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by wte80
Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:26 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

Statement A is not a fact about reality.
by wte80
Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:11 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

I can't agree that conceptual knowledge of mathematics is more meaningful than any actual application of those concepts. The applications are facts or models of facts about reality, or at least can be so, although I recognize that computation questions are sometimes posed without any real-world cont...
by wte80
Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:53 am
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

Walker, here is another thing you should read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics I'd like to know exactly which school you adhere to. It seems like you currently have the view of formalism, like David Hilbert. Then again, I am not a philosopher so I could be totally wrong. Actu...
by wte80
Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:52 am
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

Math computation questions do often test who can solve a given problem the quickest. However, the assertion that ability to perform math efficiently and quickly somehow does not reflect mathematical knowledge seems a bit absurd. If (deeper (as regards the specific topic(s) covered by the problem)) ...
by wte80
Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:19 am
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

Touko Kettunen wrote:Ancient Greece already happened.
I'm sensing a distinct lack of argument for how math is now somehow divorced from its purposes, just an argument that "oh, so-di-so was discovered/invented a while back."
by wte80
Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:08 am
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

I'm sympathetic to the notion that computation demonstrates a mathematical understanding outside of what quizbowl usually tests (a position I once erroneously held) and we can get into a protracted discussion of the purpose or role of mathematics (which itself may be a question wrongly asked), but ...
by wte80
Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:51 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

The real bedrock of mathematics and mathematical understanding isn't computation it's the theorems. It's infinitely more important for a budding mathematician to be able to connect concepts and prove theorems than it is to be able to quickly compute integrals, derivatives, etc.. The only reason mat...
by wte80
Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:47 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

If (deeper (as regards the specific topic(s) covered by the problem)) mathematical knowledge is NOT the basis of (greater) computational ability, what is? Yeah, this is faulty. Computational ability does not require a high level of understanding! If I know how to differentiate using the limit-based...
by wte80
Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:38 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

Math computation questions do often test who can solve a given problem the quickest. However, the assertion that ability to perform math efficiently and quickly somehow does not reflect mathematical knowledge seems a bit absurd. If (deeper (as regards the specific topic(s) covered by the problem)) m...
by wte80
Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:57 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

Knowing that the derivative is the rate of change is helpful if, and only if, you can successfully apply that concept. While you can't very well apply a concept you don't know, a mathematical concept which you can't apply correctly is a nice meaningless fact.
by wte80
Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:52 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

Conceptual physics questions are, I'll agree, less trivial, as they still test meaningful, if less exact, knowledge of what will happen in a given circumstance. Conceptual mathematics questions, though, are purely trivial in almost all cases. Knowing a concept but having no clue how to apply it is p...
by wte80
Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:22 pm
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Re: Computational Mathematics

High school quizbowl has moved towards including more conceptual math as time goes on, which is an increase in focus on mathematics. Mathematics is essential (and accessible), and quizbowl agrees with you (else we wouldn't be moving this way). However, conceptual math is much better at testing whet...
by wte80
Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:19 am
Forum: Theory
Topic: Computational Mathematics
Replies: 56
Views: 24480

Computational Mathematics

There have been plenty of arguments made as to why computational math is a poor topic for quiz bowl. That said, being able to do math is essential to a wide range of other studies. For that reason, mathematics are a major chunk of any child's education, and rightly so. To leave such essential (and i...
by wte80
Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:50 pm
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: 2014 nAC
Replies: 27
Views: 10907

Re: 2014 nAC

Buckhorn had a very good squad this year, but probably decided they'd rather go to DC than to Chicago, since this may well be the first time they've taken a team to a national tourney. I'll not speak to why we went where we did and played in the tournament we played in, but I will say that this was...
by wte80
Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:01 am
Forum: High school area archives
Topic: Alabama 2014-15
Replies: 83
Views: 27881

Re: Alabama 2014-15

One teensy little correction: I would not particularly describe Tessa as having been our science person. Picking one thing in particular to label her as knowing is pretty tough, though; as you may have noticed, she knows a large chunk of everything.


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