Half Hollow Hills West Invitational (Dix Hills, NY 1/7/2012)

[bt_green_warbler]

Thanks, everyone.

[The Predictable Consequences]

If my bracket is correct, and I think it is, the final 16 were as follows:

1. Saint Joe's A; 2. GDS B; tie for 3rd & 4th were Great Neck South A & White Plains A; tied for 5th & 6th were Bergen Academies A & Ardsley A; tied for 7th & 8th were GDS A and State College A; then the following 8 were tied for 9th: Tribeca A (aka Stuyvesant A); Seton Hall Prep A; Irvington A; Horace Greeley A; Scarsdale; Mountain Lakes; Ranney; Kellenberg A.

EDIT: It seems that Ryan has Livingston A defeating Seton Hall Prep A to make into the final 16 and thus qualifying; my bracket has Seton Hall A defeating Livingston A...so this one is currently uncertain.

I wasn't sure about Livingston--I just seem to remember them being in the top 16 seeds. Your version is most likely right.

[Nun's puffs]

-snip- Whoops, misread.

[Pushkin's Beard]

If my bracket is correct, and I think it is, the final 16 were as follows:

1. Saint Joe's A; 2. GDS B; tie for 3rd & 4th were Great Neck South A & White Plains A; tied for 5th & 6th were Bergen Academies A & Ardsley A; tied for 7th & 8th were GDS A and State College A; then the following 8 were tied for 9th: Tribeca A (aka Stuyvesant A); Seton Hall Prep A; Irvington A; Horace Greeley A; Scarsdale; Mountain Lakes; Ranney; Kellenberg A.

EDIT: It seems that Ryan has Livingston A defeating Seton Hall Prep A to make into the final 16 and thus qualifying; my bracket has Seton Hall A defeating Livingston A...so this one is currently uncertain.

I wasn't sure about Livingston--I just seem to remember them being in the top 16 seeds. Your version is most likely right.

Seton Hall A defeated Livingston. I played for Georgetown Day School A and we played Seton Hall A in the round of 16.

[jonpin]

I saw Seton Hall walking into a second round playoff game, so I can attest that they defeated Livingston in their first-round playoff game.
Edit to add: Oh I see this was already resolved on the following page.

[Edward Powers]

Any news on when stats will be posted? It has been more than a week now.

[Scaled Flowerpiercer]

Any news on when stats will be posted? It has been more than a week now.

If it at all like last year, or if what I heard from a student whom I spoke to at the tournament, it may take up to 5 weeks.

[thebigbossandy]

I would like to apologize for the fact that the statistics have not yet been released. Unfortunately, I am the last tie to the Blayne era on the Hills West quiz bowl team, and therefore the only person on the team who knows the importance of posting stats on a timely basis. As you may be aware, this aspect of the tournament was delegated to other, more computer-savvy members of my team, and to date, they have not provided me with what I requested. Once again, please forgive me. As soon as I get any statistics I will post them immediately.

[jonpin]

Well I guess if it's gonna be a while, I might as well post the top-level data that I wrote down at the tournament. There were 17 groups of six teams that played a round-robin, and all but one of them went 5-4-3-2-1-0 (the other went IIRC 5-4-2-2-2-0). Advancement to and seeding in the 32 team playoff was based on wins, then total points.

These teams were all 5-0 (total points shown):
1-5: Ardsley 2955, St. Joseph-A 2730, White Plains 2670, Georgetown-B 2630, State College 2585
6-10: Bergen-A 2575, Georgetown-A 2510, Ranney 2470, Great Neck South 2355, Livingston-A 2330
11-17: Irvington 2285, Mountain Lakes 2160, Scarsdale 2105, Horace Greeley 2040, Valley Stream South 2040, Kellenberg 2010, Ridgewood 1270

These teams were all 4-1:
18-22: Tribeca-A 2135, Tribeca-B 1850, St. Joseph-B 1810, Plainview? 1790, N Babylon 1785
23-27: Seton Hall 1735, Roslyn 1630, Hills East 1575, Bergen-B 1515, Livingston-B 1500
28-32: Hunter-"C" 1495, Kings Park-"B" 1420, North Shore 1400, Phillipsburg 1400, Tribeca-C 1400
33-34 (missed playoffs): Ward Melville 1265, Farmingdale 1225

Some observations:
No, that's not a typo, Ridgewood won their group at 1270 total points. That group was fairly weak, but I don't have the full schedule, so I don't know who the runner-up from that group was.
From the schedule, I could tell who the apparent "1" seeds in each group were. All won except for Seton Hall (beaten by Georgetown-B because they split strength) and Tribeca-A. Tribeca-A, the leading 2nd place team, lost to Mountain Lakes in a group that also contained Great Neck North, the leading 3rd place team.
Ward Melville was in the group headed by Ranney; I'm not sure whose group had Farmingdale.
18-Tribeca over 15-Valley Stream and 23-Seton Hall over 10-Livingston were the only upsets by seed in the first playoff round.
9-Great Neck South over 8-Ranney was the only "upset" in the second playoff round.
I'm not certain that I have the name of Plainview correct. I jotted down P/OB and think it's Plainview/Old Bridge, but might be wrong.

