Specific question discussion

[AGoodMan]

Please discuss specific questions here. Requests for the text of questions, and compliments/complaints about specific questions should go here.

[Rather Wild Indeed]

Can I see the question with the answerline "Mexican" please?

[AGoodMan]

9. A prominent journalist of this ethnicity was killed during a Vietnam War rally when a police tear gas canister struck him in the head. MEChA campaigned for the rights of these people who were discriminated against following the Sleepy Lagoon murder. Immigration from this group was curtailed by Operation (*) knight of infinite resignation, and they had earlier been encouraged to move to the U.S. through the Bracero program. Two people of this ethnic group founded the United Farm Workers, which went on strike against California grape growers. For 10 points, name this ethnic group whose members include Cesar Chavez and other Chicanos.
ANSWER: Mexican-Americans (or Mexicano/a(s); or Chicano/a(s) before mention; prompt on Hispanics; prompt on Latino/as)

[UlyssesInvictus]

...I'm assuming that's a typo at Operation Knight of Infinite Resignation...I definitely don't remember reading that in my round, so let me go see what happened here.

[UlyssesInvictus]

To touch on a sensitive issue, the original clue references the historical program "Operation knight of infinite resignation," described in this article, where the article name is automatically being replaced by "knight of infinite resignation" because the article name uses a known ethnic slur.

I'd now like to ask the community for feedback on how to improve this question. I overlooked the disparaging implications of the operation name originally, and would like to vehemently apologize for using a hurtful term in the body of the question. However, this is indeed the name of the historical operation. I acknowledge that there's importance in recognizing that name and how it was used, but I'd also like to err on the side of kindness and simply not use the word.

Thus, to those who see this, I'd thus like to ask for two points of feedback:
- If it's possible to use the original term in a non-hurtful way
- If not, how we can acknowledge the original event in a respectful way, given that the entire question is based around exclusionary events targeting toward Mexican-Americans.

I know it's only one question, but it's an important topic in an umbrella of sensitive issues that I have not seen broached much in QB before. I'm hoping that this thread can remain diplomatic, but people should feel free to voice their opinions because I'll be considering them all.

I'd like to avoid this, but if we can't resolve the issue neatly, I'll just remove the question and replace it with something else.

[34 + P.J. Dozier]

Is there any chance I can take a peek at the Gustav Holst tossup?

[AGoodMan]

13. A movement by this composer begins by alternating between E minor and G-sharp minor chords in 5/4 time, and he wrote two suites in E-flat and F for band, the latter of which contains a Fantasia on the Dargason that also concludes his (*) St. Paul’s Suite. The last movement of a work by him features a wordless six-part female chorus. This man wrote a work containing a movement with a col legno march-like ostinato in 5/4 time, and has movements subtitled “the Mystic” and “the Bringer of War.” For 10 points, name this composer who named movements after Jupiter and Mars in his The Planets.
ANSWER: Gustav Holst

[34 + P.J. Dozier]

In regards to the Holst tossup: I'm not sure if the explicit mention of the First Suite in Eb and Second Suite in F should be that early in the power zone – in my match, there were three people (including myself) who immediately identified the answer at that point. The "Fantasia on the Dargason" clue is a bit of a stock clue as well. As a music specialist, my perception of what's power-worthy and what's not is obviously distorted in this case, so I could be mistaken, but that's just what I think. I thought that the question overall was well-written (it's difficult to write a good Holst tossup, from what I've heard), and I do appreciate that the women's chorus ending of The Planets was not used as a power clue, thank god!

[Tippy Martinez]

When I heard it, I thought the Mount Mitchell in North Carolina clue was a little early in the "Appalachian Mountains" tossup. After looking at the tossup as well, I thought that clue was a bit easier than the following Mount Craig, Big Tom, and Blue Ridge subrange clues. Personally, I believe switching those lines would make the question more pyramidal and improve its quality.

