Wait... what does this mean?The Granny wrote:...pulled off a grail...
lengthy grail digression from PACE thread
lengthy grail digression from PACE thread
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Thanks. That's awesome. Congrats, St. Anselm's!The Granny wrote:Grail
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I believe we pulled off a grail against St. Viator at the 2009 Loyburn. Granted, it was just an invitational on an HSAPQ set, but can this be verified?The Granny wrote:Grail
EDIT: It did. The questions were HSAPQ on the defunct PACE format. Notable? I don't know... http://www.ihssbca.org/statistics/2009_ ... ail.php#t7
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Frankly, I think any grail is notable given how rare of an accomplishment it is.Charley Pride wrote:I believe we pulled off a grail against St. Viator at the 2009 Loyburn. Granted, it was just an invitational on an HSAPQ set, but can this be verified?The Granny wrote:Grail
EDIT: It did. The questions were HSAPQ on the defunct PACE format. Notable? I don't know... http://www.ihssbca.org/statistics/2009_ ... ail.php#t7
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Re: PACE NSC: format changes, 2010 information
Yeah I was gonna say: I was pretty amazed when this happened to us. I quite literally told every subsequent opponent that day about Auburn's feat, even if it was slightly embarrassing.The Granny wrote:Frankly, I think any grail is notable given how rare of an accomplishment it is.Charley Pride wrote:I believe we pulled off a grail against St. Viator at the 2009 Loyburn. Granted, it was just an invitational on an HSAPQ set, but can this be verified?The Granny wrote:Grail
EDIT: It did. The questions were HSAPQ on the defunct PACE format. Notable? I don't know... http://www.ihssbca.org/statistics/2009_ ... ail.php#t7
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IIRC Gov did it last year at some tournament in DC en route to a 740-0 victory.
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Saint Joe's did it this year in a 715-0 victory at the Caesar Rodney Rider Bowl in April, but it was admittedly against a young B team.
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Torrey Pines did it at this year's HFT mirror - in a first-bracket playoff match.
That said, grailing on the much-more-difficult NSC set is extremely impressive.
That said, grailing on the much-more-difficult NSC set is extremely impressive.
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Maggie Walker got an andrew hart grail and did this in successive rounds
EDIT: I should probably note that during their grail gov came 20 points on a Kate Chopin bonus from achieving a holy grail. It was heartbreaking.
EDIT: I should probably note that during their grail gov came 20 points on a Kate Chopin bonus from achieving a holy grail. It was heartbreaking.
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Yeah this is actually not that rare. Even we've done it before, admittedly against Longfellow C, at TJ last October.
St. Anselm's did it a couple weeks ago against GDS B at UMCP.
It happens probably quite a few times around here, but it is much harder on Nationals questions so i guess it's a big accomplishment this time.
EDIT: Here's the proof:
CR: http://www.taftqb.com/t/tjiat09/teams/view/752
St. Anselm's: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... detail#t18
St. Anselm's did it a couple weeks ago against GDS B at UMCP.
It happens probably quite a few times around here, but it is much harder on Nationals questions so i guess it's a big accomplishment this time.
EDIT: Here's the proof:
CR: http://www.taftqb.com/t/tjiat09/teams/view/752
St. Anselm's: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... detail#t18
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Re: PACE NSC: format changes, 2010 information
Does 18 for 18 count as a grail? Dorman pulled this off against Charter C at the 2008 TJIAT. It was a timed IS set and the reader only got through 18 questions. For real though, hats off to St. Anselm's for doing this at NSC. That's super impressive.
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Re: PACE NSC: format changes, 2010 information
Two days ago in Texas, Cliff Lee had a perfect game through four innings and the lead as it was starting to rain.KevinL wrote:Does 18 for 18 count as a grail? Dorman pulled this off against Charter C at the 2008 TJIAT. It was a timed IS set and the reader only got through 18 questions.
Anyway, when I pointed out that Gonzaga grailed at HFT 2008, everybody on this board told me that it was really rude to point out when a team grails because it makes the losing team feel bad. Apparently our social mores have changed dramatically in the last year and a half.
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Apparently this isn't as rare as originally thought.
Any instances of Andrew Hart Grails?
Any instances of Andrew Hart Grails?
