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The world's ancient civilizations produced calendars as varied as their cultures. The organizers of the MONTHS TOURNAMENT have classified the calendars of the ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Babylonian, and Persian civilizations under this venerable category. Additionally, the organizers determined that the Aztec calendar, widely known as the "Sun Stone," would be classified as "ancient," even though it is a more modern innovation, as it represents the most celebrated and recognized in a long line of Mesoamerican calendars stretching back to antiquity.

Between them, these calendars have seventy-two (72) months, and that number must be cut down to 64 to create the final "ancient" quadrant of the bracket.

The voting for the final spots in the "ancient" bracket will take place by paired matchups between months from the same calendars, "win and in."

In a battle for the 40th seed, we have a classic rivalry between Olympian gods as symbolized by two ancient Greek months:
  • Anthesterion: This mid-winter month played host to the annual Anthesteria, a major Athenian festival to Dionysus.
  • Thargelion: This spring month contained the Thargelia, a major festival to Apollo and Artemis.
The 49th seed is yet another holy war involving the classical Greeks, in this case Zeus, Hera, and Demeter:
  • Gamelion: The celebration of the hieros gamos, or "holy marriage," between Zeus and Hera took place in this month.
  • Metageitnion: Every four years during this autumn month, the Eleusinia festival was held to honor Demeter, although this festival was not associated with the Eleusinian mysteries.
The 52nd seed matchup is our first Babylonian vote, which implicates both Abrahamic and pre-Abrahamic cultural tradition:
  • Sabatu: Linguists believe that the word "Sabatu," signifying the final full Babylonian month, is related to the history of the word "Sabbath."
  • Abu: This fifth month of the Babylonian calendar was sacred to Gilgamesh, as attested in the only post-Old Babylonian reference to the culture hero.
For anyone who can't get enough of Babylon, the showdown over the 58th seed will surely inspire discussion and possibly controversy:
  • Addaru: Six (6) out of every nineteen (19) years, a second Addaru was added as an intercalary month.
  • Tisritum: The fall equinox occurred during Tisritum, which was known as the "month of the holy mound" in honor of the ground upon which Babylon's original ziggurat stood.
Fans of the Aztec calendar will want to monitor the 60th seed voting:
  • 1 Deer: The thirteen (13) days of 1 Deer were associated with the act of hunting.
  • 1 Flower: 1 Flower was dedicated to Xipe Totec, the flayed god associated with human sacrifice.
And as if that weren't enough Aztec, here's another classic matchup with some "otherworldly" implications for the 62nd seed:
  • 1 House: The trecena of 1 House were seen as a time of conflict between nature and culture.
  • 1 Flint: 1 Flint was dedicated to the "Lord of Mictlan," the Aztec underworld.
The final ancient Greek showdown in this round will be for the 63rd seed:
  • Boedromion: The Athenians held the Boedromia festival on the 7th of Boedromion.
  • Maimakterion: The month of Maimakterion is named in honor of a cultic form of Zeus associated with storms.
And the very last spot, the 64th seed, is up for grabs between two Egyptian months:
  • Pharmuthi: The 23rd of Pharmuthi is when the martyrdom of St. George is celebrated in the Coptic church.
  • Mesore: The final month of the Egyptian calendar, Mesore corresponded to the end of summer before the harvesting season.
:party: :party: :party: Note that, to encourage new posters, voters with fewer than 50 total posts, or whose accounts were registered any time in 2020, will have their votes counted for 1.5 in this and all future rounds. Additionally, all votes (regardless of whether from a new poster) accompanied by interesting discussion or justification will receive an additional 0.5 vote credit. :party: :party: :party:

To vote, please copy the ballot below into a new post and use any reasonable method of identifying your preference (delete the one you don't favor, bold the one you do, etc.). Voting in this play-in closes in two days.

