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by gyre and gimble
Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:58 pm
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: περί μυθολογιῶν/De Mythologia
Replies: 17
Views: 6708

Re: περί μυθολογιῶν/De Mythologia

I think Daoud and Oliver are bringing up a subtly different, but related point, which I also agree with (it was the main thrust of my history post): categories should be written so that they're "accessible" to people who study the material academically. It's inevitable that academic study won't ali...
by gyre and gimble
Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:53 am
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: περί μυθολογιῶν/De Mythologia
Replies: 17
Views: 6708

Re: περί μυθολογιῶν/De Mythologia

My point, which I should have made clearer, is that people should be pushed towards an academic understanding of mythology at collegiate level quizbowl. I don't know whether it's possible for that to actually happen, but I believe (and not merely because it would help my PPG :razz: ) that it would ...
by gyre and gimble
Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:28 pm
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: περί μυθολογιῶν/De Mythologia
Replies: 17
Views: 6708

Re: περί μυθολογιῶν/De Mythologia

I won't be able to respond to everything that's been addressed here, but I do want to point out some stuff: 1. The prevailing justification for myth's traditional 1/1 in the distribution is that mythology is pervasive throughout culture, that people encounter it in a wide variety of forms, and that ...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:14 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Eyes VIII discussion
Replies: 27
Views: 2242

Re: Eyes VIII discussion

In the background of this painting, two trees at center frame a scene of a harbor flanked by several unrealistic gray mountains. The right arm of the woman on this painting’s right, who is in three-quarter profile, was painted excessively long in order to show that woman’s fingers leafing through a...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:59 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Eyes VIII discussion
Replies: 27
Views: 2242

Re: Eyes VIII discussion

Stephen you've written a good visual arts set before, I don't understand how you can't see what I'm getting at, even if you think I'm not being 100% articulate about it. Sorry about the double post, but I wanted to respond to this separately. (Well, "respond" is the wrong word. I'm just using your ...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:46 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Eyes VIII discussion
Replies: 27
Views: 2242

Re: Eyes VIII discussion

*Look, I think a complaint about difficulty is perfectly reasonable. If lots of these questions went dead, then maybe Mike should make the next set easier. But you're trying to find structural issues that don't exist, in order to back up your claim that the questions were too difficult. My complain...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:38 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion
Replies: 90
Views: 21103

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion

Auks Ran Ova wrote:*especially when some of the myth questions contain like 50 impossible-to-phonetically-anglicize Irish or Welsh names, Stephen
Clearly, the optimal solution here is for everyone to go and take a semester of Welsh.
by gyre and gimble
Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:21 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Eyes VIII discussion
Replies: 27
Views: 2242

Re: Eyes VIII discussion

Again, none of my post isn't about how Giotto doesn't have a distinct style. Indeed, I recognized it was Giotto very, very quickly. The problem is the tossup does very little to suggest "Giotto's style" as uniquely applied to the Lamentation. The angels--and many other--clues do nothing to help you...
by gyre and gimble
Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:26 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Eyes VIII discussion
Replies: 27
Views: 2242

Re: Eyes VIII discussion

Mike, I'm curious: What sorts of conversion numbers do you expect when you write these sets? For individual questions, I'm sure the answer will necessarily vary depending on the difficulty of the chosen answerline, but I'm wondering what you would expect for the set as a whole.
by gyre and gimble
Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:49 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion
Replies: 90
Views: 21103

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion

I'd also like to give a personal digital bear hug to whatever wonderful souls picked Amin Maalouf and Cosmas Indicopleustes as hard parts and inserted the "hellburners" clue in the 80 years' war tossup. The hellburners clue was from Maryland A's submission. Amin Maalouf and Cosmas Indicopleustes we...
by gyre and gimble
Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:42 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Eyes VIII discussion
Replies: 27
Views: 2242

Re: Eyes VIII discussion

I'm not at all familiar with the Moreau painting. It's very cool . And yeah...if you're quoting a novel as a leadin, you *might* be writing a bad tossup: clueing a quote from Orwell's 1984 as a leadin is probably fine for a set; clueing a quote from Henry Greene's ~Loving~ probably is not, even for...
by gyre and gimble
Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:09 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion
Replies: 90
Views: 21103

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion

Re accusations of mean-spiritedness in my post: Note that I didn't call anyone a wanker (or, rather, synonyms thereof), nor did I (or Alston) impute anything of Benji or the editors as people, unlike replies to what we said. Let me define "mental masturbation," lest it come across as purely rude, i...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:31 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion
Replies: 39
Views: 9200

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion

I'm not exactly sure what the excitement factor is, but the argument has a passing resemblance to some of the complaints about Andrew's "activist" editing style for Chicago Open 2014 (see here ). There was definitely a stylistic consistency across rounds that isn't always there--maybe this is what ...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:12 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion
Replies: 90
Views: 21103

