Illinois '10 - '11

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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by sssssssskkkk » Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:29 pm

Going off of QBPackets, why not TJ Naren, UMD Spring, or UGA CCC?
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by jonah » Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:41 pm

sssssssskkkk wrote:Going off of QBPackets, why not TJ Naren, UMD Spring, or UGA CCC?
This year's TJ tournament (whatever it's called) won't be ready until after winter break if it happens at all, UMD Spring is (you guessed it) in the spring, and I'm not aware of CCC happening again.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Charley Pride » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:18 pm

I haven't really read this thread since talk of tournaments began...Why doesn't someone mirror a college set for a high school tournament? The number of available tournaments is pretty big this way.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by jonah » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:23 pm

There will be an additional Kickoff site at Centennial in Champaign.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by David Riley » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:42 pm

Might we assume this means James was rehired after ostensibly being riffed? YAY!!!!!
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by jonah » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:12 pm

David Riley wrote:Might we assume this means James was rehired after ostensibly being riffed?
According to this and his Google Talk status, yes, he was. And yes:
David Riley wrote:YAY!!!!!
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Wackford Squeers » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:32 pm

According to the Fall Novice thread, there's no non-Chicagoland mirror of that tournament yet. Does UIUC plan to run one again? And if they don't, does any other Central or Southern Illinois plan to?
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Post by The Moviegoer » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:07 pm

We are not planning to run a mirror
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Charbroil » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:19 pm

Chametz wrote:According to the Fall Novice thread, there's no non-Chicagoland mirror of that tournament yet. Does UIUC plan to run one again? And if they don't, does any other Central or Southern Illinois plan to?
Would you guys be interested in going to a mirror in St. Louis? My hope is that there might be one...
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Unicolored Jay » Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:37 am

jonah wrote:Delta Burke would probably be a good fit, but in the interest of considering all possibilities, what about Solon's tournament from last year? Would they consider delaying its release that long?
Brad emaild me about the set some time ago, so he's considering it I think. I'm holding on to it until a tournament on that set can be held in Ohio somewhere, so it's okay with me.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:57 am

Decemberist 4 is actually going to be THUNDER 2 - a college tournament on a college set. High school teams will be allowed to play, though it should be noted that THUNDER 2 is a "regular difficulty" tournament - the editors announced it "around ACF Regionals" level.

I'm sorry that we can't host a simultaneous high school tournament, but staffing concerns concerned me, and of the options, running a college tournament was the best choice. As it stands, this will be the only non-holiday Saturday in either November or December without a regular high school tournament - but again, HS teams can play this!

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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

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David Riley wrote:Might we assume this means James was rehired after ostensibly being riffed? YAY!!!!!
I will be back coaching Centennial this year. I am also teaching Economics and Math, making me twice as useful.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:33 am

I know it's pretty early in the season and the answer will probably be "95% of the usual suspects," but how many of the upper crust Illinois teams that aren't in the announced field do people think will be appearing at Earlybird?
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Deviant Insider » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:23 am

My guess is that most of the top teams will be there. There might be some odd coaching situations causing some of the top teams to play under assumed names or miss it, but it's on everybody's radar, and teams looking for good competition will not be disappointed.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by BGSO » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:26 am

Westwon wrote:My guess is that most of the top teams will be there. There might be some odd coaching situations causing some of the top teams to play under assumed names or miss it, but it's on everybody's radar, and teams looking for good competition will not be disappointed.
On that note, any teams who want to play Earlybird, regardless of whether they have a coach or not, should contact me.
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Post by dxdtdemon » Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:38 pm

Yahoo news informs me that the works of Bon Jovi now qualify for the ISHA fine arts requirement.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:03 pm

quantumfootball wrote:Yahoo news informs me that the works of Bon Jovi now qualify for the ISHA fine arts requirement.
You don't have to rub it in :(
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Dominator » Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:10 pm

Regarding the Wheaton North Kickoffs, how does the split of divisions affect qualification for nats?

Also, as I have never done Kickoffs before, how limited is space? Can I register 3 teams? If so, is it bad to enter them all in the competitive division? Is there some preferred placement of B and C teams within the divisions?