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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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If you're on the fence about anything, or feel strongly about choices, please feel free to discuss in this thread as well!
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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While I can't be satisfied to discover that I am now worth 2/3rds of a person/poster here are my votes
40 seed: hargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum if tisritum was so good why wasn't there a tisritum 2?
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion - winter? as if
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion - an exception to the above guideline, as I assume this would be the month I was born in. Also, Gamelion is friend to children everywhere.
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu - who doesn't love Gilgamesh
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum - TWO Addarus? In this economy?
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower - https://twitter.com/rob_strifeheart/sta ... 7551983618
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint - 1 House is associated with Itzpapalotl, an extremely cool warrior goddess called the "Obsidian Butterfly".
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion - Either is acceptable here, but we love a summer month.
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore - both a spring month, and perhaps the month whose name is most reminiscent of famed Depression-era New Zealand-born Australian champion racehorse Phar Lap--what's not to love?
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
Alcohol good

49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
Demeter seems pretty cool

52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
Sounds cooler

58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
The fall equinox goes mad hard bro

60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
I loved the word flay and I love flowers so

62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
Cooler name

63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
Apparently Boedromion had a "military connotation." Pretty cringe bro...

64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
The end of summer is a bittersweet period but is also gives me cool nostalgia so
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
Not gonna lie, I know like 0 myth, so I chose the winter month here because I like being cold.
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
Almost went with Gamelion because it sounds like "Gamelan" and Gamelan is cool, but Metageitnion sounds almost like some futuristic digimon ("Metageitimon??") and I like the mental image of ancient greeks naming things after digimon.
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
Honestly, I just thought the possible linguistic links to Sabbath were cool (also 0 myth for me thank you).
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
...leap month? Addaru 2: Electric Boogalu also rhymes somewhat with their other intercalary month, Ululu.
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
Flowers are cool but I don't like the mental image of a flayed god. No thanks.
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
1 House, the prequel to 3 Houses. But also, a month dedicated to the conflict between nature and culture seems interesting, even if this is a modern innovation. What kind of festivals/traditions would there exist? Maybe at the end of the month, there'd be some environmentalist holiday where people plant trees to try and bring culture and nature back together peacefully. I dunno.
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
Literally just because Maimakterion sounds cooler.
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
St. George is someone who I've been meaning to learn more about, so I went with Pharmuthi. Also, apparently 2nd Pharmuthi is the commemorates the martyrdom of St. James, and that's my name, so that's also cool.
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Sardorbek Eminov wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:51 pm 40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
Alcohol good

49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
Demeter seems pretty cool

52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
Sounds cooler

58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
The fall equinox goes mad hard bro

60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
I loved the word flay and flowers so

62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
Cooler name

63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
Apparently Boedromion had a "military connotation." Pretty cringe bro...

64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
The end of summer is a bittersweet period but is also gives me cool nostalgia so
Don't lie you just chose the right side.
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I didn't actually intend this!
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:party: :party: :party: To encourage discussion and interesting posting, the organizers of the MONTHS TOURNAMENT have determined that, starting with this round, all votes accompanied by interesting discussion or justification will receive an additional 0.5 vote credit. If you've already voted, feel free to edit in comments or discussion to your initial post. Thanks to Rob Carson for the suggestion. :party: :party: :party:
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Well, first, as someone committed to being anti-Athenian, it is important to note that this is not the "Greek" calendar (as no such thing existed), but that merely of a single somewhat important city state.


40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
One of the days of the Anthesteria festival involved a drinking contest that required downing nine pints of wine as quickly as possible

49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
A good athletic festival is always worth celebrating, especially one attested in Pindar (Olympian 13)

52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
A day of rest versus the original hero? No contest.

58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
Intercalary months are the best bits of ancient calendars.

60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
There has never been a more metal god than the Flayed God, change my mind.

62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint

63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
Maimakterion is the dullest month of the Athenian festival year (as shown by The Sacred and Civil Calendar of the Athenian Year
by Jon Mikalson), while Boedromion contained the Mysteries, which are immensely complex and important.

