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by vetovian
Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:39 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2016 @ University of Toronto (August 6th, 2016)
Replies: 23
Views: 11471

Re: VETO 2016 @ University of Toronto (August 6th, 2016)

This is the first time we think someone's been injured by an actual quizbowl question. Here are the stats. Something is wrong in the stats for the Round 9 game between Gravon Green's Pokemon and The Ego and It's Property: according to the Scoreboard, there were 21 tossups answered (and bonuses play...
by vetovian
Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:22 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2016 @ University of Toronto (August 6th, 2016)
Replies: 23
Views: 11471

Re: VETO 2016 @ University of Toronto (August 6th, 2016)

Seven people showed up for VETO at UBC today, and we organized ourselves into three teams: FARSIDE: Peter Taming of the Sandshrew: Carlos, Hanson, Mike Master and Charmander: Philip, Amy, Jo This was the lowest turnout in 18 years of VETO in Vancouver. Also, every player was over the age of 30 and h...
by vetovian
Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:25 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2016 @ University of Toronto (August 6th, 2016)
Replies: 23
Views: 11471

Re: VETO 2016 @ University of Toronto (August 6th, 2016)

Imma bring a ragtag bunch of irregulars from Hamilton, some of whom may want to join a team. If there are any openings, or teams willing to take alternates, that'd be awesome. I mean, I don't mind having 7 people on my team, but that can get a bit unwieldy. Maybe this article will help: https://www...
by vetovian
Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:26 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2016 @ University of Toronto (August 6th, 2016)
Replies: 23
Views: 11471

Re: VETO 2016 @ University of Toronto (August 6th, 2016)

There is still plenty of room for teams at the Vancouver site.
http://caql.org/events/veto16.html
by vetovian
Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:49 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VCU Open @ Berkeley (Aug 8)
Replies: 21
Views: 8142

Re: VCU Open @ Berkeley (Aug 8)

I'm also interested in playing SHEIKH. Are any other side events being contemplated?
by vetovian
Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:57 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)
Replies: 82
Views: 36797

Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

The full report for VETO in Vancouver is here:
http://caql.org/results/veto15.html

The stats report for Toronto shows two teams with 7-2 records in the lead. Were there any playoff games, or was a winning team even decided?
by vetovian
Thu May 29, 2014 4:10 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Modern World Tournament - Post-NSC Mirror
Replies: 135
Views: 51085

Re: Modern World Tournament - Post-NSC Mirror

I know this may sound like a punchline to a joke, but I really want this set for the post-VETO party (July 12). How can we get it?
by vetovian
Thu May 29, 2014 3:28 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2014
Replies: 52
Views: 24019

Re: VETO 2014

Now that everyone's had time to plan, are there any teams formed? I plan on going to play in BC-any British Columbian/Washingtonian teams formed? There will be 2ish Seattle teams attending. Shoot me an e-mail at uwquizbowl@gmail.com There will also be a team of UBC alumni, I believe a team of Orego...
by vetovian
Thu May 29, 2014 3:26 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2014
Replies: 52
Views: 24019

Re: VETO 2014

I am just worried about the "Application process". I have never written questions before for an actual quizbowl tournament, so I couldn't email two old packets. What alternative could I do so I can have the opportunity to play? Your best option would be to find teammates who qualify. If you're play...
by vetovian
Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:51 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2014
Replies: 52
Views: 24019

Re: VETO 2014

I need somebody who can get points on bonuses that ask for three Canadian senators or something like that. For VETO in 2005, I wrote a visual bonus asking for Canadian senators, but most teams did poorly on it, even though they could choose from any of them: http://quizbowl.stanford.edu/archive/vet...
by vetovian
Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:42 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2014
Replies: 52
Views: 24019

Re: VETO 2014

We now have an official VETO website, here:
http://caql.org/events/veto14.html
by vetovian
Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:00 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO - Toronto Mirror
Replies: 13
Views: 2825

Re: VETO - Toronto Mirror

A full report from the Vancouver tournament is here:
http://caql.org/results/veto12.html
by vetovian
Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:23 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO?
Replies: 67
Views: 12640

Re: VETO?

VETO will be the usual guerrilla-style tournament and will be held on Saturday, July 23: http://caql.org/events/veto11.html The Vancouver site will be Simon Fraser University's Burnaby Mountain campus. Anyone interested in playing there should contact me at pmcc -at- alumni -dot- sfu -dot- ca . Ther...
by vetovian
Mon May 09, 2011 3:20 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO?
Replies: 67
Views: 12640

Re: VETO?

