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Post by AKKOLADE » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:05 am

Hey everyone,

I wanted to apologize for the delays in getting out new rankings. I'm working on gathering data for the next set and hope it will be out in January.

I had originally intended for it to come out in the first week. Unfortunately, last Friday I broke a vertebra. Fortunately, it's a relatively minor injury that won't require major medical intervention. But, I hurt a lot and it's hard to do too much of anything for too long.

So: new rankings will be coming. It might be a week or two later than I originally expected, but they're coming.

In the meanwhile, I'm going to find out how to make Patreon not charge people for December and will do that ASAP. If I have to issue refunds, I'll do that.
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Post by jesposito » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:23 am

Hope you feel better soon!
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Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:36 am

Here's a complete list of all the tournaments that I currently have stats for. Please let me know if I'm missing any. (Be sure to use ctrl+F - I may not have the name in the expected format, so I suggest searching for the most unique word in the tournament name, or trying the school's host name rather than the actual tournament name in case of an error on my part)

ACF Fall @ NIU
ACF Fall @ Valley Christian
Admiral Invitational
Aggie Academic Challenge
AQA November
AQA October Invitational
AQA Season Introductory
BEARCAT
Beavercreek
Boise State Treasure Valley
Brainbusters Fall
Bronco Bowl
Buena Vista Free-for-All
Bulldog Invitational (SWATA)
C.E. Byrd
Cajun Quiz Bowl
Cal Classic
California Cup #1
Captain Shreve
Carleton Supermoon
Carrboro Invitational
Casey Young Memorial
Catholic League Fall Kickoff
CATT
Cavalier Classic
Cave Spring Invitational
Centennial Invitational
Centralia Autumn
Cerebral Weevil
Charter School of Wilmington
Chiang Mai Invitational
Citronaut Invitational
Class Act Invitational
Classical Prep Semi-Annual Quiz Bowl Invitational
Clemson Tigertown Throwdown
CMFT
Columbia Winter National
Columbian Exposition
Community School of Naples Fall
Cougar Invitational
David Riley Kickoff @ Byron
David Riley Kickoff @ Homewood-Flossmoor
David Riley Kickoff @ Mattoon
David Riley Kickoff @ Quincy
David Riley Kickoff @ Routt Catholic
Davis Classic
Del Norte Edgehog Winter
Downingtown East Experienced
East Palestine Invitational
EPIC WIN
Eureka Season Opener
Florida Gateway
French Quarter Kickoff
Friends Select Open
Gahanna-Lincoln
Georgetown Fall
GINVIT
Give Thanks Standard
Give Thanks Uber
Glasgow Scottie
Golden Eagle Bowl
Grapes of Smath
Hallsville Fall V
Harvard Fall
Henderson Invitational
HFT @ UIUC
Hicksville Invitational
High Central Open
Highland Tech Fall
Holt Winter
Hoover Invitational
Houston Holiday Hoedown
IHOP
Indiana Kickoff
IQBL Fall
Itawamba Invitational
Jan Rademacher Memorial
John Schudel Memorial
Johns Hopkins Fall
Kickapoo Scholar Bowl
KPAQT
L. L. Lewis Cup
Lakeland Winter
Las Vegas League
Legion Memorial
Lehigh Valley Academy
LIFT
LIIIMIT
Louisiana Tech Winter
LSU Spooktacular
Lusher Invitational
MacIntro III
Manheim Township
Marist FIT
Maryland Fall
Maryland Fall at Duke
Mellon Bowl
Miami Valley School Fall Kickoff
Michigan State Fall
Michigan Tech Blizzard Bowl
Mike Hendricks
Missouri Fall
MIT Fall
MOQBA Fall
Mount Carmel Invitational
MS Holiday Hoedown
Mustang Invitational
New Trier Varsity Standard
New Trier Varsity Uber-Competitive
Northern Kentucky QB League
Northern Michigan League
Oklahoma Early Fall
Ottawa SCOP
Philips Academy Winter
PHSAT Competitive
PHSAT Standard
Pioneer Invitational
Plymouth Regional
POET
Purdue Boilermaker Buzzathon
Quaker Bowl
Quaker Fall Nationals
Quaker Fall Open
Ransom Everglades Invitational
Rattler Rally
RIFT @ Rice
Rio Grande Valley Bowl
Rowdy Raider
Russell Invitational
Sacramento Fall
SAGACITY
Scarlet Knight Fall
Secret City Classic
Singapore Fall
Siouxper Bowl
Smithville Invitational
SOCIAL
Solon Fall
South Carolina Fall
Southern Buckeye Tournament
Sparkling City Challenge
Swim 'n Win
Tal Atkins
Three Trails V
Tippecanoe Academic Challenge
Toronto Novice
TQBA Alamo City VII
TQBA Bayou City
TQBA Boomtown Bash
TQBA Greenhill Games
TQBA Hornet Hullabaloo
TQBA Kickoff Classic
TQBA Panther Pageant II
Tri-State Tussle III
Triton Fall VI
UIUC Earlybird
UK Fall
University of Michigan Autumn
Vermont PHAT
Viking Academic
Virginia Tech Fall Kickoff
Washington Fall
Washington High
Washington U Fall
Wayne County League
Waynedale Invitational
WHIT - WUStL
WKU Hilltopper Invitational
Wolfpack Fall
Yale FaCT
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Post by dnlwng » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:04 pm

