Neg 5 : Quizbowl for the Cloud

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There shouldn't be any particularly difficult aspect to autosaving. I just haven't had the time to implement a more robust scoresheet saving solution. It's definitely on my mind, though!

(Shameless plug: Reminder that Neg5 is open source, so you have the ability to bootstrap any features you might like to see: https://github.com/mostafab/neg5.main)
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Sometime next week or the week after, I'll be releasing a fairly major update to the phases and divisions UI and workflows. The updates should make it easier to visualize how teams are grouped within pools and are first steps towards incorporating automatic schedule generation into the application. To summarize, the changes are:
  • Bring pools and phases into a single section.
  • Update references to "divisions" to instead use the term "pools", since that's more in line with what they actually represent.
  • Remove the individual sections for pools and phases. Make pool assignment a "drag-and-drop" experience in which the user will drag each team into their assigned pools for each phase instead of separately opening each team. This will make it easier to get a wholistic picture of what the field looks like. Should also work on touch devices.
  • Rename "Configuration" to a new "Pools" tab. Move the rules sections previously under "Configuration" to the "Overview" tab.
  • Allow all collaborators view access to this new tab. Only admins and the tournament director will be able to edit anything in the tab.
It's probably easier to have a visual representation of the update than try and speculate. I've attached a screenshot of what the update will look like, as well as an unfortunately low-quality GIF. As always, feedback is welcome.
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QBJ export from new tournaments seems to have stopped working, so NAQT will be unable to accept individual stats from Neg5 (even if they pass all validation) until that issue is resolved. I recommend that hosts of NAQT tournaments not use Neg5.
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jonah wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:33 am QBJ export from new tournaments seems to have stopped working, so NAQT will be unable to accept individual stats from Neg5 (even if they pass all validation) until that issue is resolved. I recommend that hosts of NAQT tournaments not use Neg5.
Just to clarify, the issue seems to be isolated to a small handful of tournaments, at least from my initial testing. It's not affecting every tournament.

I hope to have a solution by the end of next week. I won't be able to investigate the issue until then, and I'll post back here when things have been fixed.
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The QBJ export issue should be resolved now. Furthermore, I've released the pools UI update I mentioned above. Please first attempt to clear your browser cache if you notice any odd issues. If that doesn't fix it, please contact me.

Thanks!
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I tried to use Neg5 today for a tournament. I had preloaded all the rosters earlier this week. When I logged on this morning, I went to begin entering the round 1 stats and the save button on the match entry screen would not work.
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We have uploaded rosters/scores for our league but now it does not save the stats from new matches. Any guidance is much appreciated. We love the product.
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It appears to be working again, though I'm hesitant to use it again in the near future. Having a bug like this pop up in the middle of a tournament would be pretty disastrous.
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I have 2 league matches that I can not edit. A collaborator got it half way done and now I can't get back in to them to finish them. Everything else with that tournament is working fine. If you can't help me, my only other option is to start over.
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If you could be a bit more specific, I might be able to help. Alternatively, if you give full rights to my account (jrutsky), I will look at the event from here and see if I can figure out what is happening.
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I added you. It is the Unioto and McClain JV matches for round 1 and 2. If you click them, it just says "could not load match". I apologize for this. It was user error, because I didn't remind her the steps.
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Joshua, this is an odd error. I got the same results, and even tried doing a little fiddling to get something back that was more usable. When I went to the stats to see what I could learn, it appears to me that what happened with these matches is that your scorekeeper or your data person who did the entry entered the match DIRECTLY, and not by way of a scoresheet. If you look at the stat lines for matches one and two for those teams, you see that neither team shows any tossups answered OR any bonuses heard, but they have the final score allocated totally in Bonus Points. To me, that looks like someone who didn't know what to do went in to the Add Match dialogue, ignored the individuals, and just entered the scores under Team 1 Score and Team 2 Score. There's nothing to stop someone from doing that; I did the exact thing to make a fictional match in Round 22 between the teams, then deleted it.

Anyway, that's why it looks to me like you can't pull up a scoresheet, but that's only a guess. I am not sure why you can't pull up the submitted sheets and edit the individual scores, but maybe the file got corrupted along the way. Your only recourse is going to be manually reentering the rounds, I'm afraid.
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It seems that results for at least a couple tournaments have erased themselves. Here's one and another. According to my records, those used to be the full results for those events. What happened?
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Captain Sinico wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:07 pm It seems that results for at least a couple tournaments have erased themselves. Here's one and another. According to my records, those used to be the full results for those events. What happened?
Seconding the above: the 2016 Huskie Bowl results are also gone. What happened?
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This is just a bump regarding this program, requesting that anyone who has the desire to make a contribution to the QB community and the ability to work with this programming language PLEASE consider adding lightning round functionality to the program. I have been searching for someone willing to make this addition for quite some time, and have had no success.
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Additionally, I'd love for Neg5 to actually validate stats. Especially that there aren't too many players in the same game and that bonus (and, if applicable, bounceback) points are divisible by 10, but there are a lot of missing validations.

But it really seems to me that this project has been abandoned. The last development activity seems to have been over a year ago.

Without validation, I have to recommend not using Neg5—the stats NAQT gets from it almost always contain a lot of errors, making them unusable for us and unreliable for anyone doing anything (including running the tournament itself).
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Is there a way to turn off bonuses for a tossup-only event?

Also, I tried creating a tournament with both 20 point and 15 point powers. When I go to the scoresheet tab and hit the "20" button it also registers every "20" as a "15". I assume this is a bug. Is there some other way to support having multiple power levels at a tournament?
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I tried looking through this thread to see if there were any instructions for resetting a password. I have my username, but have forgotten my password, and if I try to re-register, I'm told my e-mail address is in use, so I'm out of luck. Any ideas?

EDIT: So of course I just re-registered using a dummy e-mail. Is that the general recourse for forgetting a password?
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On a similar note, Neg 5 doesn't seem to have the ability to edit matches that have already been entered. I played around with entering stats from a Science Bowl meet last year to familiarize myself with the site (being able to run it on a Chromebook really appealed to me), but had to give up almost immediately because whenever I messed up something minor in a specific game and had to fix it, Neg 5 gave me an error message and would not load those games. This meant that I would have had to re-create the tournament again in Neg 5 after every minor mistake, which obviously is not very feasible.

It's possible this is on my end somehow, and since I'm not using Neg 5 for anything important (ie, real quiz bowl stats), it doesn't really matter, but I figured I would mention this here and see if anyone else has had the same issue.
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