Midseason poll

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Midseason poll

Post by 1.82 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:25 pm

There hasn't been a poll in a while, so I'm doing one. This is the announcement of the midseason poll for collegiate teams.

Please do not post ballots in the thread. Do not vote for high school teams. You can vote for B teams. Ballots must contain 25 teams. E-mail them to me at nch@umd.edu by March 25.

The results of the preseason poll, with first place votes in parentheses:

1. Yale Bulldogs: 349 (13), highest #1, lowest #2
2. Pennsylvania Quakers: 321 (1), highest #1, lowest #5
3. California Golden Bears: 317, highest #2, lowest #6
4. Chicago Maroons: 312, highest #2, lowest #6
5. Columbia Lions: 300, highest #3, lowest #7
6. Ohio State Buckeyes: 271, highest #4, lowest #13
7. Cambridge Light Blues: 228, highest #6, lowest #19
8. Minnesota Golden Gophers: 223, highest #6, lowest #20
9. Stanford Cardinal: 198, highest #4, ranked by 13 voters
10. California Golden Bears B: 195, highest #7, lowest #24
11. McGill Redmen: 183, highest #8, lowest #20
12. Chicago Maroons B: 179, highest #7, lowest #19
13. Northwestern Wildcats: 176, highest #5, ranked by 13 voters
14. Toronto Varsity Blues: 150, highest #9, ranked by 13 voters
15. Missouri Tigers: 139, highest #8, ranked by 13 voters
16. Washington (Mo.) Bears: 134, highest #9, ranked by 10 voters
17. Michigan Wolverines: 127, highest #8, ranked by 12 voters
18. Oklahoma Sooners: 121, highest #8, ranked by 13 voters
19. Virginia Cavaliers: 114, highest #10, ranked by 13 voters
20. Duke Blue Devils: 102, highest #13, lowest #25
21. Michigan State Spartans: 79, highest #10, ranked by 12 voters
22. Oxford Dark Blues: 71, highest #7, ranked by 11 voters
23. MIT Engineers: 64, highest #15, ranked by 11 voters
24. Maryland Terrapins: 35, highest #12, ranked by 3 voters
25. Chicago Maroons C: 33, highest #20, ranked by 10 voters
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by vinteuil » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:31 pm

PSA: Don't forget Johns Hopkins this time!
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by settlej » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:46 pm

Reposting Victor's spreadsheet for ease of reference.

Team Rankings 2017-2018
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by jasongg17 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:58 pm

vinteuil wrote:PSA: Don't forget Johns Hopkins this time!
And I'd say this about Johns Hopkins prior to Robert Chu joining them. Also Oxford this year is sneaky good and should probably be ranked a little higher than in the pre-season poll. Daoud Jackson has the scariest metagaming proficiency I've seen by anybody not named Chris Ray and also is brutally good at specific niches in lit, history, and religion and basic generalism, and good luck getting a question ahead of them on any of the massive number of things George Charlson has read/seen (not to mention their sizable stable of excellent science players and subject specialists).
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by bradleykirksey » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:42 pm

As long as we're promoting teams, I think UF is traditionally underrated because of their circuit. They finished 17th at last year's ICT and they had an unfortunate 3-way-tiebreak with Toronto and Chicago C push them out of second bracket at Nats. And they're returning their three highest scorers and adding Tracy Mirkin, who was a top-10 scorer at HSNCT last year. Incidentally, history was normally their worst subject and Tracy is a history player. I don't think it's remotely unlikely that they finish second bracket at both national championships with the new rosters.

And if anyone carelessly glosses over them because of their SCT scores, they finished 30th (ahead of PSU and Delaware) with just Taylor Harvey and a C team player.

They were top-25 last year and only got better. It would be a real shame if they got left out again.
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by heterodyne » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:26 pm

One might be tempted to derive conclusions about the skill of all Chicago teams from the mixed results of the A team, but I would caution against this. In particular, Matthew Lehmann is exceptionally good and only improving, but all the players on the B are highly capable of converting tossups against pretty much any team. Underrank them at your peril.
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by a bird » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:55 pm

heterodyne wrote:One might be tempted to derive conclusions about the skill of all Chicago teams from the mixed results of the A team, but I would caution against this. In particular, Matthew Lehmann is exceptionally good and only improving, but all the players on the B are highly capable of converting tossups against pretty much any team. Underrank them at your peril.
Chicago B definitely looks like a good team. Will Luke be playing DI ICT with the B team or DII? As long as we're refraining from making undue generalizations about Chicago teams, does the C team have a set roster at this point?
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by heterodyne » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:57 pm

a bird wrote:
heterodyne wrote:One might be tempted to derive conclusions about the skill of all Chicago teams from the mixed results of the A team, but I would caution against this. In particular, Matthew Lehmann is exceptionally good and only improving, but all the players on the B are highly capable of converting tossups against pretty much any team. Underrank them at your peril.
Chicago B definitely looks like a good team. Will Luke be playing DI ICT with the B team or DII? As long as we're refraining from making undue generalizations about Chicago teams, does the C team have a set roster at this point?
The current plan is for Luke and Matthew to both play D2ICT. I don't know about the C team, but you can probably assume that one of the recent instantiations is representative.
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by Kasper Kaijanen » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:58 pm

