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2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:23 pm

IN ONE SELF CONTAINED THREAD~

Your teams are as follows:

TEAM ARIZONA
Daniel Wilson (Brophy Prep)
Alex Theisen (Brophy Prep)
Ruka Murugan (Brophy Prep)
Marc Papakyriakou (Brophy Prep)
Brendan Fries (Brophy Prep)
Wesley Fullmer (Brophy Prep)

TEAM CALIFORNIA
Sharad Vikram (Torrey Pines)
Nikhil Desai (Bellarmine)
Ben Gammage (La Jolla)
Ankit Aggarwal (Bellarmine)
Philip Yakushev (Bellarmine)

TEAM DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Matt (St. Anselm's)
Aidan (St. Anselm's)
Jared (Georgetown Day)
Daniel (Georgetown Day)

TEAM ILLINOIS
Ben Carbery (OPRF)
Andrew Deveau (St. Ignatius)
Kevin Malis (Stevenson)
Lloyd Sy (Rockford Auburn)

TEAM KENTUCKY
Ping Chen (Dunbar)
Shray Kapoor (duPont Manual)
Victor Macrinici (Dunbar)
Sandy Huang (Dunbar)

TEAM MARYLAND
Doug Graebner (Walt Whitman)
Raynell Cooper (Richard Montgomery)
Isaac Hirsch (Blake)
Jeremy Fallick (Montgomery Blair)
Mario Choi (Montgomery Blair)
Kuo Kai Chin (Walter Johnson)

TEAM MISSOURI
Sabrina Fritz (Villa Duchesne)
Grant Gates (North Kansas City)
Ikshu Neithalath (Clayton)
Nick Rupel (Parkway Central)

TEAM NEW HAMPSHIRE
Nick O'Leary (Hanover)
Gabe Brison (Hanover)
Nick Amadeo (Bishop Brady)
In Young Cho (Phillips Exeter)
Chris Turgeon (Gorham)

TEAM NEW YORK
James Lasker (Kellenberg)
Nikolas Churik (Kellenberg)
Lily Chen (Hunter)
David Xu (Hunter)

TEAM OKLAHOMA
Andrew Chandler (Edmond Santa Fe)
Onkur Sen (Oklahoma School of Science and Math)
Matt Hartley (Edmond Santa Fe)
George Maltinszky (Oklahoma School of Science and Math)

TEAM OHIO
Jarret Greene (South Range)
Jim Coury (Olmstead Falls)
Jasper Lee (Solon)
Brandon Williams (Northmont)
Catie Haas (Tippecanoe)
Joe Nutter (Walnut Hills)

TEAM PENNSYLVANIA
Graham Moyer (State College)
Monica McLaughlin (State College)
Christoph Schlom (State College)
David Liu (State College)

TEAM SOUTH CAROLINA
Gregory Peacock (Dorman)
Masuma Alimohamed (Dorman)
Ben Cole (Southside)
Mariya Mohamad (Dorman)
Amit Bilgi (Southside)

TEAM TEXAS
Thomas Littrell (LASA)
Benji Nguyen (LASA)
Jiawei Li (Seven Lakes)
Aaron Pellowski (LASA)
Charlie Caplan (St. John's)

TEAM VERMONT
Chris Bergeron (Essex)
Stefan Deutsch (Essex)
Kevin Weiss (Essex)
Felix Wu (Essex)
Maya Boyle (Essex)
Christina Yu (Essex)

TEAM VIRGINIA
Stephen Eltinge (Thomas Jefferson)
Sarah Angelo (Maggie Walker)
Greg Tito (Maggie Walker)
Eric Tyler (Maggie Walker)
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Matt Weiner » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:30 pm

Team Maryland withdrew earlier this week and will be replaced by an impromptu Team Tennessee.

The final (revised!) schedule of the tournament is at http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... utput=html .
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Post by Nick » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:18 pm

The 6th player on Team South Carolina is Meghan Clusserath (Dorman).
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by abnormal abdomen » Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:32 am

I know it's probably already been stated, but it would be really amazing (though I guess not altogether implausible at all?) if Pennsylvania (read: State College) won this.