[Tippy Martinez]

Also, I very much enjoyed the "selecting a jury" tossup, specifically the Yellowstone loophole clue. Hats off to anyone who wrote or contributed to that question.

[UlyssesInvictus]

Also, I very much enjoyed the "selecting a jury" tossup, specifically the Yellowstone loophole clue. Hats off to anyone who wrote or contributed to that question.

You can thank Robert Chu for that one. I don't know how he learns about this stuff.

[Charm Bison]

I agree that the jury selection question was great, but quick question: Should “trial by jury” have been accepted/prompted? It was negged in my room and accepted in our B team’s match.

[UlyssesInvictus]

I agree that the jury selection question was great, but quick question: Should “trial by jury” have been accepted/prompted? It was negged in my room and accepted in our B team’s match.

Here's the answerline:

Brian Kalt has argued this process is impossible in parts of Yellowstone due to his reading of the Vicinage Clause. “Witherspooning” is a method of creating a certain type of “qualification” during this process. Considering race during this process was deemed unconstitutional by Batson v. Kentucky, and (*) peremptory challenges happen during it. Participants in this process are subject to questioning in a practice called voir dire [vwah dier], and the Sixth Amendment guarantees this process’s result will be composed of one’s peers. For 10 points, give the term for this act of picking a group of people who determine the outcome of a legal trial.
ANSWER: jury selection (accept any answer about choosing people to serve on a jury; prompt on prosecution or pre-trial procedures)

So there was some leeway for the mods here, but because only trial was underlined, "trial by jury" should have been prompted. We can clarify the answerline for this scenario.

[Rather Wild Indeed]

9. A prominent journalist of this ethnicity was killed during a Vietnam War rally when a police tear gas canister struck him in the head. MEChA campaigned for the rights of these people who were discriminated against following the Sleepy Lagoon murder. Immigration from this group was curtailed by Operation (*) knight of infinite resignation, and they had earlier been encouraged to move to the U.S. through the Bracero program. Two people of this ethnic group founded the United Farm Workers, which went on strike against California grape growers. For 10 points, name this ethnic group whose members include Cesar Chavez and other Chicanos.
ANSWER: Mexican-Americans (or Mexicano/a(s); or Chicano/a(s) before mention; prompt on Hispanics; prompt on Latino/as)

Unfortunately, this was a real thing which happened and that does need to be acknowledged. Maybe to avoid using the name of the operation you can say something along the lines of "an operation led by Joseph Swing".

[Rather Wild Indeed]

I also didn't really like the first line of the Peloponnesian war tossup. The Kagan clue is either an easy power for someone who knows it and not useful at all for someone who doesn't. It's not big enough to require a fix - just a note for improvement.

[34 + P.J. Dozier]

Can I see the tossup about dead ancestors/parents/something from Round 2, please? I powered it and gave an answer that the moderator kinda considered for a bit before accepting, so I was wondering what the exact answerline was.

[jiholius]

17. Jesa​ ​is​ ​a​ ​Korean​ ​religious​ ​practice​ ​centering​ ​around​ ​these​ ​people.​ ​Sections​ ​IV​ ​and​ ​V​ ​of​ ​the​ ​Clement​ ​XI’s
bull​ ​Ex​ ​illa​ ​die​ ​prohibited​ ​the​ ​worship​ ​of​ ​these​ ​people​ ​in​ ​an​ ​attempt​ ​to​ ​resolve​ ​a​ ​particular​ ​country’s​ ​“Rites
Controversy.”​ ​The​ ​spring​ ​Qingming​ ​[ching-ming]​ ​Festival​ ​involves​ ​ritually​ ​sweeping​ ​the​ ​residences​ ​of​ ​these
non-deity​ ​(*)​ people, and “hell money” is meant to be used by these people after being burnt as an offering to them
in Chinese ceremonies. The concept of filial piety revolves around respect for these people. For 10 points, name
these people who may be worshipped by visiting a family grave.
ANSWER: ancestor​s (accept dead​ ​relatives​ or any other synonyms; accept elder​s; accept parent​s and synonyms;
prompt on the dead by asking, “who is dead?”; prompt on family or relatives before the end of the question)

I was your moderator for that round. If I remember correctly, you initially said the "dead" and I had to look through the answerline to give you the appropriate prompt.