VETO will be in Vancouver on Saturday, July 23. http://caql.org/events/veto11.html We don't have a site confirmed yet, but we're going to try to get Harbour Centre again. It'll be run in the traditional VETO guerrilla format, with no central editing. This is not everyone's cup of tea, but it is the ...
by vetovian
Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:53 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Accent marks on foreign words
Replies: 36
Views: 8215

Re: Accent marks on foreign words

I'm against penalizing knowledge, even when it's the moderator's knowledge. Unless you're using diacritical marks that are so rare that some word processors might mess up the letter they're marking, it's nice to include them if you can. They might be distracting to many or most readers, but to help ...
by vetovian
Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:01 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO Discussion
Replies: 4
Views: 1364

Re: VETO Discussion

Sorry for the lateness of this response. The VETO packets have been posted on the Stanford archive . My main issue was with the visual bonuses. I get that it's a gimmick and having one in a round is not awful, but having several, much less TWELVE in a packet is absolutely unacceptable. Mother of qui...
by vetovian
Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:23 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO discussion
Replies: 80
Views: 18786

Re: VETO discussion

I'll have more time to discuss this in a couple of days, but I see that a lot of people who went to VETO yesterday were pretty unhappy about how it went. I take full responsibility for the decision to take up Jerry's offer to edit the questions. Now, first, it is obvious just from looking at the edi...
by vetovian
Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:01 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa
Replies: 71
Views: 21125

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa

Lots of activity here today. Would anyone at either of the Canadian sites object if Brown or some other Boston-area team had a "mirror" of VETO? I think there are enough people in the area who might enjoy playing in some sort of doubles or singles format. I would say that by editing our packets, you...
by vetovian
Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:10 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR
Replies: 80
Views: 9838

Re: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR

I suppose that what I see of VETO and its players is very different from what is seen by people who play in Ontario, because for most of the regulars in Vancouver, it's the only quiz bowl tournament they play in all year. Okay, so I think we've found the root of the issue. See, in Ontario, we're ac...
by vetovian
Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:21 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR
Replies: 80
Views: 9838

Re: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR

I think that multimedia can be valuable when you're looking at fine arts. When you're looking at a picture that happens to have something to do with history, or happens to contain terrorists or an island, not so much. It's just gimmickry; it doesn't add educational or competitive value. You've give...
by vetovian
Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:49 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR
Replies: 80
Views: 9838

Re: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR

Okay, for the sake of argument I'll allow that testing one's ability to identify pieces by listening is a valuable advantage to multimedia questions. And if the requirement were one such question, I'd be tickled, though that would be ten points further out of my grasp. OK, we agree in principle tha...
by vetovian
Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:45 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR
Replies: 80
Views: 9838

Re: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR

you have been given a pair of chopsticks and the head of elisha otis. for 6 points each: Actually, a VETO bonus from 2007 was: given a pair of chopsticks and a box of Gobstoppers, pick up as many Gobstoppers as you can. It'll be July 18, a Saturday. I believe the pack submission deadline is July 2n...
by vetovian
Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:39 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa
Replies: 71
Views: 21125

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa

everyday847 wrote:Why is there no one willing to do what every other quizbowl tournament does and edit?
The short answer is that we all want to play instead.
by vetovian
Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:47 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa
Replies: 71
Views: 21125

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa

I note with more than a little dismay that my suggestions for actually editing this tournament aren't going to be acted upon. Well, we haven't been able to find an editor for all the packets. I hope that with some of the packets being edited by others, players' overall VETO experience should be imp...
by vetovian
Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:40 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR
Replies: 80
Views: 9838

Re: VETO 2009 SW ONTARIO MIRROR

I just started another topic with more details about VETO (all three sites), here . Also remember that the actual VETO tournament is being held and hosted in Vancouver, and there's another mirror in Ottawa, I don't think that variance across sites, intended or not, is out of the question. Can you cl...
by vetovian
Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:15 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa
Replies: 71
Views: 21125

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa

GETTING TO VANCOUVER By road, Vancouver is about: 3 hours from Seattle; 9 hours from Eugene, Oregon; 18 hours from Berkeley, California; 24 hours from Irvine, California, or Las Vegas, Nevada; 39 hours from Tulsa, Oklahoma, or Chicago; 60 hours from Fairbanks. Vancouver International Airport is a p...
by vetovian
Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:06 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa
Replies: 71
Views: 21125

ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO 7/18/2009 in Vancouver, Hamilton, Ottawa

Eleventh Annual VANCOUVER ESTIVAL TRIVIA OPEN plus Ontario mirrors in HAMILTON and OTTAWA SATURDAY, JULY 18, 2009 The Vancouver Estival Trivia Open (VETO) is the nation's longest-running annual quiz bowl tournament. There will be two mirrors in Ontario: one at McMaster University in Hamilton, and th...
by vetovian
Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:23 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Language rules
Replies: 29
Views: 4016

Re: Language rules

Victor Eremita wrote: Wouldn't a national tournament have far more resources and people available to resolve the protest?
Yes, but it's also where the stakes are highest.
by vetovian
Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:00 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Language rules
Replies: 29
Views: 4016

Re: Language rules

In the end, an English response in the French game was accepted, yes? Yes, but I think only for the same reason that in a game in English, an answer of "acide, désoxyribonucléique" would be accepted by game officials who don't know any French: that particular answer would actually fit NAQT's rules ...
by vetovian
Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:43 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Language rules
Replies: 29
Views: 4016

Re: Language rules

Ben can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard from other graduates, the University of Ottawa is a bilingual institution to such a degree that in every class, students can choose to take their tests in either of the official languages. (I don't know if there are other universities in Cana...
by vetovian
Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:36 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Canadian Quizbowl
Replies: 28
Views: 4176

Re: Canadian Quizbowl

I still want to discuss this playoff format we used for VETO. Jerry calls it "a completely unjustifiable (that is, if your goal is to crown a legitimate champion) finals format" and says that "it's pretty obvious to anyone who thinks about it that the advantaged playoff is the fairest finals format"...
by vetovian
Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:29 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Canadian Quizbowl
Replies: 28
Views: 4176

Re: Canadian Quizbowl

I'd encourage people who are interested in VETO's history to look at the reports I've written every year (for the Vancouver site) since the first one in 1999. These reports are linked from the CAQL results page . You freely admit that most of the people who play VETO don't have much experience. So w...
by vetovian
Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:00 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008
Replies: 23
Views: 3973

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008

Full results in Vancouver are now available.

The question packets are now being collected to be sent to the Stanford archive.
by vetovian
Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:02 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008
Replies: 23
Views: 3973

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008

What does CBI do that what I've posted appears to mimic? It's not an exact mimic, but go look up CBI's "Final Four" system used at nationals. Maybe the question "Why would you ever want to mimic CBI?" was intended to be ironic, but in case it wasn't, there's no getting around the fact that ACF, NAQ...
by vetovian
Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:40 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008
Replies: 23
Views: 3973

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008

This playoff system, as set up, excessively punishes teams for losing to the top teams in the tournament because it perversely ignores teams' losses to teams that are not the top teams in the tournament. The fact remains that UBC B lost two games to teams that were, by record, inferior to them, whi...
by vetovian
Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:33 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008
Replies: 23
Views: 3973

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008

dtaylor4 wrote:Two points:

1) Under the system you used, you're still double-counting a random game, which is stupid.
In a way, yes. But that game is the one between the two teams that make the finals.
dtaylor4 wrote:2) Why would you ever want to mimic CBI?
What does CBI do that what I've posted appears to mimic?
by vetovian
Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:25 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008
Replies: 23
Views: 3973

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008

Round-robin: 6 - 1 B2B (Bruce, Brock, Mischa, Martin, Flavia) 5 - 2 UBC B (Zarya, Trevor, Tex, Angie) ... Since UBC B had beaten B2B in the round-robin, UBC B would have to beat B2B only once, but B2B would have to beat UBC B twice. I really don't understand this. Is this some kind of Canadian Fina...
by vetovian
Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:29 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008
Replies: 23
Views: 3973

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008

Here are the quick results from yesterday's VETO at UBC. Round-robin: 6 - 1 B2B (Bruce, Brock, Mischa, Martin, Flavia) 5 - 2 UBC B (Zarya, Trevor, Tex, Angie) 4 - 3 UBC C (Brendan, Michael, Daniel) 4 - 3 UBC A (Mike, Jimmy, Paul) 3 - 4 Junta (Bad Horse, Wilbur, Hammer, Buford) 3 - 4 Oregon (Phil, Am...
by vetovian
Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:48 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008
Replies: 23
Views: 3973