Anyways, I wish the best of luck to Team Illinois... and all other teams, for that matter.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by nobthehobbit » Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:34 am

Your Cup of Robust Tea wrote:I know it's probably already been stated, but it would be really amazing (though I guess not altogether implausible at all?) if Pennsylvania (read: State College) won this.

Anyways, I wish the best of luck to Team Illinois... and all other teams, for that matter.
It would've been even more amazing had they won HSNCT in addition to NSC and ACF Nats D2...

Good luck to all!
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Post by Auroni » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:31 am

two players from Team California (Philip and Ankit) are stuck in Denver because their flight got cancelled (storms). they will not be able to join their team till round 8 or 9.
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Post by Joe Romersa » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:53 am

what happens after round robin? advantaged final?
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Post by BGSO » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:44 am

Round by round updates will be available http://hsapq.com/nasat/NASATprelims_games.html:
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Post by Kanga-Rat Murder Society » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:23 am

Apparently, I am liveblogging this. Link soon to come.
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Post by jonah » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:41 am

When I try to access the liveblog, I'm being told that "YOU ARE NO LONGER LOGGED IN. PLEASE LOG BACK INTO COVERITLIVE AND TRY AGAIN." However, I am in fact logged in, and when I re-log in I get the same thing anyway.
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Post by AlphaQuizBowler » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:42 am

That's not working for me.
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Correct link has been edited above. It's http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/o ... c5dcfb340e .
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Post by Sir Thopas » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:00 am

It seems like the years '10 and '12 are switched in numerous places.

EDIT: Oh wait, those are grade numbers with apostrophes next to them, not years of graduation. How confusing.
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Post by aestheteboy » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:01 am

This is a confusing year, in which 12th graders are the class of 2010 and 10th graders are the class of 2012.
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Post by Charbroil » Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:31 pm

Miscellaneous pre-game liveblogging also available here: http://www.moquizbowl.com/viewtopic.php ... ead#unread
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Post by BGSO » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:18 pm

Stats through round 6 are posted. Teams get back from lunch at 2 cst.
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Post by Deviant Insider » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:44 pm

This stuff can only happen if Illinois beats Pennsylvania and either Illinois loses to DC or Pennsylvania loses to Ohio, but what are the rules if:
A team has the best record (14-1) and there is a two-way tie at one win fewer (13-2)?
OR
A team has the best record (14-1) and there is a three-way tie at one win fewer (13-2)?
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Post by jdeliverer » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:13 pm

Edit: misread previous post
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Post by Captain Sinico » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:24 am

The usual ACF procedure is that the two-way tie is broken (preferably by play, possibly on paper if play is impossible for some reason,) then advantaged finals happen. I'm not sure what HSAPQ's format is.

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Post by Matt Weiner » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:00 am

The above procedure is indeed what will happen in the event of the situation described: the teams tied for second in such a situation would break the tie by a playoff game (or a PPG-seeded series of playoff games, in the case of ties involving 3 or more teams) and the winner of the tiebreaker would then enter a disadvantaged final with the first-place team.
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Post by BGSO » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:03 am

Stats are updated through round 14: http://hsapq.com/nasat/NASATprelims_standings.html
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Post by Haaaaaaaarry Whiiiiiiiiiite » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:35 am

Congrats to State College!
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Post by jonah » Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:08 pm

Audio from the second-place match, in which South Carolina defeated Illinois, is available at http://www.qbwiki.com/post/2010NASAT_secondplace.mp3 (22.2 MB).
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Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:30 pm

Well, this was an interesting tournament. State College showed their dominance once again, and South Carolina, Illinois (who made me look pretty ****ing stupid), and Virginia all had great showings. We had seen better days.

Regarding the questions: For the most part, they did a good job of rewarding real knowledge with the early clues, and they used interesting answer lines to create a new kind of experience. However, I do think the set could have used some improvement in some cases. Some tossups were fairly transparent from the beginning (Jesus, cities). Others lacked specificity in their clues and invited negs: A Lumumba tossup that I negged with Mobutu on "rival of Kasavubu," a tossup on Jordan that said he was "one namesake of [description of Gauss-Jordan elimination]," a tossup on Cassipoeia that someone negged with Andromeda after some clue describing their country...etc. Third parts got [redacted] hard at times (Mr. Sammler's Planet) or downright weird (Jotun isn't a specific kind of giant). On the whole, though, despite my performance, I think we had a pretty good time. Thanks to HSAPQ for putting this together.

