Annotated Review of Packets
Annotated Review of Packets
Hey, after making the flippant joke in the RILKE thread about Blu-Ray special features for tournaments, I got to thinking about the quizbowl equivalent of commentary tracks. There's a packet on the archive which contains basically short, sometimes helpful commentaries and reviews of each question. At some point (when I actually finish the fershlugginer projects I'm working on), I'd like to get a panel/roundtable of folks and have a conversation as we look through a packet and try to draw out particular positive and negative trends. This is just a preliminary fishing idea if anyone has any other suggestions for this or willingness to participate; it probably will be in the late spring or early summer before it happens.
Mike Cheyne
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In all seriousness, sounds like fun! If I'm available, I'll participate.
In all seriousness, sounds like fun! If I'm available, I'll participate.
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I'd be up for this.
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I think it'd be a great idea to approach this with a "what are editors looking for" angle, and work with raw submissions rather than final packets. There's still a gap between editor expectations of submissions and actual submissions - I don't think this is a controversial statement.
Recently we've put up some "sample packets" on the ACF website, for instance, which take from a couple of good submissions for 2014 Regionals. I don't know if it's immediately clear to the quizbowl world at large what makes those submissions good, or why they are to be emulated.
Just a thought. There's no paucity of raw material for this either. I'd be happy to contact some of the teams that submitted packets for Fall to see if they're okay with something like this.
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Recently we've put up some "sample packets" on the ACF website, for instance, which take from a couple of good submissions for 2014 Regionals. I don't know if it's immediately clear to the quizbowl world at large what makes those submissions good, or why they are to be emulated.
Just a thought. There's no paucity of raw material for this either. I'd be happy to contact some of the teams that submitted packets for Fall to see if they're okay with something like this.
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I'll gladly participate in this.
Doing this with both edited and unedited packets seems like a cool idea.
I don't think ACF Fall packets would be as useful for this exercise as would be regular-difficulty packets. Lower-difficulty packets tend to have few if any fresh early clues, and talking about how to phrase fresh early clues, and even what proportion of the tossup should be devoted to such clues, seems to me to be a vital part of this discussion. Also, most packet-submission tournaments are regular-difficulty, so it seems best to discuss exactly the sorts of packet submissions we most wish to improve.
Doing this with both edited and unedited packets seems like a cool idea.
I don't think ACF Fall packets would be as useful for this exercise as would be regular-difficulty packets. Lower-difficulty packets tend to have few if any fresh early clues, and talking about how to phrase fresh early clues, and even what proportion of the tossup should be devoted to such clues, seems to me to be a vital part of this discussion. Also, most packet-submission tournaments are regular-difficulty, so it seems best to discuss exactly the sorts of packet submissions we most wish to improve.
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I think conceivably we could look at a variety of packets from different difficulties; it might be worthwhile to look at a Fall submission to (gently) note how the submission both does and does not match the spirit of the tournament.
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I don't know if I'm as qualified to participate in this as the people posting upthread, but I'd be interested in sitting in on this exercise and seeing what people think.
Also, I only see a single sample packet on the ACF website (Rob Carson's from ACF Regionals 2014) - are there others somewhere?
Also, I only see a single sample packet on the ACF website (Rob Carson's from ACF Regionals 2014) - are there others somewhere?
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so would this be looking at editted packets or submissions?
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I want to contribute
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