[thebigbossandy]

POB is Plainview Old Bethpage

[Scaled Flowerpiercer]

To fill in the couple of holes where Jon was uncertain:

Ridgewood A's division was Ridgwood A, Kings Park C, Wheatley B, GNS D, North Shore A, Hunter D

Farmingdale was in the division with Scarsdale

I found my copy of the prelim schedule, so if anyone has any more questions, I can answer them.

[Nun's puffs]

Kings Park A was (IIRC) the second-highest scoring 3-2 team, losing to North Babylon A and Valley Stream South A. Kings Park C was also 3-2.
Ranney's bracket had Valley Stream South E, Irvington C, Ridgewood C, White Plains C and Ward Melville A.

[Edward Powers]

Building on Jon's "Sweet 16" above, the rest of the playoffs went as follows:

#1 Ardsley A defeated # 16 Kellenberg A #2 Saint Joe's A defeated # 18 Tribeca A ( aka Stuyvesant A)
#9 Great Neck South A defeated # 8 Ranney #7 GDS A defeated # 23 Seton Hall Prep A
#5 State College A defeated #12 Mountain Lakes #6 Bergen Academies A defeated # 11Irvington A
#4 GDS B defeated # 13 Scarsdale #3 White Plains A defeated # 13 Horace Greeley A

These results led to the final 8 teams breaking into two brackets of 4 teams, as follows, who then played a 3 match round robin against each other:

The first bracket had #1 Ardsley, #4 GDS B, # 5 State College, and # 9 Great Neck South. In Round One, Great Neck South upset Ardsley, while GDS B defeated State College. In Round Two, GDS B defeated Great Neck South, while Ardsley defeated State College, and in Round Three, GDS B defeated Ardsley, while Great Neck South defeated State College. So, GDS B went 3-0, GNS, 2-1, Ardsley 1-2, and State College 0-3.

In the 2nd Round Robin Bracket, in Round One St. Joe's A defeated GDS A, while White Plains nipped Bergen Academies; in Round Two, St. Joe's defeated Bergen, while White Plains defeated GDS A; in the Third Round, Bergen defeated GDS A, and St. Joe's defeated White Plains. So, SJA went 3-0; WP A went 2-1; BCA 1-2 and GDS A 0-3.

This left SJA and GDS B to play a winner take all cross bracket match for the Championship, which SJ A won. So, final records of the Top 8 overall were: SJA 11-0; GDS B 10-1; White Plains & Great Neck South 9-1; Bergen and Ardsley, 8-2, and GDS A and State College A, 7-3.

And I guess the 8 teams that tied for 9th place after being eliminated in the Octofinals all went either 6-1 or 5-2 for the day.

And that 's all I know about the final 16.

EDIT: I inadvertantly stated that #3 White Plains A defeated #13 Horace Greeley A in the Octofinals, when in fact Greeley was #14, not # 13. Sorry.

[Scaled Flowerpiercer]

# 13 Horace Greeley A

It is not a terribly important correction, but, judging from the data provided above, Horace Greeley was the #14 seed (Scarsdale was #13

[thebigbossandy]

Hi:

We had a meeting today and I was promised that I could get the standings today. Unfortunately, I was misinformed, and the standings are only for the first five rounds. Anyway, here are the first five rounds:

http://mmaroney.net/hsw/brainstormers/QuizBowl12/FinalResults.htm

[Scaled Flowerpiercer]

Hi:

We had a meeting today and I was promised that I could get the standings today. Unfortunately, I was misinformed, and the standings are only for the first five rounds. Anyway, here are the first five rounds:

http://mmaroney.net/hsw/brainstormers/QuizBowl12/FinalResults.htm

Though it is good to have something, is there any sort of a timeline now as to when full stats will be made available?

[thebigbossandy]

Rumors are saying that our "stats guy" can get it done by Monday afternoon, but I wouldn't count on it.

[ProfessorIanDuncan]

Where, when they are completed, will the stats be shown?

[Francis the Talking France]

Where, when they are completed, will the stats be shown?

On the NAQT website, and they may also link it on here.

[ProfessorIanDuncan]

On the NAQT website, and they may also link it on here.

Yes, I am aware that it will be on the NAQT website but i was hoping for an alternate page that may have all the stats up earlier. For example, LIFT XI stats this year were up on the database within a couple of days but not on the NAQT website for about a week. Unfortunately HHH is not on the database.

[Scaled Flowerpiercer]

George has been pretty good with keeping us up to date with the unfortunately slow progress of his teammates, I am sure as soon as something is posted somewhere, he will tell us.

[Matt Weiner]

There is a board rule limiting stats requests to once per week per thread. It is intended to prevent the sort of unhelpful back-and-forth this thread has become. Please start following this rule.

[ProfessorIanDuncan]

There is a board rule limiting stats requests to once per week per thread

I apologize. I was not aware of this rule. It will not happen again.

