportunity for some of the newer teams to get a feel for the game while also being competitive for the more experienced teams. In terms of predictions, I don't know if there is clear favorite to win. Personally, I feel that games in the upper bracket are always close, with teams frequently trading off wins and losses with one another. I look forward to what should be an exciting day of quiz bowl.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby Ozymandias314 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:28 pm

circador wrote:I believe Team Vincent will find moderate success at the upcoming tournament. If he wants to perform well in the prelims, he will have to get a good night's sleep and a healthy, nutritious breakfast. I would also recommend eating a protein-packed, carbohydrate-rich lunch to fuel the afternoon games.


Wow it's interesting how you refer to "Team Vincent" as a "he", almost as if its a solo team. In my personal opinion, team Vincent will perform less well than he expects to, and possibly end up tanking the prelims for stat padding in the middle bracket.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:19 pm

I think Team Vincent needs to believe in himself. The key to success is self-love and belief in oneself. Team Vincent needs to rid himself of the attitude of "I will not do well and that is because I am bad" and adopt the attitude of "Hey! I can be good if I believe in myself a little bit more than I do now!" I believe in Team Vincent because I think that Team Vincent can do whatever he sets his heart on. Go Team Vincent! I think Team Vincent is the favorite to win the Philips Academy Winter Tournament.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:37 pm

Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov wrote:I think Team Vincent needs to believe in himself. The key to success is self-love and belief in oneself. Team Vincent needs to rid himself of the attitude of "I will not do well and that is because I am bad" and adopt the attitude of "Hey! I can be good if I believe in myself a little bit more than I do now!" I believe in Team Vincent because I think that Team Vincent can do whatever he sets his heart on. Go Team Vincent! I think Team Vincent is the favorite to win the Philips Academy Winter Tournament.


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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby RicardoDA » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:13 pm

Sadly, despite his valiant efforts, Team Vincent's own predictions came true, and he did not prevail at PAWT. He did, however, neg 8 times in one round in playoffs. Perhaps he would benefit from the positive self-talk Nick suggested, and maybe he will redeem himself at LIIIMIT?
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:43 am

Aight, since I'm not doing any work in my Econ class right now, here’s my aforementioned attempt at a discussion post about teams. This is not really in any particular order, and I did not include teams I haven’t played against. I also did not include non-MA teams because I don’t know much about them, but I would like to give a shoutout to Hanover for their outstanding performance at PAWT!

Lexington: Lex A is yet again the team to beat this year, with victories at MIT Fall and PAWT. Despite the loss of a certain MA quizbowl god, their remaining team members (led by Nick) are continuing to improve and dominate. Lex runs into a little more difficulty when playing without Nick, but the remarkable skill of the other members still buoys the team and ensures consistent success.

Acton-Boxborough: A-B's core trio of Sky, Prat, and Caleb has perhaps some of the strongest synergy in the entire circuit, and when playing together, they are incredibly formidable due to the sheer breadth of coverage. However, A-B sometimes splits their A-team among their other teams, so their tournament performance can be variable at times.

Phillips Academy: Phillips has had an impressive showing this year (including a victory at CMFT), and they have many skilled players in their roster. From what I have seen, they are one of the most balanced teams (so much so that it’s difficult for me to praise any specific person), so their performance is consistently great (even pulling an upset against Lex A at MIT Fall), even if their roster appears to fluctuate pretty often.

Andover: Andover, headed up by the formidable duo of Frank and Neil, has had some very strong showings at tournaments, including taking second place at MIT Fall and third place at PAWT. Even more impressive is the fact that, from what I’ve heard, they’re a comparatively new team. Overall, they are certainly a force to be reckoned with, and matches against them have aways been very close, intense, and down to the wire.

Belmont: I would say that we're a bit of an odd team. With me officially joining the team this year as a fine arts specialist, our coverage has become quite vast, and as such, we have pulled upsets against teams like Andover, AMSA A, and a Nick Rommel-led Lex C. While our performance can be quite variable and we have yet to securely crack the upper echelons of the circuit, we are certainly on an upward trajectory.

AMSA: AMSA is very formidable when playing with their top scorer Abhiram (apparently taking 1st place at Plymouth), but without him, they run into a little bit of trouble. While the other team members are all very strong and capable, it is understandably difficult for them to take on teams that they can normally beat with Abhiram without him. However, this is not to say that they are not an outstanding team, as matches with them still tend to be challenging and close.