[The Hands Resist Him]

Would it be possible to see the "If on a winter's night a traveler" tossup? It went dead in our room after both teams took a stab at it; I remember the answerline being fairly specific.

[AGoodMan]

17. In one of these works, a character has an encounter with Madame Miyagi while actually pursuing her daughter Makiko. Ermes Marana translated several of these works, and Professor Uzzi-Tuzii helps translate one of them from the country of Cimmeria. Silas (*) Flannery writes one of these works, and they have titles like Outside the town of malbork. Ludmilla assists You in discovering these works after You, the Reader, only manage to read the first chapter of them. The first of these works shares a title with the larger novel itself. For 10 points, name these works that form every other chapter of Italo Calvino’s most famous novel.
ANSWER: books in Italo Calvino’s If on a winter’s night a traveler (accept anything indicating the books contained in the plot of If on a winter’s night a traveler; accept first chapters or novels or any other reasonable synonyms in place of “books”; prompt on just “If on a winter’s night a traveler” by asking “We need a group of works, not just the frame story.”; prompt on “books by Italo Calvino”

[i never see pigeons in wheeling]

17. In one of these works, a character has an encounter with Madame Miyagi while actually pursuing her daughter Makiko. Ermes Marana translated several of these works, and Professor Uzzi-Tuzii helps translate one of them from the country of Cimmeria. Silas (*) Flannery writes one of these works, and they have titles like Outside the town of malbork. Ludmilla assists You in discovering these works after You, the Reader, only manage to read the first chapter of them. The first of these works shares a title with the larger novel itself. For 10 points, name these works that form every other chapter of Italo Calvino’s most famous novel.
ANSWER: books in Italo Calvino’s If on a winter’s night a traveler (accept anything indicating the books contained in the plot of If on a winter’s night a traveler; accept first chapters or novels or any other reasonable synonyms in place of “books”; prompt on just “If on a winter’s night a traveler” by asking “We need a group of works, not just the frame story.”; prompt on “books by Italo Calvino”

As a set slated to be used in California Cup next semester, HFT's "creative collegiate" answerlines like this concern me in that I'm not sure the lessons of previous years have been fully internalized. This is the type of answerline that should only be presented to an exclusively high school audience at NASAT. If on a winter’s night a traveler is a hard enough answerline even for pretty good teams; adding flourishes like the above only serves to suppress end conversion rates, deeply confuses newer high school teams, and generally serves only as an outlet for the writer's desire for creativity. I totally understand that desire, but at the level you're writing for, even for "upper tier" high school teams, you *must* subordinate that desire to the mandate for a good playing experience that goes beyond the top 10 teams. This applies to the "jury selection" tossup too; an answerline like that can be fantastic for a college set, but for a high school set, it might be better to just toss up "jury" using many of the same clues. Otherwise, you're liable to just muddle the meaning for teams that are inexperienced in the vagaries of college sets.

The trap of indulging only top teams is one that HFT has fallen into too frequently in the past, and I hope that Harvard's writers take my advice to heart and ease up on the difficulty and work on clarity before unnecessary creativity. Even if you were intending to write a regular+ set, then having an answerline like If on a winter’s night a traveler should itself fill that niche.

