Torrey Pines Quizbowl Database

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Post by sharadmv » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:38 am

I added the ability to have tossups you've searched read by clicking the "Read # Results" link next to the Download one. I also added in the checkbox thing that Justin requested.
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Post by rangaswamy.vivek » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:09 pm

Is there any way we could upload packets ourselves? The database would grow a lot faster if we could do that.
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Post by sharadmv » Mon May 02, 2011 12:10 am

Hello everyone,

I just added the logging in and score tracking features to the interface.

You first have to go to the login tab, then create an account (theres no encryption on the password or anything, so create at your own risk), log in, then read questions as normal. The answer checking system has not been changed, so if you get a question wrong that you should have gotten right, sorry for now. On the right, after the question is over, it'll show who buzzed before, at the same time as, or after you and their score.

Please tell me what you think. It's not the best tested feature, so there will probably be a ton of bugs. Also, I haven't spent much time styling, so it will look ugly for a while.

Once I learn if the system works, I can add cool stuff like leaderboards and other statistics.
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Post by LucasBrown » Mon May 02, 2011 1:40 am

The "Read To Me" section no longer checks answers. It's just timing out.
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Post by sharadmv » Mon May 02, 2011 2:00 am

It seems to be working for me and some other people who have tried it. Is this happening to anyone else?
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Post by Grace » Mon May 02, 2011 4:18 pm

LucasBrown wrote:The "Read To Me" section no longer checks answers. It's just timing out.
Are you typing "buzz" to stop the question before you type in your answer?
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Post by LucasBrown » Mon May 02, 2011 9:56 pm

Dishonor wrote:
LucasBrown wrote:The "Read To Me" section no longer checks answers. It's just timing out.
Are you typing "buzz" to stop the question before you type in your answer?
Yes. If it's relevant, I'm using Chrome on Ubuntu 10.04.
UPDATE: I moved over to Firefox, and it's fine.
On another note--How does the score tracking feature work? It's been jumping around all over the place...
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Re: Torrey Pines Quizbowl Database

Post by Flash Bomba » Mon May 02, 2011 10:34 pm

Yes. If it's relevant, I'm using Chrome on Ubuntu 10.04.
I dunno, I've been using the exact same setup and haven't had any problems.
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Post by sharadmv » Tue May 03, 2011 9:28 pm

Here's a link to a preliminary leaderboard type page before I integrate it into the interface:
http://quizbowl.tpclubs.com/viewStats.php
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Post by Papa's in the House » Thu May 05, 2011 9:19 am

sharadmv wrote:The reason a lot of answers are being ruled incorrect is because right now the answer checking is solely based on whether the input string is contained in the original tossup answer string.
Would you be able to add a way for people to either rule the answer as correct (as can occur on #scobowl) or update the answer line and fix the list of alternate answers (so you don't have to do it yourself for all 24,000+ tossups)?
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Post by sharadmv » Thu May 05, 2011 9:28 pm

I'm going to be working on fixing answer detection.

Just a quick question, does anyone know of an ideal formula for determining the leaderboard ranking? Right now, it's (Average correct buzzes)/(# of correct buzzes) and whoever has the lower score is ranked higher. I was thinking that I should take into account the variables of the category of questions buzzed on and the difficulty too.
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Post by Mewto55555 » Thu May 05, 2011 10:00 pm

Why not roughly divide it up by difficulty and have different leaderboards for the different difficulty levels?
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Post by sharadmv » Thu May 05, 2011 10:58 pm

Hello, just a quick update:

I added a leaderboard to the interface under the tab "Statistics". You can click on a name on the leaderboard to display pie charts of their buzzes.

I also conducted a minor stats reset. This might have removed you from the leaderboard, but you can get back on by playing.
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Post by i never see pigeons in wheeling » Thu May 05, 2011 11:08 pm

sharadmv wrote:I'm going to be working on fixing answer detection.

Just a quick question, does anyone know of an ideal formula for determining the leaderboard ranking? Right now, it's (Average correct buzzes)/(# of correct buzzes) and whoever has the lower score is ranked higher. I was thinking that I should take into account the variables of the category of questions buzzed on and the difficulty too.
Yeah, I think Fred has a formula for the difficulty of sets relative to one another.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Thu May 05, 2011 11:48 pm

It's not a formula so much as "compare teams who played both an IS set and (insert set), find the difference in ppb, take the average, and then go to round numbers."
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Post by i never see pigeons in wheeling » Sun May 08, 2011 10:53 pm

Fred wrote:It's not a formula so much as "compare teams who played both an IS set and (insert set), find the difference in ppb, take the average, and then go to round numbers."
Well, that does count as some sort of a formula. It's certainly better than putting each set on the same level.
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Post by Flash Bomba » Thu May 12, 2011 3:38 pm