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Post by Auroni » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:51 pm

Cernel Joson wrote:a tossup on Cassipoeia that someone negged with Andromeda after some clue describing their country...etc.
Cernel Joson wrote:(Jotun isn't a specific kind of giant).
I was responsible for editing these two questions. The first one only invites negs if people don't realize that the previous clues all rule out Andromeda and that there is more than one figure associated with that country (Ethiopia) in Greek mythology.

Also, I accepted either Jotunn or Jotunheimr, as the race in Norse mythology (and the realm it is from) is called that, and I wanted to test knowledge of what the race was called in Norse myth as a middle part. Aside from those questions, I'm glad that you enjoyed the tournament.
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Post by Haaaaaaaarry Whiiiiiiiiiite » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:11 pm

Cernel Joson wrote:a tossup on Cassipoeia that someone negged with Andromeda after some clue describing their country
To be fair, Cassiopeia is Andromeda's mom.
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Post by dtaylor4 » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:14 pm

Cernel Joson wrote:Others lacked specificity in their clues and invited negs: A Lumumba tossup that I negged with Mobutu on "rival of Kasavubu,"
That is a bad neg. Mobutu initially helped Kasavubu oust Lumumba, so if you were just buzzing off that clue, you deserve that neg.

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Post by nobthehobbit » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:27 pm

There's a small error in the stats: the Kentucky-Texas game is listed as having had zero tossups heard.
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Post by Dan-Don » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:44 am

So uh yeah in response to my post that just got Zaius-ed. I got warned for it. So judge me but please don't judge Illinois. My posts in no way reflect on a state that is deserving of your respect and is filled with people who are far classier and better at quizbowl than me.
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Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:35 am

dtaylor4 wrote:
Cernel Joson wrote:Others lacked specificity in their clues and invited negs: A Lumumba tossup that I negged with Mobutu on "rival of Kasavubu,"
That is a bad neg. Mobutu initially helped Kasavubu oust Lumumba, so if you were just buzzing off that clue, you deserve that neg.
Considering Mobutu ended up overthrowing Kasavubu, no, I don't think it is.
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Post by pblessman » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:26 am

Congratulations to ALL the teams who participated, and especially PA, SC, IL, and VA for finishing atop an amazing field. Thanks also to HSAPQ for organizing this tournament. It's wonderful to have a legit All Star Championship played with quality questions! I'm looking forward to the 2011 tournament, hopefully with even more states represented, including Indiana.
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Post by Joe Romersa » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:14 pm

What happened to Stephen, from California?
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Post by nadph » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:25 pm

Joe Romersa wrote:What happened to Stephen, from California?
Stephen dominated tryouts at WCI, but NASAT conflicted with his last week of school ever. He said he didn't want to miss that, so it ended up being Phil, Ankit, Sharad, Ben, and me.

As an aside, one of the problems with Team California this year was that players from exactly three schools (Bellarmine, TP, La Jolla) initially tried out, and many people who likely would've qualified for the team had they been at WCI (EDIT: WCI's first day; Arcadia showed up the second day) didn't end up on it, because they weren't at WCI [e.g. our best player Tanay, as well as various Mission San Jose, Rancho Bernardo, Arcadia, and Santa Monica people]. Hopefully more teams and players attending the tryouts this year will eliminate that problem.
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Post by Matt Weiner » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:35 am

My impressions of the tournament as on-site TD:

We did a pretty decent job of generating interest from players and staff in this tournament. It's no secret that there have been good reasons to wonder if HSAPQ is going to pull things off, but we got our 20 packets done to what I feel was a high standard of quality and the right range of difficulty--this was clearly a hard set that all-star teams could slug it out on, but was within reach of many 400-point games and 20 PPB conversions for the best teams. I was very glad that sixteen teams took a chance on us and let us run a pretty smooth tournament, with a 12-round Saturday being completed around 5 PM and the whole event dispersing at 11 AM on Sunday.

