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Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Scott » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:40 am

Well, it looks like the season is finally over, so we might as well start a new topic.
Next year is going to be a great season for Kentucky quizbowl with most of our top players returning.

So here are some topics to start the year off with:
(Some of this may seem repetitive or self explanatory, but oh well.)

ACE
What all teams are going to ACE this year?
With one camp in Kentucky and two others near by, it is a great opportunity for Kentucky teams to get better at quizbowl.
The class list looks pretty interesting as well.

New quizbowl season
Next year is going to be a pivotal year for Kentucky quizbowl.
With an increase in tournaments, the field will likely grow wider and stronger.
As far as discussion goes - how can we get teams that have historically been quick recall teams to become more active in the quizbowl circuit?

Tournaments
It might be helpful to keep a running list of tournaments for people that do not feel like fishing through the tournament sector of the forum.
(Mods, just say the word if this is unnecessary, and I will remove it.)
So...

Danville
WKU
Manual
DAFT
U of L

"Nearby":
Vandy
Ezell-Harding
Rowdy Raider

Predictions
Well, it may be a little early for these, but does anyone want to take a stab at them?
Please keep in mind the difference in quizbowl and quick recall, and take that into account when making predictions.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Andrew from jc » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:50 pm

We won't be able to go to ACE. but we will be at KAAC camp next week. Hopefully we are able to head to most of the instate tournaments and those in nearby states.
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Post by SoLegit12 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:37 am

Because of scheduling conflicts, I am attending ACE at Campbellsville
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Scott » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:47 am

SoLegit12 wrote:Because of scheduling conflicts, I am attending ACE at Campbellsville
Why would that be because of scheduling conflicts?
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Post by SoLegit12 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:28 pm

grayson77 wrote:
SoLegit12 wrote:Because of scheduling conflicts, I am attending ACE at Campbellsville
Why would that be because of scheduling conflicts?
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Post by SoLegit12 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:22 pm

Where is Grayson going?
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Post by Scott » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:37 pm

We are going to Campbellsville this year.
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Post by Scott » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:33 pm

How did the teams and individuals look at KAAC Camp this year?
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Post by Faiyad » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:25 pm

grayson77 wrote:How did the teams and individuals look at KAAC Camp this year?
Lots of jokes about famous scientists. That is all I have to say.
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Post by Kahloon » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:06 pm

Faiyad wrote:Lots of jokes about famous scientists. That is all I have to say.
Sounds intuitive.
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Post by Faiyad » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:34 pm

Kahloon wrote:
Faiyad wrote:Lots of jokes about famous scientists. That is all I have to say.
Sounds intuitive.

Ernest Rutherford and Robert Koch. That is all I have to say...
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Faiyad » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:36 pm

grayson77 wrote:How did the teams and individuals look at KAAC Camp this year?
Umm, some kids to look out for are Jenna Garafolo (?) and Cullen Smith (Henry Clay).
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Post by Scott » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:58 pm

Jenna is from Campbell County, and is a pretty formidable player for only being a sophomore.
How did Russell and Johnson compare?
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Post by Faiyad » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:06 pm

grayson77 wrote:Jenna is from Campbell County, and is a pretty formidable player for only being a sophomore.
How did Russell and Johnson compare?
Pretty equal.
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Post by Scott » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:08 pm

I'm guessing they were the two strongest teams in attendance?
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Post by Andrew from jc » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:31 pm

Central won all if the subject area tournaments except for math. Russell came in second in math, science, social studies.
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Post by Scott » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:34 pm

Remember who won math?
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by quantumtheory » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:11 am