64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
Alexander died in Pharmouthi (though not 4 Pharmouthi as Pseudo-Callisthenes transmits it, as explained in the wonderfully complex and specific article The Time of Death of Alexander the Great: 11 June 323 B.C. (–322), ca. 4:00–5:00 PM by Leo Depuydt
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
I am withholding this comment to protest the age discrimination against me.

49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
Things that start with "meta" are good. Also, the marriage between Zeus and Hera was bad.

52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
The Sabbath is good, except for the fact that playing quizbowl generally violates it. Actually, a lot of good things violate it, but I'm voting for it anyways.

58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
6/19 is approximately one-tenth of pi, and 19/6 is approximately pi.

60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
I oppose human sacrifice in most cases.

62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
We live in a time of conflict between nature and culture, so we might as well embrace it.

63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
Honestly, I'm not a fan of either of these months. I look forward to voting for the 2 seed, whatever it is.

64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
The end of summer in Egypt would be too hot for me, and this was before air conditioning.
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint2
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore

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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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40 seed: Thargelion
This one is like 10x as fun to say. Easy choice

49 seed: Gamelion
Marriage is cool. Also, given I've already chosen one lion, I should probably give the lion a friend.

52 seed: Abu
Abu just has a clean sound to it, and it doesn't need abbreviations to be 3 letters, which is definitely a plus.

58 seed: Addaru
Nothing cool happens every 19 years right now - we need more prime number ratios for epic combo years.

60 seed: 1 Deer
I support killing deer more than I support killing people.

62 seed: 1 House
Given my previous choice was about fighting nature rather than other people, might as well continue the theme. Plus, it would give me an excuse to stay home all the time (not that I need that excuse right now :sad: ) because it's the name of the month.

63 seed: Boedromion
I don't know anything about the Boedromia festival, but more festivals is good.

64 seed: Mesore
All these Pharmuthi voters are making Me sore.
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40 seed: Thargelion v Anthesterion
49 seed: Gamelion v Metageitnion
52 seed: Sabatu v Abu
58 seed: Addaru v Tisritum
60 seed: 1 Deer v 1 Flower
62 seed: 1 House v 1 Flint
63 seed: Boedromion v Maimakterion
64 seed: Pharmuthi v Mesore
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In the battle for the 40th seed, Anthesterion took down Thargelion, 15-8, indicating that voters care more about Dionysus than Apollo and Artemis.

The 49th seed was won by Metageitnion over Gamelion, 15.5-7.5. Voters did not place much value in the marriage between Zeus and Hera.

The 52nd seed matchup was one of the closest votes of this round, with Abu and its association with Gilgamesh prevailing over Sabatu and its association with the Sabbath, 13-10.

The 58th seed showdown, also between Babylonian months, was even closer; the novelty of Addaru, which was doubled up six (6) out of every nineteen (19) years, was enough to overcome Tisritum's association with the equinox and ziggurats, with Addaru prevailing, 12.5-10.5.

I'm not sure anyone saw the battle for the 60th seed as a close matchup, but I doubt anyone saw it as a bloodbath, either. Maybe, given 1 Flower's association with human sacrifice, they should have. 1 Flower destroyed 1 Deer, 16.5-6.5, in the most lopsided vote in this play-in.

Surprisingly, the Aztec votes were both the most lopsided and the closest; the vote for the 62nd seed came down to the wire and then some, with 1 House and 1 Flint tied at 11.5-11.5. Because 1 Flint got nine (9) raw votes to 1 House's eight (8), however, the MONTHS TOURNAMENT organizers have determined that 1 Flint will advance, which will surely please fans of the Aztec underworld.

The votes for the 63rd and 64th seeds featured four very different months, but two identical results. Maimakterion and Pharmuthi prevailed over their rivals, 14-9.

Congratulations to the winning months. They'll be underdogs in the first round, but with the momentum of these big play-in wins on their side, they might be poised to make a splash.
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