[Rather Wild Indeed]

17. In one of these works, a character has an encounter with Madame Miyagi while actually pursuing her daughter Makiko. Ermes Marana translated several of these works, and Professor Uzzi-Tuzii helps translate one of them from the country of Cimmeria. Silas (*) Flannery writes one of these works, and they have titles like Outside the town of malbork. Ludmilla assists You in discovering these works after You, the Reader, only manage to read the first chapter of them. The first of these works shares a title with the larger novel itself. For 10 points, name these works that form every other chapter of Italo Calvino’s most famous novel.
ANSWER: books in Italo Calvino’s If on a winter’s night a traveler (accept anything indicating the books contained in the plot of If on a winter’s night a traveler; accept first chapters or novels or any other reasonable synonyms in place of “books”; prompt on just “If on a winter’s night a traveler” by asking “We need a group of works, not just the frame story.”; prompt on “books by Italo Calvino”

As a set slated to be used in California Cup next semester, HFT's "creative collegiate" answerlines like this concern me in that I'm not sure the lessons of previous years have been fully internalized. This is the type of answerline that should only be presented to an exclusively high school audience at NASAT. If on a winter’s night a traveler is a hard enough answerline even for pretty good teams; adding flourishes like the above only serves to suppress end conversion rates, deeply confuses newer high school teams, and generally serves only as an outlet for the writer's desire for creativity. I totally understand that desire, but at the level you're writing for, even for "upper tier" high school teams, you *must* subordinate that desire to the mandate for a good playing experience that goes beyond the top 10 teams. This applies to the "jury selection" tossup too; an answerline like that can be fantastic for a college set, but for a high school set, it might be better to just toss up "jury" using many of the same clues. Otherwise, you're liable to just muddle the meaning for teams that are inexperienced in the vagaries of college sets.

The trap of indulging only top teams is one that HFT has fallen into too frequently in the past, and I hope that Harvard's writers take my advice to heart and ease up on the difficulty and work on clarity before unnecessary creativity. Even if you were intending to write a regular+ set, then having an answerline like If on a winter’s night a traveler should itself fill that niche.

I agree with some of what Ankit said here. This tossup would be insanely hard for anyone, especially for those who are unfamiliar with the book (so basically most high-schoolers). That being said, I have a few problems with the tossup itself. Firstly, the question is a bit unclear as to what exactly it wants; I feel like I was a little robbed of a power because even though I have read the book and recognized the clues as being from If on a Winter's Night a Traveler, I had no idea what to say once I buzzed in. Secondly, I think the answerline needs to be a lot more lenient. I buzzed in with "parts of If on a Winter's Night a Traveler and was prompted. I feel as if my answer should have been acceptable or at the very least there needed to be a more informative prompt. Overall, I liked the question - it was creative and fun after I got over the weird prompt but the two issues combined with the difficulty of the question itself makes the question almost impossible for much of the field at a tournament not consisting entirely of good teams.

[UlyssesInvictus]

Ankit, I appreciate the feedback, but right now to me it feels like the cherrypicked nature of a (literally titled) specific question thread is causing these specific answerlines to stand out far more than they do in a real set. I acknowledge that based on in-game and direct player feedback the Calvino tossup definitely needs to be reworked, but I think implying the same about the jury tossup willfully disregards the feedback in this thread. Every player in this thread who's mentioned the tossup has said they enjoyed it: do you think it would have nearly inspired as much appreciation if it were edited down?

More broadly, I disagree that these are questions that work at the "college" level and not the high school one. I did not choose answerlines like this because I needed to indulge some creative license from the vagaries of a college set: I chose them because, simply put, I think they are more fun to play at any level.

When every answer is the same, you go on autopilot and start rote associating words to other words. When you have to actually treat a question like a sentence and not just a series of words you recognize, you're actively engaging with the question. This isn't something you have to be particularly experienced in quizbowl to do: if the question is edited well, then as a player you should feel like you're just being actively informed about something. Whether or not HFT in particular does that editing well can be debated, but it's aside from the general question of what "fun" quizbowl means.

To circle back to the original point, yes, I'm sure as a player you'd get exhausted if literally every question were just a new brainteaser some college writer tossed up because they wanted to test themselves on high schoolers. But that's (albeit subjectively) not the case for HFT! Most of the answerlines are your standard "To the Lighthouse," "velocity," "War of the Spanish Succession" that players are used to: interesting questions are used sparingly to make players pay attention to the boring ones.