2010 KAAC Summer Camp Results
MATH
1. Chris Fugate – Boyd County High School
2. Jordan Keeton – Russell Independent High School
3. Duncan Wood – Mason County High School
4. Abishek Mahesh – St. Xavier High School
5. Nicholas Daniels - Russell Independent High School
SCIENCE
1. Faiyad Mannan – Johnson Central High School
2. Luke Lewis - Russell Independent High School
3. Alex McCulla – Johnson Central High School
4. Noah Dixon – West Jessamine High School
5. Henry Quillen – Greenup County High School
SOCIAL STUDIES
1. Andrew Salyer – Johnson Central High School
2. Tanner Riffe - Russell Independent High School
3. Kiernen Weisert – Corbin High School
4. Cody McGlothlin – Madison Central High School
5. Landon Perraut – Scott High School
LANGUAGE ARTS
1. Alex Lester – Johnson Central High School
2. Cullen Smith – Henry Clay High School
3. Kodi Tackett – Johnson Central High School
4. Yasmine White – Johnson Central High School
5. Iman Ali – Pikeville High School
ARTS AND HUMANITIES
1. Haley Burton – Johnson Central High School
2. Jenna Garafolo – Campbell County High School
3. Dowell Harmon – Danville High School
4. Alice Liu – Paul Lawrence Dunbar High School
5. Claire Lyon - Russell Independent High School

A/H was real close with only 3 points separating the top 6 positions.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Huang » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:51 pm

I like this trend of more quizbowl tournaments happening within the state. Assuming Manual hosts their tournament in October, that's 4 (Dunbar, Danville, and WKU) good tournaments in one month.
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Post by Scott » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:12 pm

Huang wrote:I like this trend of more quizbowl tournaments happening within the state. Assuming Manual hosts their tournament in October, that's 4 (Dunbar, Danville, and WKU) good tournaments in one month.
I agree!
Hopefully there will be this many tournaments in the spring as well.
Now we need to get more teams involved in these tournaments. (Meaning those who are traditional quick recall focused teams.)

Also, does anyone have any predictions yet?
I'm probably going to post mine pretty soon.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Faiyad » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:41 pm

grayson77 wrote:
Huang wrote:I like this trend of more quizbowl tournaments happening within the state. Assuming Manual hosts their tournament in October, that's 4 (Dunbar, Danville, and WKU) good tournaments in one month.
Also, does anyone have any predictions yet?
I'm probably going to post mine pretty soon.
I always enjoy your predictions, Scott.
Here is some data:

Johnson Central:

We lose Abeer and Morgan, but basically our whole starting team returns. We get some fire for our JV team with some incoming Freshman like Clay Davenport and Yasmin White.
We should be pretty competitive next year.

Russell:
Russell was incredibly strong at camp this year. It blew my mind. They lose Katie and Andy, both of which are really huge losses, but they keep Luke, Savannah, William, and Jordan. They also get some nice Freshman like Claire Lyon, Andy's sister, who is quite the Art and Humanities girl.

Pikeville:
Pikeville loses Salman and Emily, but keeps Jack and Shikha, two state champions. They will have serious holes in their Social Studies department, but they will rock most everything else. They also keep Christian, who placed high in Arts and Humanities at State.

duPont Manual:
Don't know a lot about their team. I think they didn't really lose anyone good - but I may be wrong.
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Post by Scott » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:10 pm

Faiyad wrote:I always enjoy your predictions, Scott.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm. I hope not. :lol:
Thanks for the stats and stuff.

I'm going to do a preseason summary thing with the top 12 or so teams. (For my enjoyment, and hopefully at least one other person's slight interest.)
I'll post the lower level contenders and "dark-horses" either tonight or tomorrow.
Feel free to argue and/or complain about my comments as you please.
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Post by Scott » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:59 pm

First of all, don't take any of this to be like I am stating my opinions as fact.
I am certainly not doing that, and this is meant as a preview of the season, and nothing more.
I'm not any more qualified to do this than anyone else here, but have some time and felt like making it.
So here it is...


Season Preview: Part I

This category of teams are teams that are currently not likely contenders, but could become competitive if circumstances are right.
This category corresponds roughly to teams that are in the top 20, but not top 10.
This is a annotated list in no particular order.
Feel free to add comments about any of the teams or my comments.

