Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
Occasionally, I will see people posting pictures of themselves holding up dollar bills after these events, emblematic that they have won some sort of contest on something like a) an answer line coming up b) an answer line not coming up c) a particular performance d) Jordan Palmer looking particularly handsome that day.*
Without turning this into a forum for very-small-time gambling and thus probably violating RICO or whatever it's called#, I was wondering if there have been any differences of opinion already noted, and would encourage other prognostications and counter-prognostications.
I will take all comers who wish to dispute the inevitability of a stupid predictions thread popping up, but do note, I could just start that thread myself.
*Not a legitimate bet, you can't bet on a 100% sure thing.
#That is exactly what it's called.
Without turning this into a forum for very-small-time gambling and thus probably violating RICO or whatever it's called#, I was wondering if there have been any differences of opinion already noted, and would encourage other prognostications and counter-prognostications.
I will take all comers who wish to dispute the inevitability of a stupid predictions thread popping up, but do note, I could just start that thread myself.
*Not a legitimate bet, you can't bet on a 100% sure thing.
#That is exactly what it's called.
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Re: Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
Speaking only for myself, I don't like betting real money (even a very small amount) on contests where I or the other person could affect the outcome. I like when other people also don't like betting real money on contests that they themselves are taking part in. That said, it's really not a big deal -- I trust that it's all for fun, and nobody is earnestly throwing a match they raised hundreds of dollars to compete in just to win a dollar.
I think many of these alleged pictures (though I've only ever seen one?) are more about something team-internal like an advisor/captain saying "If you beat [Top Physics Player] to a physics tossup, I'll pay for your soda," which is obviously 100 percent fine.
I think many of these alleged pictures (though I've only ever seen one?) are more about something team-internal like an advisor/captain saying "If you beat [Top Physics Player] to a physics tossup, I'll pay for your soda," which is obviously 100 percent fine.
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Re: Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
don't bet on quiz bowl
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Re: Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
Fred makes a good point; I still haven't seen my winnings from the NU 2012 ICT finals match betting pool. I don't think I ever will.Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:don't bet on quiz bowl
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As someone who has won bets at practice (off degenerate gambler Mike Sorice) and on a live packet (woo Starcade knowledge), the most people should bet is like a meal.
People have done prognostication pools on here (top bracket finishers, UG titles, etc), but no money was involved.
People have done prognostication pools on here (top bracket finishers, UG titles, etc), but no money was involved.
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I'm pretty sure I once saw people betting on the number of times I would mention Hungary in a side event tournament I wrote. "Over" won.
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Re: Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
I've seen two, and the prize have both been dollar bills for beating superstars to their topic.Matthew Jackson wrote: I think many of these alleged pictures (though I've only ever seen one?) are more about something team-internal like an advisor/captain saying "If you beat [Top Physics Player] to a physics tossup, I'll pay for your soda," which is obviously 100 percent fine.
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What's wrong with betting on matches in tournaments that you're not participating in?
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Re: Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
I guess only that it may be illegal, along with everything else that is fun, such as pronouncing Arkansas incorrectly.Coldblueberry wrote:What's wrong with betting on matches in tournaments that you're not participating in?
But I would argue there isn't any problem on "betting" (the legal kind) when you're in the tournament, as long as you're not betting on yourself to lose (like, "I bet I can't get 20 negs in a game!"). Peter Rose does not play quizbowl.
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Something not unlike this actually happened at one point in a game against Brown when I was there, although without the betting. I can't remember who exactly was doing this, but it was maybe at Penn Bowl; regardless, the team we were playing decided they were going to neg every single tossup, literally announcing their intention to do so at the start of the match. It was incredibly obnoxious to play a team doing that.minusfive wrote:Coldblueberry wrote:But I would argue there isn't any problem on "betting" (the legal kind) when you're in the tournament, as long as you're not betting on yourself to lose (like, "I bet I can't get 20 negs in a game!").
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...Do these people not realise that they are paying money in order to be annoying asses?grapesmoker wrote:Something not unlike this actually happened at one point in a game against Brown when I was there, although without the betting. I can't remember who exactly was doing this, but it was maybe at Penn Bowl; regardless, the team we were playing decided they were going to neg every single tossup, literally announcing their intention to do so at the start of the match. It was incredibly obnoxious to play a team doing that.
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They were appropriately reprimanded but I didn't take the time to solicit their input regarding what they did or did not realize.odin_envy_me wrote:...Do these people not realise that they are paying money in order to be annoying asses?grapesmoker wrote:Something not unlike this actually happened at one point in a game against Brown when I was there, although without the betting. I can't remember who exactly was doing this, but it was maybe at Penn Bowl; regardless, the team we were playing decided they were going to neg every single tossup, literally announcing their intention to do so at the start of the match. It was incredibly obnoxious to play a team doing that.
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Re: Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
Dan Leifer at TIT. I remember because I was taking the MCAT that weekendgrapesmoker wrote:I can't remember who exactly was doing this, but it was maybe at Penn Bowl
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Sounds about right.The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:Dan Leifer at TIT. I remember because I was taking the MCAT that weekendgrapesmoker wrote:I can't remember who exactly was doing this, but it was maybe at Penn Bowl
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Re: Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
I actually have no memory of this, and (as evidence) McGill's play certainly doesn't suggest that any of us have ever read a book on American history.minusfive wrote:Coldblueberry wrote:Example of awesome: I gave McGill's Derek So a really cool book on what-ifs in American History as a prize a couple years back (we gave out double-prizes if a player won a scoring-prize and was on the winning team at that time). I would love to compete to try to win it back.
Are you sure that event wasn't itself part of an alternate timeline?
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Re: Side bets at ICT and ACF Nats
The darkest timeline.Nabonidus wrote:Are you sure that event wasn't itself part of an alternate timeline?
Maybe Sam?
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Sam said doesn't have it either. But if you're still looking for it, I think we can deduce from your first two guesses that the current owner is devilishly handsome.
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No, I'm pretty sure Peter Estall doesn't have it either.Nabonidus wrote:I think we can deduce from your first two guesses that the current owner is devilishly handsome.
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