Would you somehow be able to put a report wrong subject/change subject feature on the "Read to me!" page?
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Post by Angry Babies in Love » Fri May 13, 2011 7:00 pm

How did I just see this? This is awesome!
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Post by Zivel » Mon May 16, 2011 10:30 am

This is awesome and you are awesome. Many thanks to you from the team.
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Post by MissIrene » Mon May 16, 2011 5:30 pm

We LOVE this, it is a great tool. I have a question though. We can run it fine at school on Firefox, I can run it at home on Google Chrome, but students are having trouble running it at home if they have internet explorer. Are we doing something wrong? Is this something that can be addressed? Thank you!
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Post by Kouign Amann » Mon May 16, 2011 6:47 pm

MissIrene wrote:Are we doing something wrong? Is this something that can be addressed?
Yes and yes. Simply tell your students to stop using that pitiful excuse for a browser, and they should find that many of their internet-related issues are solved.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Mon May 16, 2011 7:16 pm

Prof.Whoopie wrote:
MissIrene wrote:Are we doing something wrong? Is this something that can be addressed?
Yes and yes. Simply tell your students to stop using that pitiful excuse for a browser, and they should find that many of their internet-related issues are solved.
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Re: Torrey Pines Quizbowl Database

Post by LucasBrown » Mon May 16, 2011 8:40 pm

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:
Prof.Whoopie wrote:
MissIrene wrote:Are we doing something wrong? Is this something that can be addressed?
Yes and yes. Simply tell your students to stop using that pitiful excuse for a browser, and they should find that many of their internet-related issues are solved.
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It works perfectly on IE9--try upgrading.
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Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:
the IRC wrote:that post was so ill-conceived
I'll rephrase more politely for the sake of this anonymous group of IRC frequenters. (Note: I very much appreciate specific, person-to-person critiques of my behavior or mannerisms in just about all facets of life. How am I to become a better person otherwise? If anyone has any issues with me, please confront me directly/email/Facebook/actually talk to me, and we can try to work it out. Let's all try to make each other better people, right?)

Rephrased:
"Man, in this modern age, Internet Explorer is a very poor choice of browser. It is demonstrably less secure, less standards-compliant, and less user-friendly than a number of easily-available alternatives. Why not recommend to your students that they switch to a browser like Firefox, Chrome, or Safari, to name only a few of the better options than IE? I'm sure they'll thank you for it one day."
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Post by Matt Weiner » Tue May 17, 2011 12:10 am

Stop posting about browsers.
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Re: Torrey Pines Quizbowl Database

Post by Smuttynose Island » Tue May 24, 2011 10:31 am

Out of curiosity, is there any way that you could let individual users create a list of "favorite sets" or saved groups of sets and question types so that all the person would have to do is select that group and then play rather than scrolling through the list of tournaments and selecting each individual tournament that they wanted? Also, this database is a wonderful study tool. Thanks for making it.
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Post by bag-of-worms » Tue May 24, 2011 3:55 pm

Great tool. It will be interesting to see if this makes teams more competitive in the short term, and makes sets more difficult in the long term.
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Tue May 24, 2011 4:06 pm

Uncanny wrote:Great tool. It will be interesting to see if this makes teams more competitive in the short term, and makes sets more difficult in the long term.
Both of those things have already happened and will continue.
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Post by Charbroil » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:41 pm

Could someone put a link to this under the links on the right side of the www.hsquizbowl.org homepage?
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Post by Charbroil » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:10 am

I'm having an issue in that once I get a question wrong on "Read to me," it keeps on repeating the same question even if I get it right. I'm using IE 8, and before anyone comments, I just got this laptop and haven't had the chance to download Chrome yet.
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Post by I'm a goff (in case you couldn't tell) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:12 am

Charbroil wrote:Could someone put a link to this under the links on the right side of the http://www.hsquizbowl.org homepage?
Done.
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Post by unleashmayhem » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:52 am

Is it a stretch to say that this is the best quizbowl resource out there?