Apollo
They return there entire team from last year that was competitive in quick recall against several rather good teams.
They will be very good at quick recall with one of the best comp math people in the state.
They may be able to get better at quizbowl, if they are willing to have more exposure to the format.

Owensboro
Well, John Wholley is there coach and he still has a lot of potential in him.
However, like Apollo, they are very comp math heavy.
They could produce a top 16 team with some work.

Flemming County
They are worth mentioning here.
They have a dedicated coach, and seem to be improving.

Madisonville
They are losing there best player, but will return some decent talent.
A lot of their success will depend upon their ability to create a well balanced team, in contrast what was on of KY's least balanced team last year.

Pike County Central
Well, they have some eager young player that really want to be good.
However, they have a lot working against them being in an area where quick recall is king.

Paintsville
Well, they return the team that nearly beat us at DAFT last year, before we went on the get 2nd.
They will definitely be decent, but the same thing about location holds true.

Corbin
Well, they have the the location problem too.
What I saw at BETA was surprisingly formidable.

South Warren
They might not be worth mentioning, but they are a new school that will be taking Greenwood's coach and best players.
They will probably be good at quick recall, but hopefully they do quizbowl too.
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Post by Scott » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:23 pm

Part II

These teams could be both better or worse than the ones previously listed.
They could make competitive runs and in most cases have a good young player.
Again, these are in no particular order.

Daviess County
Ella Ship is an amazing player, maybe the best sophomore in the state.
She will have some help with a decent coaching staff.
However, will the start being more quizbowl oriented?

Campbell County
Same as Daiviess, but Jenna Garofolo instead of Ella Ship.
It will probably be a bit easier for them to be good at quizbowl.

Henry Clay
They were really good a couple of year ago.
They have Cullen Smith, who is another sophomore to watch.
Amusing, they get some of the Windburn kids, and play more quizbowl, they could be quite good.

Trinity
They are always pretty good, and have a repetitively young team.
They could make a nice run if the improve throughout the year.

St. X
Pretty similar to Trinity, except they are losing a bit more of their top players.
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Part III

The following teams were good last year, and are returning many of there strongest players.
They could definitely break into the top 10 with some work.

Ballard
They return multiple players with over 25 ppth from Kentucky NAQT.
They are a perennial contender and will likely be very good again this year.

Eastern
They return Jacob's 34.74 from NAQT state, as well as some other decent players.
They should be able to make a run if they can start doing more quizbowl.

Edmonson
They return Jacob's 47.90 NAQT state, and maybe some other good player too.
They have a coach that is extremely determined to make his team one of the best in the state.
I think they could do very well with practice, possibly even top eight.
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Post by Scott » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:44 pm

Part IV

Please don't take this following information badly.
The following two teams are a special circumstance in my rankings.
I could see either team as high as 4th in an overall ranking.
Neither has competed in a lot of quizbowl in the past, but could do very well this season.

Johnson Central
They have a very large amount of knowledge as apparent from their success in KAAC.
Also, they have been pretty well when they have competed in actual quizbowl tournaments.
They many players that are very knowledgeable in their specific subjects.
However, the knowledge seems to be more breadth focused than depth focused.
I think that even if they don't compete in a single tournament (which is not likely), they could beat the vast majority of teams in a game of quizbowl.
They will likely be one of the best teams, but whether or not they compete... I do not know.
I hope they do! :smile:

Pikeville
They are in a similar situation as Johnson, but it is a little bit different.
They have two extremely good players that will be competitive on there own.
However, they will have history knowledge gaps that will need to be filled.
Also, they are in a similar situation, where competitions are limited.
I would love to see them compete more in quizbowl tournaments as well.
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Post by Scott » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:22 pm

Part V

The following seven will very likely all be in the top ten in the state.
They are probably the seven teams that competed the most last season, and all are returning several players.
All of these teams attended HSNCT with a record of at least 4-6.
The two previously mentioned teams could fall pretty much anyway in this ranking (likely as 4th and 5th).
I am going to place them in order, but it's not really that reliable, and shouldn't serve to anger anyone.