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion

I'll reply tomorrow to this very mean spirited post Joey reached out to me with this concern (which I'm inclined to believe is not unjustified). I told him: I found your post to be incredibly condescending, and tried to illustrate how your leaps in logic made it that way. I normally try not to be a...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:02 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion
Replies: 90
Views: 21103

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - specific-question discussion

I'll let Benji defend or accept the claims of misinterpretation if he wants to, but I'm gonna go ahead and say that Joey's philosophy post above 1) takes for granted an astounding number of assumptions about the correctness of Joey's own view of how philosophy questions should be written; and 2) is ...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:53 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Eyes VIII discussion
Replies: 27
Views: 2242

Re: Eyes VIII discussion

Great set. I've been spilling a lot of ink in the Regionals discussion thread so I'll just chime in on a couple things: The version of the Hercules-Hydra tossup I played mixed Pollaiuolo slides and with Gustave Moreau slides. I buzzed on the third, misremembered which Moreau it was, and negged. But ...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Eyes That Do Not See VIII - January 2017
Replies: 14
Views: 6688

Re: Eyes That Do Not See VIII - January 2017

Here are the stats from the Stanford site, in order of finish. Most of us played all of the questions, including tiebreakers (for a total of 109). Rahul and Aseem had to leave after 90 though. Stephen Liu: 34/14/22 = 540 Nathan Weiser: 10/4/5 = 165 Aseem Keyal: 3/9/8 = 95 Henry Baer: 3/3/2 = 65 Rahu...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:44 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion
Replies: 39
Views: 9200

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion

I appreciate the points made by you, Andrew and Stephen, and I have no disagreement with you in principle, and while reading your list of clues/answers here it looks reasonable. Nevertheless I cannot shake the sentiment I had (one that was echoed by other players at the site, and apparently other p...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:21 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion
Replies: 39
Views: 9200

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion

I'm curious - is there a breakdown of how much British/Celtic mythology was in the set relative to other traditions? It felt like there was *a lot* in the 13 packets I played, and I'm intrigued as to whether I was right to get this impression or not. Here's the full myth breakdown: Tossups Mesoamer...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:47 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion
Replies: 39
Views: 9200

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion

The first adjective I'd apply to the three weaker categories I mention above would be boring. I can appreciate as a player that much of this was born from attempts to keep things accessible, and often this felt like it was the proximate cause. However, I can count on one hand the number of times I,...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:31 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion
Replies: 39
Views: 9200

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion

Yeah I agree with everything Andrew said. "Quizbowlese" is often necessary and not necessarily bad. I don't understand the stigma associated with it. Also, I'm very perplexed about the Tavora complaint because I specifically made that question about the family for precisely the reasons Will mentioned.
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:26 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion
Replies: 39
Views: 9200

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals - thanks and general discussion

I had a lot of fun playing this, and I am personally very happy to hear that some of Carleton's questions made it into the set, for the first time in a while. Thanks to everyone for writing/editing/proofreading this! Thanks for your packet! But next time, don't submit a tossup on The Yakoubian Buil...
by gyre and gimble
Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:25 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ICT bids
Replies: 157
Views: 40626

Re: 2017 ICT bids

Here's a proposed revision to Brad's suggestion upthread. 1a. If you apply for an autobid, you must lock in your roster as part of your application. This is what ACF does. 1b. If your autobid roster needs to change between acceptance of the bid and ICT, you must obtain approval from NAQT. There shou...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:04 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ICT bids
Replies: 157
Views: 40626

Re: 2017 ICT bids

I do think that furnishing two guest editors (who put in a lot of work writing and editing the SCT set) plus hosting (and staffing!) a large SCT should be worth two bids. Perhaps that should be one editing bid and one hosting bid, rather than two editing bids, if we wind up with another two-guest-e...
by gyre and gimble
Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:47 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals at Stanford (02/18/17)
Replies: 6
Views: 3871

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals at Stanford (02/18/17)

Mike Bentley wrote:Looks like Regionals is the preferred date for the Eyes mirror. I'm not 100% sure I'll be there for it, but feel free to run it without me.
Just confirming for everyone attending that we will be running this after the tournament.
by gyre and gimble
Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:02 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: SCT, autobids, and ICT size discussion
Replies: 131
Views: 43980

Re: Rocky Mountain Sectionals (Boulder, CO; February 4, 2017

We do not currently have such a policy (so teams are free to travel where they wish). In any case, this doesn't look any more exploitative than teams splitting up their A teams to qualify their much weaker B team, except this one may have involved an airplane ticket. Ike That's not true. If Chicago...
by gyre and gimble
Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:50 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Gauging interest for late spring Oxbridge mirror in NYC
Replies: 16
Views: 5471

