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In 'repeat for each match' wrote:Team 1 bonuses heard
Team 1 bonus points
Team 2 bonuses heard
Team 2 bonus points

In 'repeat for each match' wrote:6 0's

In 'REPEAT 16 TIMES' wrote:1 0's

THE FOLLOWING (FOR SETTINGS BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY DO):

1: if "Bonus Conversion Tracking" in the initial setup is "None" then 0, else 1
1: if "Bonus Conversion Tracking" in the initial setup is "Automatic" then 1, if "None" then 0, if "Manual Hrd, Auto Pts" then 2, if "Manual with Bouncebacks" then 3
3: if "Track Power and Neg Stats" is enabled in the initial setup, then 3, else 2
0: if "Track Lightning Round Stats" in initial setup then 1, else 0
1: if "Track Toss-Ups Heard" in initial setup then 1, else 0
2: if "Sort Players by Pts/TUH" in the Sorting tab of Settings, then 1, else 0
254: This is a bit mask for the "Warnings" tab in Settings.  Start with 0; add 128 if the first is enabled, add 64 if the second is enabled, and so on, up to adding 2 if the seventh is enabled, so 254 represents all warnings enabled.
0: if round report is enabled then 1, else 0
1: if team standings report is enabled then 1, else 0
1: if individual standings report is enabled then 1, else 0
1: if scoreboard report is enabled then 1, else 0
1: if team detail report is enabled then 1, else 0
1: if individual detail report is enabled then 1, else 0
1: if the "stat key" for web reports is enabled then 1, else 0
0: if using a custom stylesheet for web reports then 1, else 0
1: if "Use Divisions" then 1, else 0
1: This is the 1-based index of the sort method chosen in the Sorting tab of Settings. (1 is for "Record, PPG", …, 5 is for "Record, Head-to-Head, PPTH")

After Tournament name wrote:4 Blank lines

Then wrote:The number: 1

After 'File suffixes for HTML report' wrote:1 blank lines

Point break downs (multiple (15, 10, -5))

2 0's (For what IDK)

Number of Teams
0 for each team (For what IDK)

snadkarni wrote:Can you export using this program to post in hsquizbowl.org, meaning can we export an html file that we can then upload to hsquizbowl.org?

I was just wondering if this is a replacement program for SQBS because we have a tournament coming up on March 12th 2016 and we have thought of using this as a replacement because it updates realtime rather than waiting until lunch to get the prelims up on the site. If it exports at the end of the tournament and we can upload those stats up to hsquizbowl.org that would be great.

bmccauley wrote:Did this update get rid of the scoresheet option? We used Neg5 at our event and that was one of our teams favorite features, having the ability to just click 10, 15, -5 for each question. I don't seem to see it on the new release (unless I'm missing it?).
Thanks!

bmccauley wrote:Did this update get rid of the scoresheet option? We used Neg5 at our event and that was one of our teams favorite features, having the ability to just click 10, 15, -5 for each question. I don't seem to see it on the new release (unless I'm missing it?).
Thanks!

bmccauley wrote:

bmccauley wrote:Did this update get rid of the scoresheet option? We used Neg5 at our event and that was one of our teams favorite features, having the ability to just click 10, 15, -5 for each question. I don't seem to see it on the new release (unless I'm missing it?).
Thanks!

So it seems that the issue (for me) was in Chrome with the left taskbar not scrolling down and was being blocked by the bottom tournament bar. If you change zoom to 90%, the scoresheet appears if anyone else has this problem.

BlueDevil95 wrote:QBJ Format Exporter
Neg 5's QBJ Exporter is done and can be used to export the statistics to a .qbj file. Right now, this is useful for tournaments using NAQT sets. Summaries of the tournaments can be sent to NAQT using those .qbj files.

BlueDevil95 wrote:I will not be adding to the quizbowl formats that Neg 5 supports. Unless there is a massive paradigm shift in how modern quizbowl is played, Neg 5 will continue to only do the standard 20/20 with overtime tossups without bonuses.

BlueDevil95 wrote:Lastly, I need the community's feedback. I need to know if the changes will help make this a ubiquitous solution for tournament management and, if not, what people would actually want from this type of application.