[UlyssesInvictus]

To circle more back to the Calvino, I pretty much agree with everything Rishi said in minute. It's unfortunate, since I think the original writer's idea was very creative and wouldn't be as usable in a different format, but we will probably have to just make the answerline Traveler in specific. I'll consider ways we can approach this and keep the question relevant to the player.

[i never see pigeons in wheeling]

Ankit, I appreciate the feedback, but right now to me it feels like the cherrypicked nature of a (literally titled) specific question thread is causing these specific answerlines to stand out far more than they do in a real set. I acknowledge that based on in-game and direct player feedback the Calvino tossup definitely needs to be reworked, but I think implying the same about the jury tossup willfully disregards the feedback in this thread. Every player in this thread who's mentioned the tossup has said they enjoyed it: do you think it would have nearly inspired as much appreciation if it were edited down?

More broadly, I disagree that these are questions that work at the "college" level and not the high school one. I did not choose answerlines like this because I needed to indulge some creative license from the vagaries of a college set: I chose them because, simply put, I think they are more fun to play at any level.

When every answer is the same, you go on autopilot and start rote associating words to other words. When you have to actually treat a question like a sentence and not just a series of words you recognize, you're actively engaging with the question. This isn't something you have to be particularly experienced in quizbowl to do: if the question is edited well, then as a player you should feel like you're just being actively informed about something. Whether or not HFT in particular does that editing well can be debated, but it's aside from the general question of what "fun" quizbowl means.

To circle back to the original point, yes, I'm sure as a player you'd get exhausted if literally every question were just a new brainteaser some college writer tossed up because they wanted to test themselves on high schoolers. But that's (albeit subjectively) not the case for HFT! Most of the answerlines are your standard "To the Lighthouse," "velocity," "War of the Spanish Succession" that players are used to: interesting questions are used sparingly to make players pay attention to the boring ones.

I think you would misunderstand what I'm asserting if you gathered that I just want you to use "standard answerlines." I'm not advocating that at all. In CALI, I put a tossup on the "assassination of Julius Caesar" drawing only on clues from the Shakespeare play, for instance, because I thought it would be more interesting than the millionth tossup on the play Julius Caesar. I also strove as much as possible to make it clear what the question wanted. I definitely liked the idea of "jury selection" and thought much of the clue selection was great. The reason it ends up being not as great for newer teams is because it as an answerline doesn't lend itself to clarity--think about the clue surrounding the words "result of this process," which would lead knowledgeable people listening at game speed to jump to the answer of "trial," even if retrospectively it becomes more clear that it was jury selection. My point is that often, you can use many of the same clues for a simpler answerline, which might lead to a better experience for lower tier teams, and if you are using a more convoluted answerline, as is sometimes desirable, then it becomes particularly important to ensure that every clue points directly to the answer at game speed.

edit: grammar

[The Sawing-Off of Manhattan Island]

This is partially because I was being silly at the time and not thinking straight, but I thought the bonus part on classes lent itself to be answered by "new" (though I know the clue about the CSS part disqualified that). Still, I feel like mentioning "new" in the question might help players understand a part I found a bit hard to parse as-is.

[slumpgod]

Could I see the tossups for "Lose Yourself" (Eminem Song) and "Cristiano Ronaldo"? These were both afternoon round questions.

[AGoodMan]

Could I see the tossups for "Lose Yourself" (Eminem Song) and "Cristiano Ronaldo"? These were both afternoon round questions.