We still need to work on attracting teams that were more Panasonic-oriented. We had basically no frills at all and ran this event in the manner of a local tournament that happened to have some out-of-state teams. This was intentional: we ended up paying our writers and editors around their normal rate and reimbursing staff travel and the costs of some trophies, and that was about all the entry fee covered. HSAPQ is definitely willing to add things like banquets, tournaments in resort hotels, and so on, while still keeping the questions and tournament format rigorously real-quizbowl-oriented, but it will require a higher entry fee, so we are doing our best to gather information on how that might affect the character of the field. We are also trying to figure out some way to avoid the "three nationals in three weekends" problem, though it seems like the way the calendar falls may make that inevitable in some years.

My hope is that, after a fairly successful first year, we have motivated some of the states who were interested, but not quite sold enough on the tournament to make a complete recruitment and fundraising push, to start things earlier in 2010-2011 and increase the field size to around 25. Ultimately, I would hope that every state/territory with any quizbowl tournaments or any history of Panasonic participation is made aware of NASAT and sends a well-prepared team to the tournament each year. I also think that we made a good case for some of the individual players who chose not to try out for their state teams this year to reconsider in the future. If there is one thing that we need to work on the most, it's generating awareness and interest in a tournament of this kind among states which are more used to the Panasonic style of things.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Matt Weiner » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:48 am

On a more somber note, to answer some requests, I would like to clarify what HSAPQ's actions were in regards to the attempted cheating which took place at our tournament.

Upon discovering Amit's attempt to gain a copy of the questions in advance, we decided to bar him from playing the tournament. We informed his coach prior to round 1, as Amit had not left the hotel. After he was given a false copy of "the questions" by a PACE member acting in concert with the investigation later that day, he arrived at the tournament site and was given the news of his exclusion in person.

Because Amit did not play in any games and did not actually acquire the NASAT questions, the standing of the South Carolina team is unaffected. I would like to strongly emphasize that absolutely no other person, whether player or coach, is implicated in this matter besides Amit himself. The rest of South Carolina played the tournament with both integrity and excellence, resulting in their well-earned second place finish.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by gyre and gimble » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:24 am

nadph wrote:
Joe Romersa wrote:What happened to Stephen, from California?
Stephen dominated tryouts at WCI, but NASAT conflicted with his last week of school ever. He said he didn't want to miss that, so it ended up being Phil, Ankit, Sharad, Ben, and me.

As an aside, one of the problems with Team California this year was that players from exactly three schools (Bellarmine, TP, La Jolla) initially tried out, and many people who likely would've qualified for the team had they been at WCI (EDIT: WCI's first day; Arcadia showed up the second day) didn't end up on it, because they weren't at WCI [e.g. our best player Tanay, as well as various Mission San Jose, Rancho Bernardo, Arcadia, and Santa Monica people]. Hopefully more teams and players attending the tryouts this year will eliminate that problem.
That turned out to be a poor decision on my part, although I'm not sure how easily I would have acquired money to buy plane tickets; I ended up doing nothing that weekend, aside from playing poker one night. Sorry for bailing.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:04 am

This had to be a really cool event. It's the sort of "nationals" that i would love to attend. I just don't understand how teams/schools have enough money for this sort of thing, or another whole weekend to sacrifice in a row.

I will always prefer to attend either NSC or HSNCT (and very clearly, the former of the two i prefer the most) than this event, and i'm almost certain our school/my kids would never have enough money to afford yet another trip. We had a hard time paying for Chicago as it was and have almost dwindled our entire school account.

The only reason we ever went to Panasonic in previous years was because CR was the only team who applied from the state, we didn't know any better, and we thought it was a legitimate "nationals" to attend. That hasn't happened in about 9 years now, and with two other national tournaments that mean much more (to me), this is going to be nearly impossible for us (or any other Delaware school) to attend.