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Are we going by the definition of "at least 10 tossups answered" and then 30ppb? If so, it's happened on occasion.Nuclear Densometer Test wrote:Apparently this isn't as rare as originally thought.
Any instances of Andrew Hart Grails?
GDS at UMCP in September: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... teamdetail
Gov at VCU in January: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... teamdetail
Those are just the ones i know i've heard of at tournaments we went to this year.
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I moderated this match and was pretty stunned that they missed those 20 points. It happened after like tossup 8 so i was like "aw man, no big deal" but then 12 tossups later i realized they were 20 points from a perfect game, and those were bonus questions that my kids confidently answered in another game that same round.Frater Taciturnus wrote:Maggie Walker got an andrew hart grail and did this in successive rounds
EDIT: I should probably note that during their grail gov came 20 points on a Kate Chopin bonus from achieving a holy grail. It was heartbreaking.
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Re: lengthy grail digression from PACE thread
Just wanted to point out that whoever edited the QBWiki on Grail mistakenly put TP over Rancho Alamitos there as a "grail" when they won 640-30. If you "grail", the other team by definition cannot have a positive score; TP, as the stats indicate, went 18-2 that round.
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Thanks; that's fixed. I had misread the 10 and -5 columns as 15 and 10, and assumed that the opponent points came from bouncebacks (if bouncebacks are in place, a grail with an opposing team having a positive score is possible).rylltraka wrote:Just wanted to point out that whoever edited the QBWiki on Grail mistakenly put TP over Rancho Alamitos there as a "grail" when they won 640-30. If you "grail", the other team by definition cannot have a positive score; TP, as the stats indicate, went 18-2 that round.
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18 powers? Yeah, definitely didn't happen.jonah wrote:Thanks; that's fixed. I had misread the 10 and -5 columns as 15 and 10, and assumed that the opponent points came from bouncebacks (if bouncebacks are in place, a grail with an opposing team having a positive score is possible).rylltraka wrote:Just wanted to point out that whoever edited the QBWiki on Grail mistakenly put TP over Rancho Alamitos there as a "grail" when they won 640-30. If you "grail", the other team by definition cannot have a positive score; TP, as the stats indicate, went 18-2 that round.
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I think he was referring to the tossup split. 18 for one team, 2 for another.gyre and gimble wrote:18 powers? Yeah, definitely didn't happen.jonah wrote:Thanks; that's fixed. I had misread the 10 and -5 columns as 15 and 10, and assumed that the opponent points came from bouncebacks (if bouncebacks are in place, a grail with an opposing team having a positive score is possible).rylltraka wrote:Just wanted to point out that whoever edited the QBWiki on Grail mistakenly put TP over Rancho Alamitos there as a "grail" when they won 640-30. If you "grail", the other team by definition cannot have a positive score; TP, as the stats indicate, went 18-2 that round.
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Stephen's interpretation of my interpretation was correct, not that it matters.Inkana7 wrote:I think he was referring to the tossup split. 18 for one team, 2 for another.gyre and gimble wrote:18 powers? Yeah, definitely didn't happen.jonah wrote:Thanks; that's fixed. I had misread the 10 and -5 columns as 15 and 10, and assumed that the opponent points came from bouncebacks (if bouncebacks are in place, a grail with an opposing team having a positive score is possible).rylltraka wrote:Just wanted to point out that whoever edited the QBWiki on Grail mistakenly put TP over Rancho Alamitos there as a "grail" when they won 640-30. If you "grail", the other team by definition cannot have a positive score; TP, as the stats indicate, went 18-2 that round.
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Oh. Then I am dumb.jonah wrote:Stephen's interpretation of my interpretation was correct, not that it matters.Inkana7 wrote:I think he was referring to the tossup split. 18 for one team, 2 for another.gyre and gimble wrote:18 powers? Yeah, definitely didn't happen.jonah wrote:Thanks; that's fixed. I had misread the 10 and -5 columns as 15 and 10, and assumed that the opponent points came from bouncebacks (if bouncebacks are in place, a grail with an opposing team having a positive score is possible).rylltraka wrote:Just wanted to point out that whoever edited the QBWiki on Grail mistakenly put TP over Rancho Alamitos there as a "grail" when they won 640-30. If you "grail", the other team by definition cannot have a positive score; TP, as the stats indicate, went 18-2 that round.
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