On the topic of team hyping, Oklahoma's full A team will, for the first time since ICT two years ago, actually be together at a national tournament. Also, we have the number 6 D value. Just saying.
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by heterodyne » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:02 pm

Tibetan literature wrote:On the topic of team hyping, Oklahoma's full A team will, for the first time since ICT two years ago, actually be together at a national tournament. Also, we have the number 6 D value. Just saying.
ya these ppl are rly good
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by 1.82 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:02 pm

This is a reminder that votes are due in three days, so get them in quick so that they can be counted. I've received 13 votes so far and the results can only get more accurate with a larger sample. If for some reason you sent in a vote but haven't received a reply from me, let me know.
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by 1.82 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:43 am

Voting has concluded. The 14 voters were Will Alston, Ryan Bilger, Weijia Cheng, Jason Golfinos, Alexander Harmata, Ryan Humphrey, Daoud Jackson, Bradley Kirksey, Jakob Myers, Graham Reid, Jonathen Settle, Conor Thompson, Chandler West, and Richard Yu. Thanks to each of them for taking the time to contribute.

1. Yale Bulldogs: 348 (12), highest #1, lowest #2 (previous: #1)
2. California Golden Bears: 331 (1), highest #1, lowest #4 (previous: #3)
3. Pennsylvania Quakers: 326 (1), highest #1, lowest #4 (previous: #2)
4. Chicago Maroons: 303, highest #3, lowest #6 (previous: #4)
5. Columbia Lions: 281, highest #3, lowest #9 (previous: #5)
6. Cambridge Light Blues: 278, highest #4, lowest #10 (previous: #7)
6. Ohio State Buckeyes: 278, highest #5, lowest #9 (previous: #6)
8. Northwestern Wildcats: 228, highest #6, lowest #13 (previous: #13)
9. Minnesota Golden Gophers: 216, highest #8, lowest #15 (previous: #8)
10. Chicago Maroons B: 212, highest #8, lowest #17 (previous: #12)
11. California Golden Bears B: 205, highest #8, lowest #19 (previous: #10)
12. Missouri Tigers: 199, highest #8, lowest #17 (previous: #15)
13. McGill Redmen: 166, highest #11, lowest #23 (previous: #11)
14. Michigan Wolverines: 163, highest #10, ranked by 13 voters (previous: #17)
15. Oklahoma Sooners: 154, highest #10, lowest #20 (previous: #18)
16. Stanford Cardinal: 108, highest #5, ranked by 11 voters (previous: #9)
17. Duke Blue Devils: 104, highest #11, lowest #25 (previous: #20)
18. Virginia Cavaliers: 99, highest #13, ranked by 13 voters (previous: #19)
19. Washington (Mo.) Bears: 90, highest #11, ranked by 11 voters (previous: #16)
20. Toronto Varsity Blues: 88, highest #12, lowest #24 (previous: #14)
21. Michigan State Spartans: 82, highest #13, ranked by 12 voters (previous: #21)
22. Oxford Dark Blues: 78, highest #14, ranked by 13 voters (previous: #22)
23. Maryland Terrapins: 69, highest #15, lowest #24 (previous: #24)
24. Johns Hopkins Blue Jays: 68, highest #16, ranked by 13 voters (previous: received votes)
25. Florida Gators: 31, highest #16, ranked by 8 voters (previous: received votes)

Also receiving votes:

26. MIT Engineers: 12, highest #23, ranked by 6 voters (previous: #23)
27. Oxford Dark Blues B: 8, highest #18, ranked by 1 voter (previous: received votes)
28. Cambridge Light Blues B: 5, highest #21, ranked by 1 voter (previous: unranked)
28. Chicago Maroons C: 5, highest #23, ranked by 2 voters (previous: #25)
28. New York Violets: 5, highest #23, ranked by 3 voters (previous: received votes)
28. Princeton Tigers: 5, highest #21, ranked by 1 voter (previous: received votes)
32. Illinois Fighting Illini: 2, highest #24, ranked by 1 voter (previous: received votes)
33. Harvard Crimson: 1, highest #25, ranked by 1 voter (previous: received votes)
33. Penn State Nittany Lions: 1, highest #25, ranked by 1 voter (previous: unranked)
33. Rutgers Scarlet Knights: 1, highest #25, ranked by 1 voter (previous: received votes)
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by Nabonidus » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:50 am

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Re: Midseason poll

Post by 1.82 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:50 pm

Hey guys, people are interested in having a writeup of the poll results similar to this one. I'd like to do this, but first I'd like to have your input about each team. Since ICT is coming up, time is limited, so I'll be hosting a roundtable discussion tonight at 6:30 EDT where we go through each team in the poll and discuss them. Please come to share your thoughts.

This discussion will be held on the #quizbowl IRC channel. To log in, follow this link, enter your nickname, and press Go. Thanks!
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by Mnemosyne » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:29 pm

Did anyone record the log of the discussion? (and could send it to me) I tried to catch it on my computer during our practice but I lost connection.
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by aseem.keyal » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:12 pm

Naveed sent me this link for the log: https://pastebin.com/ES4mzs6e
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Re: Midseason poll

Post by 1.82 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:28 am

The writeup has been posted: http://hsquizbowl.org/blog/2018-collegi ... s-preview/

Please PM me with any corrections or updates that I should make.
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