[thebigbossandy]

I want to apologize on behalf of my teammates. As I had mentioned earlier, I was not involved in the compiling of stats. Unfortunately, they did not get done by Monday as I had been promised, and this week is midterms, so there isn't much hope of them being done this week. Once the stats are completed, our AP Comp Sci teacher will upload them to his personal website and I will post the link on the blogs as well as send them to NAQT. However, I wouldn't get my hopes up that they'll be done until next week. Once again, I want to apologize on behalf of my teammates.

[Scaled Flowerpiercer]

Well, its been another week, so....any news on the stats?

[jonpin]

Sam, I would like the stats posted as much as you or the vast majority of attendees at this tournament would like them posted. Now, it's useful to ask "Is it right that a tournament that charges more than any other in the region is so much worse at such a vital part of game-day and post-game organization?" but it's not useful to say "WHERE STATS WHERE?" every eight days. For one, you're more likely to get a response if you directly email someone at HHH. For another, when you bump a thread for this reason, it gives me a ten-second period of "Cool, the stats were posted." before I get to "Oh wait, no, it's just someone asking for the stats AGAIN." I'm fairly confident when I say I doubt that George or the rest of that team has plum forgot that they ran a tournament last month which has not yet posted any useful display of its results. They don't need to be reminded of it in public, frequently. Even if you're one for "shame the bums into doing their job", it isn't George who has shirked his responsibility to enter data.

The rule Matt posted about previously, Section II, Paragraph 8, says in its entirety:

No thread may contain more than one request for the posting of tournament statistics within the same week or from the same person. Similar restraint is expected in requesting that packets be posted or making demands of people who are providing free services to the quizbowl community.

Please don't make us start dealing out punitive consequences for violations of the above.

[thebigbossandy]

Hi:

I was FINALLY given a raw SQBS file for our stats. As in prior years, our "stats guy" was going to have our school's AP Comp Sci teacher upload the stats to his personal website so everyone can see. Since I have not received this, I attempted to upload it to the hsquizbowl.org database myself. I am not 100% sure that it uploaded properly, as I am not the most computer-savvy person, so if it did not, please let me know. In the meantime, I will still attempt to get the link from the AP Comp Sci teacher to make available to everyone as we have done in prior years.

Here is the link to the database page: http://hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/858/stats/all_games/

Once again, I would like to apologize for the delay.

[The Predictable Consequences]

Looks good to me. Thank you for all the work you put into this tournament.

edit: The GNS A-State College A playoff game does not appear to be entered into the stats.

[Jake]

Thank you for putting up those stats, but could you please upload them to the naqt site. My friend Roey set both individual and tourtament PPG records, and it would be great if NAQT got those stats so these records could be uploaded on the NAQT records page. (Records include 185 points in a single game and 140 PPG in the preliminaries.)

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[thebigbossandy]

Hi:

I gave the file to my coach, Mr. Diver, and he said that he sent it to NAQT.

[bt_green_warbler]

could you please upload them to the naqt site.

Expect this to happen early next week.

[Scaled Flowerpiercer]

Just as a quick note, it might be a good idea for people to look over the names of the players before they are uploaded to naqt.com, seeing as I have noticed quite a few mistakes out of just the people whom I know. If it helps, these are the mistakes I know of:
(in the form {listed name} => {real name})
Adam Jeffe => Adam Jaffe, Alec Volfson => Alec Vulfson, Jens Sannerd => Jens Sannerud, Nillon Yeh => Dillon Yeh

EDIT: Also, in one match our B team was given none of their bonus points. Irvington B is listed as losing to Bloomfield A 100-105, and they have 0 PPB. I do not know what their PPB was, but I know they won that game and it was > 0

[ProfessorIanDuncan]

If it helps, these are the mistakes I know of:
(in the form {listed name} => {real name})
Adam Jeffe => Adam Jaffe, Alec Volfson => Alec Vulfson, Jens Sannerd => Jens Sannerud, Nillon Yeh => Dillon Yeh

In addition, Mertin Gross-Lecyzycki=>Martin Gross-Lecyzycki (I'm not sure about the last name, but ryan implied it was correct) Aneesh Bhahacharya=> Aneesh Bhattacharya (again not 100% sure on the last name). The entire horace Greeley team is missing the last names, they only have the first initial. Max S.=> Max Smiley, Kamil S.=> Kamil Sadik, Kate R.=> Kate Rosenberg, Jon R.=> Jon Richman. The Kellenberg team is also missing last names but I dont know all of them

[huatzer shiangtsay]

Just as a quick note, it might be a good idea for people to look over the names of the players before they are uploaded to naqt.com, seeing as I have noticed quite a few mistakes out of just the people whom I know.

Izzy Heeebkoff ==> Izzy Hechkoff
Richard Tip ==> Richard Yip
Eric Yinu ==> Eric Xiao

Thanks.

[jonpin]

These changes are most easily made by emailing (a) George, (b) someone at NAQT, or (c) both. The former will perhaps correct the data posted on HSQB/db, the latter will merge the files in NAQT's database.

[thebigbossandy]

I have updated the name corrections. I have spoken to Arthur who was the moderator and scorekeeper for the missing GNS A - State College A game and he is looking into it. As for the other missing games I have spoken to our "stats guy" who is looking into them.

Here is the link to the semi-corrected stats:

http://hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/858/stats/updated_2_8_2012/