If you decided to do a Penn Bowl adjustment, there's the UCI Invitational.
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Post by Karansebes Schnapps Vendor » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:45 pm

I don't think I saw Philly Fall on there (http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/4481/)
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Post by nycaqb1999 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:52 pm

I don't see the Hunter SCOP tournament from October, and I believe there are some PPB errors from KPAQT that are currently being hammered out.
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Post by troyharris » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:29 pm

I don't see the PHAT in Essex, Vermont, held on December 2.
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Post by troyharris » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:30 pm

Ah, it's under Vermont PHAT. Sorry, never mind.
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Post by sambrochin » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:37 pm

Do you have Columbia Fall on there?
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Post by dwd500 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:13 pm

Not that it matters much for this, but just to clarify for anyone else wondering - WHIT is Washington High School's tournament, not Washington University. The two schools are about 45 miles apart and are not affiliated with each other, other than regularly providing great staff for each other's tournaments. The similarity in name is only because the town and the university were both named for the same person.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:32 pm

techno wrote:I don't think I saw Philly Fall on there (http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/4481/)
That's the Friends Select Open.
sambrochin wrote:Do you have Columbia Fall on there?
No, because they never posted combined stats and I've yet to try to calculate those myself.
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Post by ykevu » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:34 pm

You might have already accounted for this, but for Bronco Bowl, Westview's PPB stats are inaccurate on hsquizbowldb (showing a multiple of 5 for our bonus points). I can't speak for other teams, but the NAQT PPBs should be correct.

https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament/s ... nt_id=8708
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Post by ppadmanabhan » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:14 pm

I don't see the Brookfield Fall Gathering, which used the Scottie set. (http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/4685/) Thanks!
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Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:15 pm

ykevu wrote:You might have already accounted for this, but for Bronco Bowl, Westview's PPB stats are inaccurate on hsquizbowldb (showing a multiple of 5 for our bonus points). I can't speak for other teams, but the NAQT PPBs should be correct.

https://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament/s ... nt_id=8708
I used the stats off NAQT.com so we're good.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:03 pm

sambrochin wrote:Do you have Columbia Fall on there?
No, because they never posted combined stats and I've yet to try to calculate those myself.
Speaking of this: if you know anyone at the following tournaments who could post combined stats, it'd help me out greatly.

Darien Invitational
VCU Winter
Hunter SCOP
Pickerington North
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Post by High Dependency Unit » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:06 am

AKKOLADE wrote:
sambrochin wrote:Do you have Columbia Fall on there?
No, because they never posted combined stats and I've yet to try to calculate those myself.
Speaking of this: if you know anyone at the following tournaments who could post combined stats, it'd help me out greatly.