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Post by Important Bird Area » Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:21 pm

Dominator wrote:Regarding the Wheaton North Kickoffs, how does the split of divisions affect qualification for nats?
I believe this falls under the following case of NAQT's qualification policy:
naqt.com wrote:If a tournament divides its field into varsity and junior varsity divisions (or similar divisions based on skill) that don't compete against each other, then only teams from the varsity division may qualify for the HSNCT, but the number that qualify will be equal to 15% of the total field from both divisions.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Edward Elric » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:04 pm

Dominator wrote:Regarding the Wheaton North Kickoffs, how does the split of divisions affect qualification for nats?

Also, as I have never done Kickoffs before, how limited is space? Can I register 3 teams? If so, is it bad to enter them all in the competitive division? Is there some preferred placement of B and C teams within the divisions?

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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by jonah » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:00 pm

Edward Elric wrote:
Dominator wrote:Regarding the Wheaton North Kickoffs, how does the split of divisions affect qualification for nats?

Also, as I have never done Kickoffs before, how limited is space? Can I register 3 teams? If so, is it bad to enter them all in the competitive division? Is there some preferred placement of B and C teams within the divisions?

Thanks!
Normally the divisions tend to be split up with the strong contenders being split from brackets with other major contender (i.e. Stevenson, Auburn, OPRF and Lisle would be in seperate brackets). There is not necessarily a competitive division unless Ms. Kidd changed it this year. I believe you can register 3 teams but I would speak to Ms. Kidd about it first. Space tends to fill up normally and I don't remember in past years having teams waitlisted (though I could be misremembering).
That's called brackets; we're talking about divisions. There is a separate "competitive" division this year, and Jeff has addressed how HSNCT qualification works.
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Post by David Riley » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:00 pm

Actually, at the IHSSBCA summer meeting, we decided that since the WN kickoff always has a large number of teams, we would divide it into "competitive" (Auburn, Stevenson, OPRF, St. Ignatius, etc.) and "learning" divisions. The competitive division will be limited to the top 24 teams. As to whether three teams from a school will be permitted (we will probably do that as well), I would assume it depoends on how many sign up, but I would also check with Ms. Kidd.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Dominator » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:02 pm

Eh, I guess the issue of 3 teams in the top division is moot, because I realized that our van capacity divided by 5 was less than 3 (another advantage of 4v4 IMO). I did sign up two teams for the competitive division, though.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Wackford Squeers » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:11 pm

Is there a list somewhere of which of this year's tournaments are PACE qualifiers?
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by David Riley » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:57 pm

I don't think theyhave determined that yet, I received an email from George Berry that they would be evaluating my tournametns, but nothing definite yet.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by That Guy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:42 pm

Hey fellow Illinoisans, this is my first post. As Mr. Grant has said, rumors of my graduation have been greatly exaggerated. So, who'd like to venture a guess on Class A rankings?
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by jonah » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:51 pm

1. Lisle

Latin, Macomb, and PORTA will be in the next top several.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Bonito » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:57 pm

jonah wrote:1. Lisle

Latin, Macomb, and PORTA will be in the next top several.
Dwight was also pretty decent last year, but have an unfortunate placement in the Latin/Lisle sectional. They beat Lisle at our conference meet, albeit on subpar questions. But in IHSA state series, luck is more worthwhile than practice, so who knows.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

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jonah wrote:1. Lisle

Latin, Macomb, and PORTA will be in the next top several.
Alright, thanks jonah. Of course, being a member of PORTA myself, I have to defend my team, and I think we have a good shot at the title this year. IMHO, of course.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

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jonah wrote:1. Lisle

Latin, Macomb, and PORTA will be in the next top several.
Alright, thanks jonah. Of course, being a member of PORTA myself, I have to defend my team, and I think we have a good shot at the title this year. IMHO, of course.
If you truly want to defend the honor of your team or whatever, you should try to do good at tournaments with actual legitimacy as opposed to vying for titles that are practically meaningless at this point.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Deviant Insider » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:31 am

We probably should hesitate to criticize teams that start Central Illinois Conferences using decent questions, host a Kickoff, host a Frosh/Soph Tournament using an A Set, and host a Class A Tournament using an IS Set.