Did individual players end up paying for most of the costs of this tournament, or their respective schools? I struggle to find a way for Delaware to field a team in this next year with our number of "serious" quizbowl teams disappearing quickly in this state (we appear to be doing the opposite of the national trend) and another coach leaving his school/program without the only actual good leader Delaware has ever had. I don't have the time to organize an all-star team from Delaware, and i'm not sure who ever would.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Deviant Insider » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:27 am

I want to thank Matt and everybody else involved for running a very good tournament. I wasn't there in person, but I've gotten reports back from people who were, and they praised all aspects of it. I think 16 teams is a decent number considering it was the first occurrence, times are tough economically, and some states are going to have less of an incentive than others--states that have one dominant team are going to see this as one more national tournament as opposed to states like Illinois which see this as a unique opportunity to reward our top students by letting them play together one time. Still, I'm glad that states with dominant teams were there, and this tournament does give them a chance to play stronger competition and tougher questions. Also, if the questions are good, then some people dedicated to Quizbowl will be there--of course, no tournament attracts everybody due to costs, personal conflicts, and so forth.

We will be back next year.

Hopefully, you can get some more teams by more direct contact of the state leaders/coaches who are likely to bring teams. Well run ventures tend to grow, so this has potential.

I don't think you need to emulate PAC by having banquets, but it probably would be a nice touch to offer a block of rooms at a hotel to make it easier for teams to get together Friday and/or Saturday night, and teams probably wouldn't mind paying for Saturday lunch if you ordered in food and had a big room where everybody could eat together. Another alternative would be to give teams the opportunity to scrimmage somewhere Friday night--I'm sure that several of the teams you attract would enjoy a chance to play against some of the moderators there. Like I said, though, we'll be there with or without these perks.

For Illinois, the Coaches Association pays the entry fee and coaches' expenses, while the students pay enough to cover their share of the transportation and hotel. The students individually ask their schools to pay their share with mixed results.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:08 am

Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Did individual players end up paying for most of the costs of this tournament, or their respective schools? I struggle to find a way for Delaware to field a team in this next year with our number of "serious" quizbowl teams disappearing quickly in this state (we appear to be doing the opposite of the national trend) and another coach leaving his school/program without the only actual good leader Delaware has ever had. I don't have the time to organize an all-star team from Delaware, and i'm not sure who ever would.
Perhaps in the future various people from CR and Charter (and Mt. Pleasant and...) can collaborate to host NAQT States (for example) and the proceeds can go towards a trip to NASAT. Of course, this limits the number of teams those schools could enter at the tournament.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Duncan Idaho » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:57 am

Carangoides ciliarius wrote:This had to be a really cool event. It's the sort of "nationals" that i would love to attend. I just don't understand how teams/schools have enough money for this sort of thing, or another whole weekend to sacrifice in a row.

I will always prefer to attend either NSC or HSNCT (and very clearly, the former of the two i prefer the most) than this event, and i'm almost certain our school/my kids would never have enough money to afford yet another trip. We had a hard time paying for Chicago as it was and have almost dwindled our entire school account.
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Did individual players end up paying for most of the costs of this tournament, or their respective schools? ...
Team South Carolina's method of paying was to have a tournament, Tiger Academic Challenge II, hosted by our "coaches" from Clemson and staffed by those "coaches" and the students playing on the NASAT team, the proceeds of which went towards our trip to NASAT. (If a student could not staff or simply chose not to do so, then that student had to pay an extra $120.) This covered our entry fee, and each student had to pay $85 in addition to cover transportation and lodging.

That being said, our trip was certainly a bit easier to pay than any trip that Team Delaware would have to make, because our drive was only six hours instead of the thirteen you'd have to drive from Delaware. But hosting TAC II seemed to work really well for us, and it also allowed for other schools in the area to compete without Dorman or Southside beating on them.

Not having spoken yet about the tournament, I felt that it was run exceptionally well from a logistical standpoint. I was impressed that we managed to get through twelve games in eight hours, which also included an hour-long lunch. I really enjoyed the questions, which I felt were well-written on interesting topics, and I am glad HSAPQ pulled this off despite some questions earlier in the season. If had another year of high school left, I would certainly return to play again, but I suppose I'll have to settle for staffing next year.