7. The singer for this song annotated it on Genius discussing a rhyme between “father” and “daughter” and a reference to the actor Mekhi Phifer. The outro to this song states, “You can do anything you set your mind to,” and various lyrics in it mention going “back to the lab again” and an opportunity that comes (*) “once in a lifetime.” This song describes B-Rabbit’s “choking” in a certain competition, and it illustrates nervousness with vomit on a sweater and sweaty palms. This rap song that opens asking “if you had one shot” was made for its singer’s film 8 Mile. For 10 points, name this song by Eminem.
ANSWER: “Lose Yourself” <Kuang>

8. In the 2006 World Cup, this man was controversially caught on camera winking during a game against England. In a game against FC Porto, he scored a long-range goal from 40 yards out, which won him the inaugural FIFA Puskas Award, and along with Karim Benzema and Gareth Bale, he forms the (*) “BBC” attacking trio of his current club as of 2017. In 2009, this man left Manchester United for a then-world record 80 million euros to go to his current Spanish club. Often thought to be the archrival of Lionel Messi, for 10 points, name this Portuguese soccer player who plays for Real Madrid.
ANSWER: Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro (accept CR7; prompt on just Ronaldo) <Suh>

[RicardoDA]

As another example of a "college-level" answerline (according to Raynor, our moderator for that round), but in contrast to the Calvino tossup, I felt the tossup about "the death of Garcia Lorca" was well executed. Garcia Lorca is accessible at the high school level (more than Calvino, at least), and I felt the giveaway made it more clear what the question was asking for.

[AGoodMan]

As another example of a "college-level" answerline (according to Raynor, our moderator for that round), but in contrast to the Calvino tossup...

Just wanted to point out that the Calvino tossup has been edited to just ask for If on a winter's night.

[InfinitePeng]

This isn't really a complaint but I recall that the question about the United Fruit Company and banana republics didn't prompt when my team buzzed in and said fruit so we got it incorrect.Any reason for that? I feel like that answer should have definitely should have been prompted on.

[UlyssesInvictus]

This isn't really a complaint but I recall that the question about the United Fruit Company and banana republics didn't prompt when my team buzzed in and said fruit so we got it incorrect.Any reason for that? I feel like that answer should have definitely should have been prompted on.

No reason we can't add a prompt for that--I think. I don't have the exact text on hand, the original wording may have been very specific that the term needed was "banana" (i.e. if you buzzed after something like "[these] republics," "fruit" would be unambiguously wrong). OTOH, if you were buzzing on a description of UFC, yeah, fruit would be promptable.

[AGoodMan]

This isn't really a complaint but I recall that the question about the United Fruit Company and banana republics didn't prompt when my team buzzed in and said fruit so we got it incorrect.Any reason for that? I feel like that answer should have definitely should have been prompted on.

No reason we can't add a prompt for that--I think. I don't have the exact text on hand, the original wording may have been very specific that the term needed was "banana" (i.e. if you buzzed after something like "[these] republics," "fruit" would be unambiguously wrong). OTOH, if you were buzzing on a description of UFC, yeah, fruit would be promptable.

I wrote the "bananas" question, and I think it would be appropriate to add a prompt for "fruits" before the clue about Banana Wars, after which it would no longer be promptable.

[1992 in spaceflight]

Why exactly does the Christiano Ronaldo tossup requires _C_hristiano _Ronaldo_? There's no other Ronaldo who is a soccer star (and to prove I'm not crazy, I did a Google search of just Ronaldo. Every reference on the first page of Google was a hit for Christiano).

[1992 in spaceflight]

Also, there were a few bonuses that I was not very happy to be reading to a high school audience. For example: the bonus on incest (Seriously?!?) in packet 1.

[1992 in spaceflight]

And the thirty years war bonus: 1. Has a leadin that sounds like it was taken off of wikipedia. and 2. Requires von Wallenstein. You only need Wallenstein, as "von" just means he was a noble. Like with Paul von Hindenburg, we only require Hindenburg.