Our Lady Peace wrote:One obvious change if you want to see this program achieve widespread implementation is to change its name.

randomguy1997 wrote:A minor gripe, but sometimes Neg5 displays a unreasonable number of decimal points for certain stats (like 5.0000000000000000000000009 games played)

jonah wrote:

BlueDevil95 wrote:I will not be adding to the quizbowl formats that Neg 5 supports. Unless there is a massive paradigm shift in how modern quizbowl is played, Neg 5 will continue to only do the standard 20/20 with overtime tossups without bonuses.

It's your project, but I think this is a big mistake.

BlueDevil95 wrote:Lastly, I need the community's feedback. I need to know if the changes will help make this a ubiquitous solution for tournament management and, if not, what people would actually want from this type of application.

I assume support for other formats (timed tossup-bonus, tossup-bonus with standard game tossup counts other than 20, tossup-bounceback bonus with all those variations, alternative power scoring, etc.) These formats account for hundreds of tournaments a year, and that's without getting into ones that would be harder to deal with (lightning rounds, state-specific formats, etc.), which are hundreds more.

Cody wrote:

jonah wrote:

BlueDevil95 wrote:I will not be adding to the quizbowl formats that Neg 5 supports. Unless there is a massive paradigm shift in how modern quizbowl is played, Neg 5 will continue to only do the standard 20/20 with overtime tossups without bonuses.

It's your project, but I think this is a big mistake.

BlueDevil95 wrote:Lastly, I need the community's feedback. I need to know if the changes will help make this a ubiquitous solution for tournament management and, if not, what people would actually want from this type of application.

I assume support for other formats (timed tossup-bonus, tossup-bonus with standard game tossup counts other than 20, tossup-bounceback bonus with all those variations, alternative power scoring, etc.) These formats account for hundreds of tournaments a year, and that's without getting into ones that would be harder to deal with (lightning rounds, state-specific formats, etc.), which are hundreds more.

I agree with Jonah, but I think one simple change would be sufficient in the near- to long-term: accounting for the NAQT format (up to 24 tossups, 3 tossup overtime w/ no bonuses). I don't know how the application is coded, but this doesn't seem like a huge extension to me and it would go a long way towards its overall applicability.

jonah wrote:A note for people using Neg 5 to keep stats for NAQT tournaments: Neg 5's output is currently not useful to NAQT because Neg 5 does little or no validation of input, and so its files tend to have tons of problems. Many examples are detailed here and elsewhere in the Issues for the GitHub project (#18, #20, #21, #26). We hope that these issues will be addressed soon so that input is checked for potential validity and the results will be usable.

Until then, the only stats NAQT will be able to accept from tournaments using Neg 5 are game scores.

cchiego wrote:Given that Neg5 is a giant leap forward for quizbowl in every way except for the stats output at this point, can some kind of collaboration between Mostafa and NAQT be accomplished here? If I have to deal with any more poorly-entered Google Sheets at tournaments, I'm going to go insane. Quizbowl in the cloud is a great idea for stats and helps remove the need for a dedicated stats person while making stats far more transparent during tournaments. But this output issue needs to be corrected.

BlueDevil95 wrote:This past semester I took an information visualization class, which has gotten me super interested in that area as a whole. With the data Neg5 saves, I think there's a ton of potential for visualizations to help Neg5 users, question writers, and teams better understand the information they have. I'd like to make one of my next Neg5 projects visualizing tournament data. This would include everything from standard tournament statistics and could potentially even include scoresheet data later down the road. I'd probably place a bigger emphasis on finding trends within a tournament (stats across rounds, performance of different divisions, etc) and, in the future, across different tournaments (performance on question sets, etc).

Is this something the community would potentially be interested in? I think it could be extremely beneficial (and just a fun project for me). If so, what kinds of questions would be want to be answered in these visualizations? What information would be the most important to extract?

I spent yesterday coming up with a simple example of what I mean, plotting averages for team statistics at the HIT

I'm really excited about working on this subproject. Let me know your thoughts!

AKKOLADE wrote:Is there still not a way to generate a list of all tournaments that are on Neg5? Because I need that for HSQBRank.