I have a few remarks about the questions, but I'll post that in the question discussion thread, where they more properly belong.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by alexdz » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:36 pm

Re: funding your state team

In Missouri's case, the Missouri Quizbowl Alliance organized the team and funded the team entry fee. There was a carpool from St. Louis to keep down the transportation costs. I believe each player was responsible for their own lodging.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:40 pm

alexdz wrote:Re: funding your state team

In Missouri's case, the Missouri Quizbowl Alliance organized the team and funded the team entry fee. There was a carpool from St. Louis to keep down the transportation costs. I believe each player was responsible for their own lodging.
Okay, great, but considering there are like two states with a "quizbowl allliance" or huge state-wide league actually sponsored by schools... that's not feasbile or realistic for almost all of the country.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Matt Weiner » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:45 pm

Considering that Panasonic at one point attracted 43 teams to a tournament with an astronomical cost and absolutely nothing to offer the motivated people in good quizbowl, I think that proclamations about how it's impossible for states to fund an all-star team are out of place. As always, people who want to come to a tournament will find a way, and it's HSAPQ's job to put out a tournament that you want to attend.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by jonah » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:46 pm

Carangoides ciliarius wrote:
alexdz wrote:Re: funding your state team
In Missouri's case, the Missouri Quizbowl Alliance organized the team and funded the team entry fee. There was a carpool from St. Louis to keep down the transportation costs. I believe each player was responsible for their own lodging.
Okay, great, but considering there are like two states with a "quizbowl allliance" or huge state-wide league actually sponsored by schools... that's not feasbile or realistic for almost all of the country.
There are more than that, and it was a perfectly reasonable answer to your question of
Carangoides ciliarius wrote:I just don't understand how teams/schools have enough money for this sort of thing...Did individual players end up paying for most of the costs of this tournament, or their respective schools?
—so what did you want?
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:53 pm

jonah wrote:
Carangoides ciliarius wrote:
alexdz wrote:Re: funding your state team
In Missouri's case, the Missouri Quizbowl Alliance organized the team and funded the team entry fee. There was a carpool from St. Louis to keep down the transportation costs. I believe each player was responsible for their own lodging.
Okay, great, but considering there are like two states with a "quizbowl allliance" or huge state-wide league actually sponsored by schools... that's not feasbile or realistic for almost all of the country.
There are more than that, and it was a perfectly reasonable answer to your question of
Carangoides ciliarius wrote:I just don't understand how teams/schools have enough money for this sort of thing...Did individual players end up paying for most of the costs of this tournament, or their respective schools?
—so what did you want?
I want a solution. I want a way to figure out how a financially-struggling school (with a student body that is in one of the poorest districts in our state) can support a good quizbowl team that wants to attend at least one (if not both) Nationals and send at least one member to a National All-Star tournament, when the school outright refuses to give more than minimal support and the most of the state has practically zero interest in good quizbowl.
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Re: 2010 HSAPQ NASAT Discussion!

Post by Susan » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:59 pm

Carangoides ciliarius wrote:
jonah wrote:
Carangoides ciliarius wrote:
alexdz wrote:Re: funding your state team
In Missouri's case, the Missouri Quizbowl Alliance organized the team and funded the team entry fee. There was a carpool from St. Louis to keep down the transportation costs. I believe each player was responsible for their own lodging.
Okay, great, but considering there are like two states with a "quizbowl allliance" or huge state-wide league actually sponsored by schools... that's not feasbile or realistic for almost all of the country.
There are more than that, and it was a perfectly reasonable answer to your question of
Carangoides ciliarius wrote:I just don't understand how teams/schools have enough money for this sort of thing...Did individual players end up paying for most of the costs of this tournament, or their respective schools?
—so what did you want?
I want a solution. I want a way to figure out how a financially-struggling school (with a student body that is in one of the poorest districts in our state) can support a good quizbowl team that wants to attend at least one (if not both) Nationals and send at least one member to a National All-Star tournament, when the school outright refuses to give more than minimal support and the most of the state has practically zero interest in good quizbowl.
Who, if anyone, funded Panasonic participation in Delaware? Is there any way of making a pitch to those people?
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