Re: Gauging interest for late spring Oxbridge mirror in NYC

Might I recommend 16 packets of 21/21? It's the same number of questions, except they would all get used. (Assuming you're not planning to have 24 tossup rounds.) We're going for the same format as last year's MO, with all 24 5-line tossups being played in a game (or a timed format, whichever), wit...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:31 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Gauging interest for late spring Oxbridge mirror in NYC
Replies: 16
Views: 5471

Re: Gauging interest for late spring Oxbridge mirror in NYC

As far as the current status of the Cambridge set goes: The British history and literature are essentially finished, in case there's a wish to start Americanising this set. It would also be mostly playable unamericanised - that's the approach we take with everything regular and above in the UK, and...
by gyre and gimble
Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:07 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: 2017 ACF Regionals global announcement (2/18/2017)
Replies: 51
Views: 34852

Re: 2017 ACF Regionals global announcement (2/18/2017)

I don't understand why you're telling teams to not send questions and then charging them money for not sending questions. We're still letting them send in questions, but giving them the option of not doing so for an added penalty. We're not letting them send in questions for the +$50 deadline becau...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:56 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Chicago Open Date Poll
Replies: 4
Views: 2669

Re: Chicago Open Date Poll

July 22nd is the most popular date for Chicago Open, so we're rolling with that. Unless I am mistaken, the only event on the docket besides Chicago Open proper is Auroni's literature tournament. Please post here if you wish for your event to be added to the docket on Sunday. Sarang Yeola and I are ...
by gyre and gimble
Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:22 pm
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: Continuing to rethink the distribution
Replies: 54
Views: 17308

Re: Continuing to rethink the distribution

So, I'd say the limiting factors are knowledge and ingenuity rather than distribution or norms. We should therefore encourage and praise efforts to reimagine staid history topics in refreshing ways. In that spirit, I enjoyed Jacob's tossup on the _printing_ industry for MYSTERIUM in historiography,...
by gyre and gimble
Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:50 pm
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: Continuing to rethink the distribution
Replies: 54
Views: 17308

Re: Continuing to rethink the distribution

My apologies that this is exactly the wrong place to ask this, but Stephen's post reminded me that "stanford housewrite" has not yet been posted to the archives (and its thread has been archived so I couldn't ask there). Does anyone have the capacity to do that? Eric, I just sent the set to Jeffrey...
by gyre and gimble
Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:57 pm
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: Continuing to rethink the distribution
Replies: 54
Views: 17308

Re: Continuing to rethink the distribution

It seems like this thread is more or less dying down, but I want to firmly reject the notion that European History has "been done." During a conversation pre-CO, I remember Chris Ray saying that European history has been hopelessly over-mined in quizbowl, especially relative to other areas of histor...
by gyre and gimble
Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:33 am
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: A Six-Point Program for Writing Better Visual Arts
Replies: 4
Views: 2348

Re: A Six-Point Program for Writing Better Visual Arts

I agree with all of Auroni's points more or less, but I wanted to comment on one in particular that I think needs some qualifying: Limiting the number of clues about details from artworks, and abandoning such clues altogether if there are none . This point may mark the largest departure between the ...
by gyre and gimble
Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:57 pm
Forum: Quizbowl History Forum
Topic: Greatest Upsets in Quizbowl History
Replies: 58
Views: 35035

Re: Greatest Upsets in Quizbowl History

Chris Ray at Terrapin 2016 is a pretty legendary upset notwithstanding its recency. Great moments involve Chris literally licking his lips as the science tossup in finals 2 was being read before he completely shafted Max on that question, Chris beating John Lawrence to a music question using his "t...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:32 am
Forum: College area archives
Topic: EFT at Stanford, 10/15
Replies: 7
Views: 4521

Re: EFT at Stanford, 10/15

Berkeley A beat Stanford A in the second game of an advantaged final. Thanks for playing, everyone! Stats are available here: http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/3884/stats/combined_%28with_finals%29/. Some of the bonus numbers are a little off because tiebreaker tossups were not accompanied by...
by gyre and gimble
Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:40 pm
Forum: Quizbowl History Forum
Topic: Greatest Upsets in Quizbowl History
Replies: 58
Views: 35035

Re: Greatest Upsets in Quizbowl History

A couple that come to mind are: ACF Nationals 2012, Yale B over Virginia A (albeit missing Evan Adams). Virginia finished the tournament in 2nd place, Yale B tied for 18th. Chicago Open 2012, Dharma and Greg Bums over In Soviet Russia, Tournament Edits You. A team of myself, Mik Larsen, Alex Gerten,...
by gyre and gimble
Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:39 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Preseason Poll 2016-2017
Replies: 27
Views: 12802

Re: Preseason Poll 2016-2017

Why does Penn occupy two spots, and MIT B one spot, in the Ivy League?
by gyre and gimble
Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:14 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Saying Farewell
Replies: 13
Views: 5563