[UlyssesInvictus]

- Brazilian Ronaldo is one of the greatest soccer players of all time. (Not editorializing: I don't really follow soccer, and even I'm familiar with him.) I'm actually a little amused the modern Ronaldo has completely eclipsed him in google coverage, although it makes sense.
- I get where you're coming from on the sensitive topics issue, but every book mentioned in that question is one that I personally came in touch with in class in high school or would not really see issues with having come up in class (to be clear, the latter category refers specifically to GOT). I went to a pretty well-off high school, but it's not like being in a liberal high school means everyone else's sensibilities are also correct. Arguably, this question deserved a trigger warning or some sort, but it's not a topic that high schoolers wouldn't broach. I didn't not think your point over before including it in the set. (Edit: and I'd appreciate any other specific questions you thought went too far.)
- Thanks for the von Wallenstein fix.

[AGoodMan]

- Brazilian Ronaldo is one of the greatest soccer players of all time. (Not editorializing: I don't really follow soccer, and even I'm familiar with him.) I'm actually a little amused the modern Ronaldo has completely eclipsed him in google coverage, although it makes sense.

I wrote the Cristiano Ronaldo tossup and I insisted on the prompt for "Ronaldo." For most people I'm sure Cristiano is more well known, but the Brazilian Ronaldo himself won 2 World Cups and 3 FIFA World Player of the Year awards. I think that's enough accolades for a prompt.

[alexdz]

Also, there were a few bonuses that I was not very happy to be reading to a high school audience. For example: the bonus on incest (Seriously?!?) in packet 1.

In this case, I'll disagree with Jacob. There are very much topics that should be off-limits in high school sets, but I'm not sure incest is one of them. It's something that is likely to come up in a biology class or in social studies (Roe v. Wade and exceptions for "rape and incest"), not to mention as Raynor said in literature. As long as it isn't brought up in a sensationalized way, I see no reason that a high school audience couldn't handle referencing the concept of incest in literature. Would you have the same qualms about a question referencing a character being raped? Again, as long as the issue isn't sensationalized, I see no reason to sweep it under the rug. Of course, something like graphic depictions of actual sexual acts, incestual or not, would be off limits.

[1992 in spaceflight]

- I get where you're coming from on the sensitive topics issue, but every book mentioned in that question is one that I personally came in touch with in class in high school or would not really see issues with having come up in class (to be clear, the latter category refers specifically to GOT). I went to a pretty well-off high school, but it's not like being in a liberal high school means everyone else's sensibilities are also correct. Arguably, this question deserved a trigger warning or some sort, but it's not a topic that high schoolers wouldn't broach. I didn't not think your point over before including it in the set. (Edit: and I'd appreciate any other specific questions you thought went too far.)

I went over all of the bonuses in the first seven rounds, and looking through them, the incest bonus is really the only one that stands out. I think I let that bonus influence my thinking for the rest of the set, and for that, I will apologize.

[AGoodMan]

We are aware of a pronoun issue in the lead-in of the Baltimore tossup, which has been rectified.

[c*t]

I don't think the von Wallenstein thing got fixed in the version of the set that was read to us, but it's not a big deal. I also really enjoyed the jury selection tossup. Could I see the Appalachians TU please? I'm wondering why Great Smoky Mtns couldn't have been prompted at the Mt. Mitchell clue but I don't remember the rest of the TU.

[AGoodMan]

I don't think the von Wallenstein thing got fixed in the version of the set that was read to us, but it's not a big deal. I also really enjoyed the jury selection tossup. Could I see the Appalachians TU please? I'm wondering why Great Smoky Mtns couldn't have been prompted at the Mt. Mitchell clue but I don't remember the rest of the TU.

Von Wallenstein is now fixed. Furthermore:

William Talbot described this feature as “barren rocks” in 1672, and geological predecessors to this feature include the Ocoee Basin. The highest point in this range is Mount Mitchell in North Carolina, and its other notable peaks include Big Tom and Mount Craig, both in the (*) Blue Ridge subrange. Other subranges in this mountain range include the Black and Great Smoky. This range limited westward expansion of the United States until the conclusion of the American Revolution. For 10 points, name this Eastern mountain range with a namesake hiking trail that goes from Georgia to Maine
ANSWER: Appalachian Mountains <Horton>