1. Dunbar
They are nearly always the top team in the state of Kentucky.
They are losing several good players, but keep evermore.
They return the following from HSNCT:
Idrees (A) 42.92
Victor (A) 18.72
Sandy (A) 13.24 - Who notable plays even better on ACF like distribution
Helen (B) 42.20
Grant (B) 16.97
They return several other good players as well...

2. Manual
They return their entire A-Team.
They have been known take up to 6 competitive teams to tournaments.
If anyone can knock Dunbar off the top, it will be them.
They return from HSNCT:
Shray 29.71
Meghamsh 29.29
Akshai 23.85
Nick 15.48

3. Adair
They have their top three scorers back.
They were the highest finishing team at HSNCT.
Luke Maupin is one of the best players in the nation.
If his teammates can improve, they will have one amazing team.
They return:
Luke 65.45!
Jake 12.27
Ryan 10.45

~ I foresee a break here that will be hard to infiltrate for any of the lower teams.

4. Grayson
I hope I don't sound rude/arrogant putting us this high.
I think we could definitely be lower than this.
The two teams mentioned earlier (Pikeville and Johnson) could fall above here.
But, we return half of our HSNCT team that was 5-5, without our captain and 3rd best player.
We improved a lot in the last year, and I hope to do even more improving.
We return:
Me 43.87
Julie 12.74
And some young players that were not with us that play rather well.
This is probably wishful thinking, but I would like to see it.

5. Danville
They will be one of the most well balanced teams in the state.
They return all of their normal A-team.
They did well at HSNCT without (one of) their best player(s).
They improved quite a bit over the course of last season.
They return:
Ethan 19.16
Rachel 17.76
Stacy 14.95
Dowell (Who is as good as their other players)

6. Simon Kenton
They have a very good coach and always have a good team.
They had a great year after losing two amazing players.
Casey is very good, and will likely have some good with all their starters returned.
They return:
Casey 38.57
Jordan 13.81

7. Russell
They will be good once again, but they did lose most of their history and a lot of lit.
They have always been known to have a good team, despite losses the previous year.
They return:
Luke 21.29
Savannah 16.83
William 11.21


Alright I am finished now.
Please give your input and feel free to criticize any of my opinions.
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Post by Rococo A Go Go » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:42 pm

grayson77 wrote: Warren South
They might not be worth mentioning, but they are a new school that will be taking Greenwood's coach and best players.
They will probably be good at quick recall, but hopefully they do quizbowl too.
A minor correction here, they are actually South Warren High School. WKU will certainly work hard to get the Bowling Green/Warren County schools (including South, Central, East, Greenwood, and BGHS) to come to any quizbowl events we host, and last I heard the Vice President of our club is actually working on something to get the area a bit more interested in quizbowl.
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Post by skkid11 » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:50 pm

Good job with everything. Just wanted to say that Simon Kenton will also be returning all its starters from last year.
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Post by Scott » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:03 pm

skkid11 wrote:Good job with everything. Just wanted to say that Simon Kenton will also be returning all its starters from last year.
Nice, I wasn't sure about all of you guys. I added it.
You all will definitely be one of the best teams in the state.
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Post by Huang » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:25 pm

PACE NSC Playoff stats for Dunbar: http://pace-nsc.org/2010stats/2010_PACE ... il.html#t4
PACE NSC Playoff stats for Manual: http://pace-nsc.org/2010stats/2010_PACE ... il.html#t6

Considering Manual was missing Meghamsh at NSC...