Re: Saying Farewell

Thanks for all of your hard work, sportsmanship, and competition Matt. While working on ACF Regionals with you I realized that, at least during the time I've been involved in the collegiate game, nobody is as competent, responsible, and well-meaning a member of this community as you have been. Also:...
by gyre and gimble
Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:40 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Packet Discount Policy for Chicago Open Discussion
Replies: 57
Views: 21381

Re: Packet Discount Policy for Chicago Open Discussion

The holistic policy would work something as follows: I'm going to set the base fee at $Y dollars. Your packet may qualify for a minus $X, $2X, $3X and $4X discount as determined from a holistic evaluation of your packet- Mike Cheyne's bullet point list is a pretty good idea of what I'm going for. T...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:31 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Packet Discount Policy for Chicago Open Discussion
Replies: 57
Views: 21381

Re: Packet Discount Policy for Chicago Open Discussion

As a side note, I want to caution against overvaluing creativity in question writing. I think there needs to be a balance between standard questions and creative ones, because otherwise it's easy to distort the canon. For example, do we really want a tournament where every tossup on literature in t...
by gyre and gimble
Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:00 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Packet Discount Policy for Chicago Open Discussion
Replies: 57
Views: 21381

Re: Packet Discount Policy for Chicago Open Discussion

I think this is a bad idea. As a person submitting questions, I have no idea what the editors' intended difficulty is or how a certain topic I write on fits in relative to other submissions and editors' questions. I wrote 6/6 for my team's CO packet this year, and I think maybe a third of that made ...
by gyre and gimble
Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:32 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: Preseason Poll 2016-2017
Replies: 27
Views: 12802

Re: Preseason Poll 2016-2017

Stanford A will be myself, Benji Nguyen, Nathan Weiser, and Kyle Sutherlin. Stanford B is TBD, but they do lose Nathan, Kyle, and James Bradbury from last year's team.
by gyre and gimble
Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:40 pm
Forum: Best of the Best
Topic: The 70 Greatest Players of the Last Eight Years: A Ranking
Replies: 56
Views: 29781

Re: The 70 Greatest Players of the Last Eight Years: A Ranki

I'll add more later, but I think Tommy had a much better career than Ted or Dallas and should be ranked accordingly. In the last analysis, Tommy was the consistent second best player on a team that won four titles, and was at various points a top 3 player in literature and science. It seems like th...
by gyre and gimble
Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:30 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ARTSEE 2016: Apologies and General Discussion
Replies: 19
Views: 2333

Re: Apologies and General Discussion

I take a lot of issue with the part of this where you say we should produce a set that is coherent with what is currently known and studied. My point is that certain artists are not studied or represented enough in quizbowl, and I therefore believe that writers should go into a set actively conside...
by gyre and gimble
Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:46 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ARTSEE 2016: Apologies and General Discussion
Replies: 19
Views: 2333

Re: Apologies and General Discussion

Stephen, I am now confused as to whether your objection is: (a) This tournament was too hard because all the art questions were on women (b) This tournament was too easy because all the art questions were predictably on women So which one is it? Does it have to be one of those? My objection is that...
by gyre and gimble
Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:32 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ARTSEE 2016: Apologies and General Discussion
Replies: 19
Views: 2333

Re: Apologies and General Discussion

I however, did not ask a single one of these artists because they are women. I asked about them because they are artists of great value, who are worth asking, who have been under-represented. There is value in pushing the amount of coverage that female and any other marginalized minority artists re...
by gyre and gimble
Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:06 pm
Forum: College area archives
Topic: ARTSEE 2016: Apologies and General Discussion
Replies: 19
Views: 2333

Re: Apologies and General Discussion

I thought this was a decent tournament. I had fun playing it. It seemed to make an honest effort at presenting clues that were important and finding answerlines that are underrepresented. My main overall criticism would be that many clues were not "playable." This occurred most often due to (1) arti...
by gyre and gimble
Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:35 pm
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: Abolish The Mythology Category (Or Reduce & Revamp It)
Replies: 22
Views: 9154

Re: Abolish The Mythology Category (Or Reduce & Revamp It)

Second, if staleness and size of answer space create issues, those issues exist around Regionals level. As others have correctly noted, this isn't a problem at lower difficulties. But critically, it's also not a problem at higher difficulties. ...we should also remember that not every tournament ne...
by gyre and gimble
Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:33 pm
Forum: Collegiate Discussion
Topic: Abolish The Mythology Category (Or Reduce & Revamp It)
Replies: 22
Views: 9154

Re: Abolish The Mythology Category (Or Reduce & Revamp It)

What I think reducing the myth distribution will do is reduce the strain on the content. I agree that mythology has a place, and that there are reforms to be made as it exists. But a major difference between myth and geography is the paucity of the subject material in the former. Geography writing ...