Darien Invitational
VCU Winter
Hunter SCOP
Pickerington North
I just posted a combined report for Darien Invitational.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:32 am

Bless you, my child.
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Post by trbenedict » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:42 pm

Pickerington North used Neg5 for stats. I have the link, but it might be not be suitable...teams only played five games, and there were bouncebacks on bonuses but there aren't any bounceback points listed here: https://stats.neg5.org/t/H1UG4L4zM/pick ... -standings

The set used was the Philly Cheesesteak.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:53 pm

New adjustments:

(I can't do math, so I had to redo these)
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Post by tksaleija » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:00 pm

AKKOLADE wrote:New adjustments:

Code: Select all

A Sets	-0.7
ACF Fall	1.88
CNS168C	0.74
DEFT	-0.47
EFT	6.9
GSAC	0.63
HFT	1.54
MD Fall	2.07
MSNCT17	-6.07
Prison Bowl 17	1.09
RMBCT	-1.85
Scottie	1.93
SSNCT17	-0.57
WAO	10.55
WHAQ2	1.04
I'm sure these are questions you get them all the time, so feel free to direct me somewhere where they've already been answered if you don't want to, but I have a couple:

1) What criteria do you use to rank sets?
2) What made you change some scores from your initial rankings that are on the website (i.e. SSNCT was dropped from just above 0 to just below)?

Thank you!
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:36 pm

I'd been using estimates up to this point, since there was a lack of data to do my normal calculations (this is what I do every year).

I describe how I do the calculations here.
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Post by vrohan » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:41 pm

AKKOLADE wrote:Here's a complete list of all the tournaments that I currently have stats for. Please let me know if I'm missing any.
I'm not sure how much this will help you determine many adjustments, if any, since Issa Tournament was a novice tournament run on an A-set (which may be why you left it out) but it did happen and I don't think I saw it on the list.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:02 pm

vrohan wrote:
AKKOLADE wrote:Here's a complete list of all the tournaments that I currently have stats for. Please let me know if I'm missing any.
I'm not sure how much this will help you determine many adjustments, if any, since Issa Tournament was a novice tournament run on an A-set (which may be why you left it out) but it did happen and I don't think I saw it on the list.
I don't use JV data.
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Post by vrohan » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:07 pm

AKKOLADE wrote:
vrohan wrote:
AKKOLADE wrote:Here's a complete list of all the tournaments that I currently have stats for. Please let me know if I'm missing any.
I'm not sure how much this will help you determine many adjustments, if any, since Issa Tournament was a novice tournament run on an A-set (which may be why you left it out) but it did happen and I don't think I saw it on the list.
I don't use JV data.
Excellent; good to know.
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Post by sgoebel » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:09 pm

The A set adjustment seems abnormally small, at least compared to previous years' adjustments.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:27 pm

sgoebel wrote:The A set adjustment seems abnormally small, at least compared to previous years' adjustments.
Yes it does. I reckon it'll increase as the season goes on; I'll check my math before I use it in the next set of rankings, but even if it checks out, I'd fully expect any teams that are ranked highly because of an A-set performance to see themselves fall off the season goes on. Barring strong performances on other sets, of course.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:02 pm

I can't do math. I recalculated the A-set adjustment and came up with -3.60 this time. I'm pretty sure my mistake yesterday was that I had my Excel sheet to take the average of a column of data, but I had not expanded the range of cells far enough. I feel a lot more comfortable with this adjustment and will be using it moving forward.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:02 pm

Fun fact! You can apparently change Excel so it only calculates new values in cells when you tell it to, rather than automatically. This is very bad when you're relying on its automatic calculates to find means, standard deviations, and outliers. :(
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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:57 pm

Okay, I recalculated everything. Here we go.