I'm not sure if I would have put us as exactly the top team in the state. We and duPont Manual are pretty much 1A and 1B especially since we lose Ping, which means we'll probably have to fake our way into getting science questions.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Faiyad » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:30 pm

Huang wrote:[We] lose Ping, which means we'll probably have to fake our way into getting science questions.
What about Jay?
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Huang » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:32 pm

Faiyad wrote:
Huang wrote:[We] lose Ping, which means we'll probably have to fake our way into getting science questions.
What about Jay?
If Jay studied a little for quizbowl, then we might be in good shape.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Faiyad » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:55 pm

Huang wrote:
Faiyad wrote:
Huang wrote:[We] lose Ping, which means we'll probably have to fake our way into getting science questions.
What about Jay?
If Jay studied a little for quizbowl, then we might be in good shape.
Ain't that the truth of us all?
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Post by SoLegit12 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:16 am

Our team performs a lot better on PACE distribution. (See Sandy's post)
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Post by Scott » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:12 am

SoLegit12 wrote:Our team performs a lot better on PACE distribution. (See Sandy's post)
That's actually really true for us too.
We're still not as good as you guys or Dunbar, but we are a whole different team on a different distribution.
I guess this makes sense since RMP and Arts are two of our strongest areas...
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Post by Scott » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:02 pm

I was wondering if the Gatton Academy could have a quizbowl team...

In case you don't know what it is:
http://www.wku.edu/academy/

Does any one know the answer to this?
What is NAQT's/PACE's opinion?
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Post by Rococo A Go Go » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:33 am

I don't see why they couldn't have a team. Maggie Walker and Thomas Jefferson in Virginia draw students from mulitple jurisdictions, and they certainly have teams.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by at your pleasure » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:56 am

An unadorned reading of the NAQT and ACF eligibility rules suggests that since students are enrolled and doing their coursework at the Gatton Academy and are transferring in-between years there should be no problem. They might also be able to play for WKU although I'm still not clear what the relationship is.
EDIT: To clarify, if they're dual-enrolled they would definitely be allowed to play for WKU. If it's just the coursework thing then it sounds like NAQT's eligibility rules would allow them to play SCT/ICT but I'm not sure about ACF stuff.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Rococo A Go Go » Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:03 am

Doink the Clown wrote:An unadorned reading of the NAQT and ACF eligibility rules suggests that since students are enrolled and doing their coursework at the Gatton Academy and are transferring in-between years there should be no problem. They might also be able to play for WKU although I'm still not clear what the relationship is.
EDIT: To clarify, if they're dual-enrolled they would definitely be allowed to play for WKU. If it's just the coursework thing then it sounds like NAQT's eligibility rules would allow them to play SCT/ICT but I'm not sure about ACF stuff.
They have WKU student IDs, so I'm pretty sure they're dual-enrolled. If any Gatton kids try out for the team, we'll probably try and clear up their status for sure before using them in competition. However, these are still high school kids for all intents and purposes, and I think they should be allowed to form their own team to compete as a high school. They compete in the Knowledge Master thing, so there seems to be precedent for it happening.

Edit: I'd like to point out that the Gatton Academy status is something I've wanted to address for a while, but have never really gotten around to it. I'm glad Scott brought it up.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Coach K » Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:31 am

Hilltopper22 wrote:
Doink the Clown wrote:An unadorned reading of the NAQT and ACF eligibility rules suggests that since students are enrolled and doing their coursework at the Gatton Academy and are transferring in-between years there should be no problem. They might also be able to play for WKU although I'm still not clear what the relationship is.
EDIT: To clarify, if they're dual-enrolled they would definitely be allowed to play for WKU. If it's just the coursework thing then it sounds like NAQT's eligibility rules would allow them to play SCT/ICT but I'm not sure about ACF stuff.
They have WKU student IDs, so I'm pretty sure they're dual-enrolled. If any Gatton kids try out for the team, we'll probably try and clear up their status for sure before using them in competition. However, these are still high school kids for all intents and purposes, and I think they should be allowed to form their own team to compete as a high school. They compete in the Knowledge Master thing, so there seems to be precedent for it happening.