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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Geringer » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:10 pm

Westwon wrote:We probably should hesitate to criticize teams that start Central Illinois Conferences using decent questions, host a Kickoff, host a Frosh/Soph Tournament using an A Set, and host a Class A Tournament using an IS Set.
Seconded. I think PORTA, as well as Greenville, Springfield, and Chatham-Glenwood are going to make some major strides this year.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

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Geringer wrote:
Seconded. I think PORTA, as well as Greenville, Springfield, and Chatham-Glenwood are going to make some major strides this year.
I know that a league has been set up in the vaugely central state area including PORTA, Springfield, Glenwood, and several more quality teams. This should make for some very good games- I'll have to post how those go, yeah?
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

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Secretary of Bobcats wrote:
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jonah wrote:1. Lisle

Latin, Macomb, and PORTA will be in the next top several.
Alright, thanks jonah. Of course, being a member of PORTA myself, I have to defend my team, and I think we have a good shot at the title this year. IMHO, of course.
If you truly want to defend the honor of your team or whatever, you should try to do good at tournaments with actual legitimacy as opposed to vying for titles that are practically meaningless at this point.
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewto ... =1&t=10508

How about this one? I see that Loyola has a few spots reserved at the upstate location... And PORTA is hosting the downstate location. Does this tournament have actual legitimacy?
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

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That Guy wrote:How about this one? I see that Loyola has a few spots reserved at the upstate location... And PORTA is hosting the downstate location. Does this tournament have actual legitimacy?
Not really. It's a singles tournament. Earlybird was legitimate. Loyburn will be legit. NAQT State will be legit. IHSA/Masonic, don't waste your time.

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Post by CometCoach72 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:05 pm

Saturday at SCOP/Springfield...Kickoff at our Place Nov 6...Loyburn on Nov 13...PORTA's Mirror of the Solo on the 20th...

What a great start to our season. I'm officially excited. Although I predict that we won't come close to placing at Loyburn, the 5 of my team that are going are quite excited.

Good luck everyone. Have some fun along the way.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by mrgsmath » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:59 am

dtaylor4 wrote:
That Guy wrote:How about this one? I see that Loyola has a few spots reserved at the upstate location... And PORTA is hosting the downstate location. Does this tournament have actual legitimacy?
Not really. It's a singles tournament. Earlybird was legitimate. Loyburn will be legit. NAQT State will be legit. IHSA/Masonic, don't waste your time.
I always regret posting on this forum but here goes.

IHSSBCA (open to all classes) on NAQT IS set
F/S Invite (open to all classes) on NAQT A set
Varsity Invite (Class A only due to set conflicts) NAQT IS set
League play (all classes) NAQT IS for Varsity and NAQT A set for F/S divisions

These are events PORTA will host this year. In addition we will attend the Springfield Invite (ope to all class) also on NAQT IS for Varsity and I believe NAQT for the F/S division.

Could you advise me if these are legit, I'd hate to waste good money and time on a venture that will ultimately be deemed fruitless.

I had considered NAQT State as a possible venture this year, but I am inclined pass at this time since we obviously still don't pass the "Good Quiz Bowl" test.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Dominator » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:25 am

mrgsmath wrote:I always regret posting on this forum but here goes.
^THIS.

As someone who played the downstate circuit years ago, PORTA has been leading the charge for good tournaments in the region for a long time. The definition of good tournaments has changed, but evidently PORTA is still keeping up.

As an alternative to Scty. Bobcats's sentiment, let me offer my own: "Congratulations in advance for any successes you may have on your title runs. We hope to see you on the mACF/NAQT/HSAPQ circuit as well. We enjoy those tournaments more, and hope you will too."
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by the return of AHAN » Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:32 am

LIVE from the IESA scholastic bowl coaches workshop...

Coaches are going to be surveyed this year on whether they'd like to see the following changes...

1.) Should the length of regional matches be cut down from 30/20 to 20/20?

2.) Should we change the format from round-robin regionals to single-elimination play?