Hingham: Last year, Hingham had an incredibly strong season, but lost their entire A team, and as such, is currently rebuilding. However, while they have not been achieving at the same excellent level as their team did last year, they are certainly on the up-and-up. I have no doubt that they will regain their momentum in the near future.

Boston Latin: PAWT was the first time that I ever played them, so my knowledge of BLS is a little sparse. They certainly have a lot of potential, but their performance seems to be a little variable at times (to their credit, they managed to do fairly well in the top bracket at PAWT). With time, I think they will definitely reach their full potential and excel.

Quiz Show teams that have not come to a quiz bowl tournament this year: Obviously, they were at least good enough at trivia to make it onto HSQS, so I would assume that they would perform at least somewhat well at a quiz bowl tournament. Some of these teams, like Newton North and Brookline, have had some very strong years in the past, so if they were to get involved in the circuit again this year, they could potentially do some damage.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby troyharris » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:41 pm

Thanks for doing this. Being that this is a New England thread, it would be hard to talk about New England powers without including New Hampshire at this point. Hanover has been fantastic in their past 3 events, showing strongly at Harvard and then making the finals at both PHAT and PAWT. They are very well-coached and have tremendous balance, as witnessed by their individual scoring at Phillips. Plymouth Regional also needs to be in the discussion. They finished 12th at SSNCT last year, including a huge win over SSNCT power Russell, KY. They were one sudden-death toss-up loss to Bard A away from the championship bracket at Yale Fall, made the championship bracket at Harvard fall, which included carrying a lead into the second half against national power Hoover, hanging tough with Lehigh Valley, and almost pulling off an upset over Trinity in the last match of the day. They finished second to AMSA at Plymouth (with Abirham), and beat both AMSA and Phillips in the prelims, and they won PHAT, New England's largest tournament, finally getting over the hump of beating a very deep and talented Essex team, following that up by nipping Hanover in the finals. Sophomore Rhys Harris has been high scorer in four of the last five events, dating back to Brainbusters Spring (Prison Bowl) last year (including Yale Fall combined this year), and has been over 100 pp20tuh in each event outside of Harvard Fall, where he finished in the top 10. Both Hanover and Plymouth have seen their bonus points average steadily rise over throughout the year, and both teams will continue to be formidable opponents to any team they face this year. Both teams have hosted and will be hosting their own NAQT events this year to try to spur the growth of pyramidal quiz bowl in New Hampshire (September 30 and March 3).
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby 2017 in amusement parks » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:31 pm

Since Connecticut is also part of New England:

Darien is not as good as in the past 2 years, but is very likely the second-best team in New England (to a full Lexington A). Julia Tong is a very talented player, but the team's younger players will need to step up if the team wants to be in the national top 25.

Greens Farms: Karsten Rynearson won SCOP Novice at Hunter, defeating Bard in the finals, solo. He was the second-highest scorer at Yale FAcT, ahead of Rhys Harris (of Plymouth). He's in 8th grade. As with what often comes with having an 8th grader dominate juniors and seniors in scoring, the team has had some communication issues. But John, Willem, and Win are all solid players as well, and this team is not one to take lightly.

Wilton: Alexander Koutsoukos is really good on NAQT sets, less so on housewrites. They've had a lot of success against Darien in the past, which opens up the state championship race.

Expect some of these teams to make noise at BHSAT.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby troyharris » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:18 pm

Michael is correct-Karsten was ahead of Rhys in prelims. Rhys pulled ahead in combined in the afternoon.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby Akolluri » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:39 pm

I think that this is going to be a very interesting year for New England Quizbowl in general. The stalwart teams from a few years ago (AMSA, Phillips, Lexington, Acton-Boxboro) are still very competitive, but the rise in new powerhouses like Andover and Plymouth will make the competition even more exiting in the future.The two I mentioned above have shown massive growth in particular, and I think that the circuit as a whole should feel proud about what New England Quizbowlers have accomplished.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby Ozymandias314 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:35 pm

I suppose after LIIIMIT is when I attempt a stab at some sort of discussion, although I will notably still focus on MA teams simply due to my lack of knowledge of other circuits.

Tier 1, in no particular order, just in a certain order:

Lexington A: One of the strongest teams in the circuit, per usual. Nick Rommel may be the strongest individual player in the state, especially due to his dominance in history and geo. His teammates, Charles Yang and David Arena are not too far behind. However, the full A team has yet to play at a HS tournament, although they did manage to put up a respectable performance at EFT@Yale. We will have to wait till BHSAT to evaluate them at full strength.