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008

The Vancouver location has moved from SFU to UBC. I've edited the announcement to reflect the change. The reason for the move is that UBC is a more convenient location for most of the regular VETO players. But it's also closer to all the other events I mentioned that might entice you to come to Vanc...
by vetovian
Wed May 14, 2008 3:30 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008
Replies: 23
Views: 3973

ANNOUNCEMENT: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto, 7/19/2008

VETOX Tenth Annual VANCOUVER ESTIVAL TRIVIA OPEN plus Sixth Annual VETO'S EASTERN TRIVIA OPEN in TORONTO SATURDAY, JULY 19, 2008 The Vancouver Estival Trivia Open (VETO) is the nation's longest-running annual quiz bowl tournament. Again, there will be a mirror in Toronto, and a championship match v...
by vetovian
Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:33 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: VETO Critique
Replies: 49
Views: 17764

I haven't been checking this website recently, and nobody told me about this discussion. I see that some people here have asked about me. I'm sorry I didn't find this discussion earlier. In answer to one of Jerry's questions, yes, some of us do enjoy VETO's questions, or some of them, "non-ironicall...
by vetovian
Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:21 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Saturday, June 30, 2007: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto
Replies: 4
Views: 3562

Results in Vancouver (click here) : We played a double round-robin with no playoffs. 1. UBC Pseudo (7 - 1) 2. UBC (4 - 4) 3. FARSIDE (4 - 4) 4. SFU Junta (3 - 5) 5. Jumper (2 - 6) UBC Pseudo kept the title it won last year, and then played in the Trans-Canada Championship Match against "Consolation...
by vetovian
Tue May 22, 2007 4:21 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Saturday, June 30, 2007: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto
Replies: 4
Views: 3562

Saturday, June 30, 2007: VETO in Vancouver and Toronto

Ninth Annual VANCOUVER ESTIVAL TRIVIA OPEN plus Fifth Annual VETO'S EASTERN TRIVIA OPEN in TORONTO and Seventh TRANS-CANADA CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH SATURDAY, JUNE 30, 2007 The Vancouver Estival Trivia Open (VETO) is the nation's longest-running annual quiz bowl tournament. Again, there will be a mirror i...
by vetovian
Thu May 03, 2007 4:00 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Stuff that is not related to Ghetto Warz or Moon Pie
Replies: 63
Views: 26757

When I say that "we've established," I mean that the people who actually know two shits about writing questions and editing tournaments have established. I don't poll the populace to find out if they think evolution or the Big Bang is true, and I sure as shit am not going to poll the field of a typ...
by vetovian
Tue May 01, 2007 4:43 am
Forum: Best of the Best
Topic: How to Write Questions
Replies: 29
Views: 45348

If these guidelines are intended to be read by new players, I think we need to define terms that are in common use among us but may not have an obvious meaning to the uninitiated. "Pyramidality" is such a term, and so Jerry gave a nice definition of it in the original post here. But an undefined ter...
by vetovian
Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:45 pm
Forum: Best of the Best
Topic: How to Write Questions
Replies: 29
Views: 45348

it is difficult to write a GOOD question on rivers, [...] 90% of the clues most people include are almanac crap no one cares about. I find this surprising, because rivers are one thing I find it easy to write tossups about: where they start, where they end, their tributaries, any dams or waterfalls...
by vetovian
Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:40 pm
Forum: Best of the Best
Topic: How to Write Questions
Replies: 29
Views: 45348

I'll have more to say about the guide later, but there's one little thing that I've asked about elsewhere on this forum and got no answer: The giveaway is self-explanatory. It should contain the most famous bit of information about whatever the answer is. Paul and Seth's primer says essentially the ...
by vetovian
Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:42 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Format of science questions
Replies: 58
Views: 23110

...That is a good example because it shows where we disagree on our tastes. I don't think there is anything wrong with your question as written, but my own quizbowl aesthetic prefers the question that came up in the SCT. Okay. Why? How can you reconcile that with your stated preference? The "What p...
by vetovian
Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:40 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Format of science questions
Replies: 58
Views: 23110

OK, if you want to provide such background material in the future, it might be a good idea to link to a page that actually describes Richard Feynman's ideas on the philosophy of science, rather than a page with some anecdotes about Feynman that have nothing to do with the discussion. It might also ...
by vetovian
Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:49 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Format of science questions
Replies: 58
Views: 23110

In physics problem sets, one is typically given some description of some physical setup and asked to calculate something or other. But, see, here's the thing. Quiz bowl science != actual "academic" science. I'd like to pretend I'm a scientist, and I haven't done a physics problem set in almost thre...