Edit: I'd like to point out that the Gatton Academy status is something I've wanted to address for a while, but have never really gotten around to it. I'm glad Scott brought it up.
I think the biggest hurdle they'd have to clear is actually having someone organize and coach the team. Also, I'm not sure what their rules are about leaving campus. I feel like I read at some point that there were a lot of restrictions about when they could or couldn't leave WKU.

I know I heard something at one point about them applying to join KAAC (or at least expressing interest in joining), but I'm not sure what ended up happening there.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by FCPanther » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:50 pm

Gatton students may participate in Governor's Cup but must do so from their home school (the school that receives their Average Daily Attendance funds). While they are enrolled at Gatton they are also still considered to be students at their sending school which enables them to particpate in their home graduation ceremonies, prom, and the like. I can personally think of at least two students in our region that returned to their home schools for Governor's Cup competition over the last three years so it can be done.

Also, in the event of rescheduling due to weather those students were permitted to take the Governor's Cup test(s) at WKU (if their home coach listed them on the entry form, as as one of the partipants in that event) and those scores were computed into the district/regional standings.

In one instance one of those students also participated in quick recall, but that was on a day that our district was able to play as scheduled, rescheduling would have made quick recall impossible for that particular student.

Obviously weather and distance can impact the participation of a student for his/her home school (especially in quick recall) if there is a need to reschedule, but they are not automatically excluded just because they are at Gatton.

As for NAQT participation, I don't see why they couldn't form a team unless there are specific travel restrictions. I also don't know if there would be implications for their KAAC eligibility IF they were to form a Gatton team, that is a question that the sending school would need to clear up with KAAC.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Rococo A Go Go » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:11 pm

A quick look at the website says they can leave campus as long as they are signed out of their hall and accompanied by fellow Gatton students. I have no idea how that would affect their ability to have a quizbowl team though, although if the Gatton officials and the parents of the students were OK with it, then the kids would be allowed. That's pretty much where the entire decision would be made.

Getting funding for travel and finding a coach may be a lot more difficult for them however.

As for the fact that they are still considered part of their home school, that complicates matters much more. I think they should be able to form their own team at Gatton, because while they still get to go to prom and everything back home, no one can really argue that their education is coming from that school. They are, for all intents and purposes, a statewide magnet school. KAAC obviously doesn't see things the same way I do, and the local quick recall league has taken the hard line stance of disallowing them from competition under all circumstances, even for their home schools.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by FCPanther » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:11 pm

Nick,

You're right in that while they are still considered students at their home schools it is certainly a complicating factor, particularly when ADA funds still go to that home school. I don't know if there are stipulations on what competitions those students would be permitted to take part in for another school. In some ways, because they are still students at schools from around the state it could be argued that Gatton team could potentially be seen as an all-star team of sorts.

You also hit the nail on the head when you stated that they are, in essence, a statewide magnet school. From a competitve standpoint that could be seen as tipping the scales (I AM NOT editorializing just pointing out where I surmise some of this is coming from), like I mentioned earlier, a type of all-star team since they can draw from multiple districts. Think about the recent controversy surround the ability of certain private schools to recruit athletes, and you'd potentially have the same thing in academic competition.

Then there is also the clause that still allows them to compete for their home schools in Governor's Cup. Suppose that a Gatton team were formed for NAQT, or some other national qualifying tournament, would that then preclude students from Governor's Cup at their home schools? And then theirs the notion of recruitment, which is forbidden by KAAC. Technically since Gatton hand picks its student body they are in essence recruiting. All of these things make the whole idea of a Gatton team, especially with Governor's Cup, far more complicated than it seems on the surface.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by at your pleasure » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:58 pm

FCPanther wrote:Nick,

You're right in that while they are still considered students at their home schools it is certainly a complicating factor, particularly when ADA funds still go to that home school. I don't know if there are stipulations on what competitions those students would be permitted to take part in for another school. In some ways, because they are still students at schools from around the state it could be argued that Gatton team could potentially be seen as an all-star team of sorts.