Phillips Academy A: Yes, I do go to this school. I'd like to make the case that we're the most balanced team in the entire circuit. None of our scoring numbers jump out, but we have enough competent players to fill up two teams provided that everyone is actually in attendance. Our strengths are rather spread out, there's no subject we particularly dominate (except maybe the niche of Mathematics), but we've managed to put up relatively strong performances at most tournaments so far, provided that we don't lose focus/motivation in the afternoon.

AMSA A: Another one of the strongest programs in the entire tournament. Abhiram is always a formidable opponent to go against, and his teammates also bring a fair amount of knowledge with them as well. Games against them are always close, and they recently had an impressive performance, bringing back the win at LIIIIMIT. The winning tradition of this program will almost definitely allow them to be a fairly strong team for years to come.

A-B A: Sky and Prat are a strong duo, both putting up some high scoring performances this year. Both are fairly complete players, and their teammates also bring something to the table as well.

Andover A: Frank Cai has gotten very very good over the past year, especially in Lit and FA. His teammate Neil Patel also contributes a fair amount to the scoring load. However, the scoring is quite limited besides those two. Despite that, they've still managed to put up very strong performances on NAQT sets (getting 2nd several times), although perhaps less so on harder sets (HFT).

Tier 2, also in no particular order:

Plymouth A: I'm hesitant to put Plymouth into the 2nd tier because to be rather honest, the scoring is still mostly limited to just Rhys Harris, who is an extremely strong player, consistently putting up prolific scoring numbers. The trouble with teams like this is that they will ultimately still have a slightly harder time against teams whose scoring is distributed in a more balanced manner.

Belmont A: Cameron is very talented, and newcomer to the Circuit (I think) Wonyoung also impressed at LIIIMIT. I'm still not completely sure as to how strong they are as I've only played them once so far. I certainly have confidence that they can improve drastically if they study hard throughout the year.

Hanover A: Hanover has some fairly balanced scoring, and put up quite a nice performance at PAWT, finishing second. The only reason for why I'm not completely sold on their strength is probably their HFT performance, although that may have simply been not-the-best day, or not the best set for them.

BLS A: They have a few strong players, although I've yet to play them enough/watch them play to really be able to say anything that substantial.

And that about finishes my analysis, feel free to tell me if you disagree, also apologies, because I'm probably not very good at this.

Also, update on Team Vincent: After a whopping 25 negs at PAWT, including 8 in one game against his own teammate, he managed to reduce his negs to only TWO(!!??) at LIIIMIT, with ZERO(!!!!????) during playoffs, so perhaps Nick's message of self-love really did come across to him. He thanks Nick for this (also his teammates, of course). However, he is also the proud owner of the "Neg Lifetime Achievement Award", courtesy of his "main man", Charles Yang.
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Re: New England Discussion '17-'18

Postby Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:26 pm

Ozymandias314 wrote:Belmont A: Cameron is very talented, and newcomer to the Circuit (I think) Wonyoung also impressed at LIIIMIT. I'm still not completely sure as to how strong they are as I've only played them once so far. I certainly have confidence that they can improve drastically if they study hard throughout the year.


Thanks Vincent! I definitely agree with your whole analysis and ranking, not just of our team, but of the entire circuit. In regards to Belmont A, while we have been garnering stronger showings recently (beating Andover at HFT and AMSA A at LIIIMIT), we will need to improve our consistency in order for us to truly excel. We're getting there, though!

And yes, to confirm: I am comparatively new to quizbowl (my first tournament was this past March, so I'm just shy of a year). I'm incredibly thankful that the community as a whole has been so helpful and accepting – I certainly would not have grown so fond of quizbowl or improved as a player without the guidance of my team and the other MA teams.

Ozymandias314 wrote:Also, update on Team Vincent: After a whopping 25 negs at PAWT, including 8 in one game against his own teammate, he managed to reduce his negs to only TWO(!!??) at LIIIMIT, with ZERO(!!!!????) during playoffs, so perhaps Nick's message of self-love really did come across to him. He thanks Nick for this (also his teammates, of course). However, he is also the proud owner of the "Neg Lifetime Achievement Award", courtesy of his "main man", Charles Yang.


I'm glad to hear that Team Vincent has risen from the ashes. I look forward to seeing Team Vincent win HSNCT and PACE.
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