Apparently, there has been a consistent chorus of complaints about regionals lasting for 3+ hours on a school night.
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Post by David Riley » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:13 pm

Good luck and Godspeed!
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by the return of AHAN » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:19 pm

Wondering if I missed a chance to point out that a FASTER match format exists......
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Deviant Insider » Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:56 pm

Last year at IHSA Regionals, my team had no chance to get dinner, we had two coaches there, and we had an easy match for the first round. So, during the 10th bonus, I left to get dinner. I walked down a few hallways, then a block from the school to a fried chicken place, and placed my order. They did not have any french fries ready, so they had to put them in the fryer. Also, the person who took my order put it in the cash register wrong, so he had to get a supervisor to give me the right amount of change. I got my chicken and took it back to the match, where my team was working on the 14th bonus, so they were able to start eating during halftime. Ironically, this was at the same high school that graduated Mike Sorice and Colby Burnett, two moderators who could have completed a full match in that amount of time given the proper format.

Hopefully, you will be more successful than us at improving the format. If nobody starts a petition against you, then you're more successful than me.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by mrgsmath » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:34 pm

I will put on my Jr. High / Middle School coaches hat and add voice to the previous post. The matches suffer from poor moderating as much as from any structural flaws. While I would agree to the 20/20 concept in theory, since with the present question provider it would reduce the number of poor tossups by 33%, in actually this change would not reduce round lengths since poor moderators would simply fill the time allowed.

I find from running my own tournaments that if you give a moderator 60 minutes they will take 70 minutes, give them 35 minutes however and they will only take 30. They stay on task better when there a sense of urgency. When I ran IESA Regionals and Sectionals 2 years ago the Regional, which I staffed, finished early despite delays due to the coaches complaints that they weren't ready for the first match and needed time to organize their teams. The next week when I hosted Sectional it ran over when IESA selected the moderators.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Dominator » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:53 am

I just posted an announcement for the mirror of IMSANITY at Bloomington High School on January 15. Coaches who like the idea of mACF tournaments south of Chicago are highly encouraged to (1) bring many teams, AND (2) help us recruit schools to attend. Thanks in advance!
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by mrgsmath » Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:57 am

Dominator wrote:I just posted an announcement for the mirror of IMSANITY at Bloomington High School on January 15. Coaches who like the idea of mACF tournaments south of Chicago are highly encouraged to (1) bring many teams, AND (2) help us recruit schools to attend. Thanks in advance!
I will need to make some arrangements to get coaching coverage for a F/S event that day that we are already committed to, but I would very much be interested in bringing 1-2 teams.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by That Guy » Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:23 pm

mrgsmath wrote: I will need to make some arrangements to get coaching coverage for a F/S event that day that we are already committed to, but I would very much be interested in bringing 1-2 teams.

Seconded!
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Charbroil » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:16 pm

Southern Illinois teams should come to the Fall Novice Tournament mirror at St. Charles CC:

http://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewto ... =1&t=10643
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by CometCoach72 » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:58 pm

Dominator wrote:I just posted an announcement for the mirror of IMSANITY at Bloomington High School on January 15. Coaches who like the idea of mACF tournaments south of Chicago are highly encouraged to (1) bring many teams, AND (2) help us recruit schools to attend. Thanks in advance!
Dr. Prince- may I safely presume this is a 4-on-4 event?
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:07 am

CometCoach72 wrote:
Dominator wrote:I just posted an announcement for the mirror of IMSANITY at Bloomington High School on January 15. Coaches who like the idea of mACF tournaments south of Chicago are highly encouraged to (1) bring many teams, AND (2) help us recruit schools to attend. Thanks in advance!
Dr. Prince- may I safely presume this is a 4-on-4 event?
IMSANITY Thread wrote: The tournament will be run on the IMSANITY set, written and edited by the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy scholastic bowl team in mACF format. For more information about the questions, please see this. Play will be 5 v. 5. The structure of the tournament will feature some sort of bracketed round robin system, depending on the number of teams.
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Re: Illinois '10 - '11

Post by Dominator » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:36 pm

CometCoach72 wrote:Dr. Prince- may I safely presume this is a 4-on-4 event?
I announced BMI as 5-on-5 since I didn't think many teams we are targeting will have any 4-on-4 experience all year, so there was little use in imposing it for one tournament. If there ends up being a Chicagoland mirror, it will most certainly be 4-on-4.
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