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Post by Sniper, No Sniping! » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:26 pm

unleashmayhem wrote:Is it a stretch to say that this is the best quizbowl resouce out there?
If there wasn't a forum that in itself introduced and has the access to these resources, I would say that it is.
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Post by Rick » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:58 pm

The website seems to be unavailable right now. What's going on?
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Post by samurai » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:35 pm

I'm experiencing the same problem. Will this be fixed soon?
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Post by Marble-faced Bristle Tyrant » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:43 am

Whatever caused it, it's fixed now.
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Post by Great Bustard » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:48 am

Uncanny wrote:Great tool. It will be interesting to see if this makes teams more competitive in the short term, and makes sets more difficult in the long term.
This is a double-edged sword. It's great to see teams getting better, and if sets need to become more difficult to account for that, then so be it. However, I've seen way too many games with low point totals, and firmly believe that this is a major turnoff for many players, especially those who don't aspire to national elite status. If certain sets become more difficult, that's a good thing. But quizbowl could use more novice tournaments and easy sets to make new players comfortable. Having read through the collaborative middle school set the other day, I find that set even too hard for many new high school players. Note: this isn't a knock on pyramidality or even question length. The kids on Ridgewood, almost all of whom are new to qb, love pyramidal questions, but way too many questions are going dead completely - and these are kids who are naturally very smart. Also, whoever writes easier sets should always power mark them - tournament hosts can decide to use powers or not, but in my experience new kids particularly like the concept of power. Sorry for the thread hijack, new players getting left behind in the ongoing arms race (and folks, mark my words, we aren't close to where this race is ultimately going to end up) is one of my personal bugaboos.
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Post by bag-of-worms » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:18 pm

nationalhistorybeeandbowl wrote: If certain sets become more difficult, that's a good thing. But quizbowl could use more novice tournaments and easy sets to make new players comfortable.
Writers should keep in mind that new players probably don't use Torrey Pines.
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Post by sharadmv » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:58 pm

Hey guys,

Sorry for not posting in more than 6 months.
I've actually been working a newer, better version of the website that's getting close to release.

I'll put the link up here when it's done and create a redirect from the tpclubs site, since it's on a different url.
Note that the added features will probably entail a complete stats and users reset when the new site is ready.
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Post by DC1 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:06 am

Hey Sharad, I'll be updating the Berkeley Quiz Bowl site to link to this database - just give me the link when you're done.
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Post by sharadmv » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:46 pm

Hey,

Does anyone know which HSAPQ tournaments that have been released online overlap (ie VHSL Districts and Tournament 17) and which would be considered encompassing? I'm trying to avoid duplicates.
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Post by Matt Weiner » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:14 pm

sharadmv wrote:Hey,

Does anyone know which HSAPQ tournaments that have been released online overlap (ie VHSL Districts and Tournament 17) and which would be considered encompassing? I'm trying to avoid duplicates.
The ones in the same directory on hsapq.com are the ones that share questions.
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Post by sharadmv » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:43 pm

Is it complete overlap or are there unique questions or do some encompass the others?
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Post by Matt Weiner » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:58 pm

There's partial overlap; for example, the last regular tournament set of the spring in each of the past two years has taken tossups from VHSL Districts and Regionals, written a few to fill in gaps, and then written entirely new bonuses.
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Re: Torrey Pines Quizbowl Database

Post by sharadmv » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:55 am

Sorry everyone, the site seems to be down. I'll try to get it up and running ASAP.
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Re: Torrey Pines Quizbowl Database

Post by Luan » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:05 pm

Strange that no one else has noticed this but there quite a few net denizens who enjoy *ahem* screwing with the site. One in particular, "trollmaster", who has a 1.3966 (repeating, of course) word average. You can usually answer a question as soon as it comes up quickly "hitting" buzz then enter again, sending a blank string. I know its not a very pressing issue, but it would be nice if this was fixed.
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Post by sharadmv » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:09 pm

The problem is that I haven't thought of a foolproof way of checking if a question is right or wrong. It's hard to emulate the judgement of a moderator. Any ideas?
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Post by Coldblueberry » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:34 pm

sharadmv wrote:The problem is that I haven't thought of a foolproof way of checking if a question is right or wrong. It's hard to emulate the judgement of a moderator. Any ideas?
From Spanish class: http://quizlet.com/
Basically if you answer a question wrong, they have a small button asking if you are actually right. So if it's possible, you place a button next to submit that says "I was right" or something. That TU can be flagged for review.
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Re: Torrey Pines Quizbowl Database

Post by Luan » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:47 pm

Well you're using GWT right? So then you have to use Java. Are you doing something along the lines of

Code: Select all

String.contains
to see if the answer is there? Could an exception be made for blank strings to automatically return false when querying the database?

Also, I'm excited about this new parser you're working on. If you need some help, I'm sure some of us would be willing :wink:
Luan
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Re: Torrey Pines Quizbowl Database

Post by sharadmv » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:50 am

I thought of using the "flagging" method but decided not to because it would require a lot of work to go back and correct any mistakes the flag will have changed. Flagging would also require a lot more maintenance.

The current site does use String.contains, but the new site will add that exception. The problem with putting in one letter answers will still be there though.

I was thinking of a machine learning approach.
Sharad Vikram
Torrey Pines '11
Berkeley '15
Creator of Quizbowl DB: http://www.quizbowldb.com

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