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ACF Fall	1.99
A Sets	-3.6
CNS168C	0.59
DEFT	-0.47
EFT	6.9
GSAC	1.41
HFT	1.57
MD Fall	1.05
MSNCT17	-4.88
Prison Bowl 17	0.7
RMBCT	-1.43
Scottie	1.93
SSNCT17	-0.52
WAO	10.55
WHAQ2	1.03
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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:00 pm

Everyone that was billed for last month should have received a refund tonight. My apologies for thinking that it wouldn't bill in a month without posts.

The rankings have expanded to the top 100! Patrons can access them here.
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Post by Ben Dillon » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:54 pm

Someone help me out here. Our team appears in the rankings at #37, but I can't figure out which tournament qualified us. The ones I've checked so far don't give us that aPPB, but I can't for the life of me unearth ACF Fall @ NIU. It doesn't seem to be in the database.
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Post by t-bar » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:03 pm

Ben Dillon wrote:Someone help me out here. Our team appears in the rankings at #37, but I can't figure out which tournament qualified us. The ones I've checked so far don't give us that aPPB, but I can't for the life of me unearth ACF Fall @ NIU. It doesn't seem to be in the database.
It looks like the stats were posted on Neg5: https://stats.neg5.org/t/ByBP-tp6Z/acf- ... -standings. Your reported PPB of 21.15 there is consistent with your adjusted PPB of 23.14, though there's some sort of anomaly in the stats (280 points scored in round 9 on zero tossups answered) that's inflating that number.
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Post by Ben Dillon » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:50 pm

t-bar wrote:Your reported PPB of 21.15 there is consistent with your adjusted PPB of 23.14, though there's some sort of anomaly in the stats (280 points scored in round 9 on zero tossups answered) that's inflating that number.
Yeah, that's a problem, and I don't have the scoresheet to suggest the fix. All 280 points for us credited as bonus on 0 bonuses heard will certainly raise the PPB for a team that finished 5-5 in that tournament :)
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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:48 pm

I fixed the issue with St. Joseph of Indiana's stat. Thanks for your honesty and bringing it up to my attention, Ben.
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The official midseason top 100 high school quiz bowl teams are now available on my Patreon. The free version will be posted Sunday around this time.
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Post by Curious Homunculus » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:33 pm

Will you be calculating a set adjustment for MBAT?
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Post by ppadmanabhan » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:48 pm

Thanks! What's the adjustment for CWRU GLRAC?
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:14 pm

ppadmanabhan wrote:Thanks! What's the adjustment for CWRU GLRAC?
None yet. Not sure if I'll have enough data for it or not.
Curious Homunculus wrote:Will you be calculating a set adjustment for MBAT?
Assumedly.
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Post by tksaleija » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:06 pm

Will you be doing rankings for SSNCT?
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Post by InfinitePeng » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:46 pm

Fred this is a really stupid question, but is there any comprehensive list anywhere of stats that you have for tournaments? The one above seems to be a bit outdated.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:07 pm

I'll be posting an updated list of tournaments soon, probably after the next update.

SSNCT: we'll see.
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Post by SirMrGuy » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:21 pm

Why are there two Great Neck South As (36 and 86) in the new rankings?
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Post by nsheidlower1 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:45 pm

^
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Post by Thiccasso's Guernthicca » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:12 pm

I'm going to guess one of them was supposed to be Great Neck North.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:28 pm

have you all ever played starcraft?
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Post by etchdulac » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:14 pm

Where you have Plano East, you mean Plano West.
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Post by dablasian » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:45 pm

Fred do you think the rankings will ever expand to include a spreadsheet similar to the "Overall" spreadsheet in here (not including the roster portion)? You obviously do amazing work and I do not mean to minimize your efforts, but I think a spreadsheet that allows for easy comparison between teams on the same question set/difficulty would be a nice add-on/feature. And if this already exists, I'd love to see it.
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Post by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War » Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:50 pm

Out of curiosity, at which tournament did North Gwinnett get their 26.39 aPPB? I'm not doubting it; it's just that the posted stats for almost all of their tournaments don't have calculated PPBs that I could find, and I was trying to find information on them.
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