You also hit the nail on the head when you stated that they are, in essence, a statewide magnet school. From a competitve standpoint that could be seen as tipping the scales (I AM NOT editorializing just pointing out where I surmise some of this is coming from), like I mentioned earlier, a type of all-star team since they can draw from multiple districts. Think about the recent controversy surround the ability of certain private schools to recruit athletes, and you'd potentially have the same thing in academic competition.

Then there is also the clause that still allows them to compete for their home schools in Governor's Cup. Suppose that a Gatton team were formed for NAQT, or some other national qualifying tournament, would that then preclude students from Governor's Cup at their home schools? And then theirs the notion of recruitment, which is forbidden by KAAC. Technically since Gatton hand picks its student body they are in essence recruiting. All of these things make the whole idea of a Gatton team, especially with Governor's Cup, far more complicated than it seems on the surface.
So it seems like there are rather fewer obstacles to Gatton students forming a non-KAAC team(lots and lots of magnet schools play tournaments,it wouldn't be that hard to come up with a workaround to the home school thing using existing rules, and at any rate most TDs will just go "if there's a problem, then you're "The Western Kentucky Academy for Properly Chaperoned Children" ) than there are to forming a KAAC team. Perhaps the solution is forming a Gatton team whose official policy is to compete only in non-KAAC events?
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Important Bird Area » Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:14 pm

This is certainly an edge case in our eligibility rules.

It is obvious to me that Gatton can in fact form a team that would compete normally at NAQT high school events. (Note their list of peer institutions, which includes places like NCSSM and IMSA with normal qb programs.)

Less obvious:

1. Can Gatton players play SCT/ICT for WKU, since they are enrolled in WKU classes?

2. In the absence of a Gatton team, could an individual player enrolled at Gatton continue to represent his or her home high school?

Please let us know (eligibility@ naqt) if either of those situations happens and we'll issue a ruling.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Rococo A Go Go » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:12 pm

Luckily this is all hypothetical for now, but I doubt it will remain so for long.
Doink the Clown wrote: Perhaps the solution is forming a Gatton team whose official policy is to compete only in non-KAAC events?
If KAAC ruled students could compete for their home schools in Governor's Cup events while still having a team at Gatton for non-KAAC events, this would most likely be the outcome in my opinion.
bt_green_warbler wrote:1. Can Gatton players play SCT/ICT for WKU, since they are enrolled in WKU classes?

2. In the absence of a Gatton team, could an individual player enrolled at Gatton continue to represent his or her home high school?

Please let us know (eligibility@ naqt) if either of those situations happens and we'll issue a ruling.
If #1 happens, I'll definitely ask for a rules clarification. We're kind of unsure as to whether or not we should recruit Gatton students for our team, but if a talented player from Gatton wanted to play for WKU (and has all proper clearances from their parents and Gatton officials to do so) we'd want to know if that's possible. Either way, we'll let them practice with us whenever they want, and they're free to join our club for all on-campus purposes.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Scott » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:15 pm

I am very interested in what the answer to your first question would be.

Hopefully Gatton will be able to start competing soon.
I'm sure you could help, Nick. :smile:
I know several people there that are interested.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Rococo A Go Go » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:08 pm

I was wondering if any of the teams who have posters here went through coaching changes this year.
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Re: Kentucky '10-'11

Post by Faiyad » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:09 pm

grayson77 wrote: 5. Danville
They will be one of the most well balanced teams in the state.
They return all of their normal A-team.
They did well at HSNCT without (one of) their best player(s).
They improved quite a bit over the course of last season.
They return:

Dowell (Who is as good as their other players)
He is their best player. For sure.
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