Megachile ambigua wrote:

AKKOLADE wrote:Is there still not a way to generate a list of all tournaments that are on Neg5? Because I need that for HSQBRank.

Seconding this request so I can add Neg5 tournaments to my search database.

AKKOLADE wrote:Is there still not a way to generate a list of all tournaments that are on Neg5? Because I need that for HSQBRank.

BlueDevil95 wrote:Well, I can't seem to figure out why AWS won't let me into my server. I've decided to simply just move to a new service for now. Hopefully this issue will resolve itself in the near future.

For now, you can access both versions of the Neg5 app at these locations:

OLD

NEW

If you want to access stats, you'll need to replace the domain in the old URLs to the new appropriate ones.

EDIT: I've also branched out the old Neg5 to its own Github repo: https://github.com/mostafab/neg5_v1

Ent wrote:I have spent the better part of this weekend trying to get on to both neg5 an neg5:3000, and for some reason I cannot get in.

Is anyone else having this problem, or is it just me (which it could be).

dablasian wrote:Have the issues regarding NAQT only accepting game scores from Neg5 been resolved? If not, is it known when those issues will be resolved?

jonpin wrote:My team used the new version of neg5 in box-score-entry form (as opposed to scoresheet form) for a tournament this weekend. On the whole, I really liked it, as well as the ability for two people to each be contributing to stats in real-time from their own computers, without having to separate out brackets or merge files afterwards. I do have a few suggestions, though.

- Right now the front page is just "log in". The about page, any help page, and tournament search are all gone.
- Is there a reset account / lost password option? I thought I was locked out of my account (before I realized that, in fact, accounts had not been transferred from the old version, and I had to create a new one) and there was no way to get back into it.
- Rather than entering TU played by an individual, that box should perhaps be games played, so that if a game goes to OT, you don't need to change all 8-ish boxes to 21 instead of 20.
- The teams' scores should be the first thing you enter for a game. At the very least, there should be nothing in the tab-sequence between Team A score and Team B score. The current tab-sequence went through each individual's line and then Team A score, Team A steals, Team B score, Team B steals, which is very unintuitive.
- There should be separate URLs for direct access to different stats pages, so that if someone wants to link directly to playoff standings, or to individual stats, they can do so.

jonah wrote:

dablasian wrote:Have the issues regarding NAQT only accepting game scores from Neg5 been resolved? If not, is it known when those issues will be resolved?

It's impossible to tell in advance; it has a lot to do with how carefully you enter data (and, in particular, whether you make mistakes that Neg 5 doesn't catch). Hosts who use Neg 5 should send us the .qbj file, but it may still turn out to be unusable.

dablasian wrote:We were considering using Neg5 for the upcoming Secret City Classic on October 21st. However, I read on this thread that NAQT would only accept game scores from tournaments using Neg5. Is this still true or will NAQT accept individual stats if they seem, for lack of a better word, legit.?

dablasian wrote:Additionally, if NAQT ends up deciding that the .qbj file is unusable, what does that mean for the stats from the tournament? Would only wins and losses be published for the results from the tournament if the .qbj file is unusable?

jonah wrote:

dablasian wrote:We were considering using Neg5 for the upcoming Secret City Classic on October 21st. However, I read on this thread that NAQT would only accept game scores from tournaments using Neg5. Is this still true or will NAQT accept individual stats if they seem, for lack of a better word, legit.?

We will accept individual stats if and only if they meet all of our validation rules. As far as I know, Neg 5 does not yet have nearly the complement of validation rules that we do.

dablasian wrote:Additionally, if NAQT ends up deciding that the .qbj file is unusable, what does that mean for the stats from the tournament? Would only wins and losses be published for the results from the tournament if the .qbj file is unusable?

We would ask you to fill in this spreadsheet with the score of each game, and we would post only those scores to our website. You could also re-enter the stats into SQBS, if you want, and we could upload that file — but that's a lot of work.

NAQT doesn't have an official position, but personally I strongly recommend using SQBS until Neg 5 fixes its many issues. (And incidentally I do a large amount, possibly a majority, of NAQT's stats uploading.)