ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

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Post by mlaird » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:50 am

What do the brackets look like for this tournament? We only got our own teams' brackets in our folder.

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Post by jonah » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:14 pm

ÜBER-COMPETITIVE DIVISION
Santo: Hamilton, Lisle A, Detroit Catholic Central B, Libertyville, Fenwick A, Auburn A
Banks: New Trier, Carbondale, Oak Park-River Forest, Latin, Barrington A, Stevenson A
Sandberg: Auburn B, Illinois Math & Science Academy, St. Ignatius College Prep A, Wheaton Warrenville South A, Loyola Academy B, Northmont
Williams: Buffalo Grove A, Culver, Detroit Catholic Central A, Wheaton North A, Stevenson B, Loyola Academy A

STANDARD DIVISION
Leah: Barrington B, Crete-Monee A, Wheaton Warrenville South B, Sterling A, Fenwick B, Keith Country Day A
Rachel:
McHenry, Keith Country Day B, PORTA, Buffalo Grove B, Crete-Monee B, Maine South
Bilhah: Loyola Academy C, Byron, Springfield, Leyden, Auburn D, Fenton
Zilpah: Niles West, Lisle B, Wheaton North B, St. Ignatius College Prep B, Sterling B, Auburn C
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Post by SoLegit12 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:37 pm

Live stats?
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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:03 pm

SoLegit12 wrote:Live stats?
I have submitted an official request to the stats room.
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Post by cornfused » Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:55 pm

In Santo: Auburn went 5-0. The other top-bracket team is Lisle or "Hamilton," I'm not sure.
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Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:10 pm

cournfused wrote:In Santo: Auburn went 5-0. The other top-bracket team is Lisle or "Hamilton," I'm not sure.
Lisle is the other team going to the top bracket. Libertyville and "Hamilton," which is Joe Nutter from Walnut Hills solo are the middle teams.
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by ryandillon » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:27 pm

TheDoctor wrote:Standard Division morning stats: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
Anything for "Uber Competitive" yet?
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by dtaylor4 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:32 pm

styxman wrote:
SoLegit12 wrote:Live stats?
I have submitted an official request to the stats room.
Don't make me come down there.

Prelim stats are here: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings

I make no promises concerning live stats for the rest of the tournament. Anyone who has a problem with that, can have a meeting with my foot after I pull it out of the asses of the attendees.

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Post by jonah » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:30 pm

Superplayoffs top: Stevenson A, Auburn A, IMSA, DCC A
Superplayoffs next group: St. Ignatius A, Loyola A, Carbondale, Lisle
Next: Northmont, Buffalo Grove A, New Trier, Culver
Next: Oak Park–River Forest, Libertyville, Auburn B, Hamilton
Next: Latin, DCC B, Wheaton Warrenville South A, Stevenson B
Next: Loyola B, Wheaton North A, Barrington A, Fenwick A

(This is all in the Über-Competitive Division.)
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Stats for the first set of playoffs: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings

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Post by dtaylor4 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:08 pm

Stevenson A, Auburn A, and DCC A finished with one loss. Seeded in the aforementioned order based on PPG, one-game tiebreakers.

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Post by SoLegit12 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:19 pm

dtaylor4 wrote:Stevenson A, Auburn A, and DCC A finished with one loss. Seeded in the aforementioned order based on PPG, one-game tiebreakers.
PPG? What happened to PPB?
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Post by BGSO » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:37 pm

Auburn and DCC are currently in a play-in game to determine who plays Stevenson in the finals.

All three teams finished in a 6-1 circle of death at the end of the modified carryover round robin thingy.
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Post by TheDoctor » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:38 pm

Standard Division: Keith Country Day A and Fenton playing it off. Standings after that:

3. Auburn C
4. PORTA
5. Lisle B
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Post by BGSO » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:04 pm

Auburn vs. Stevenson in the finals

Auburn is up 210-70 at the half with 65 points contested on a protest.
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Post by BGSO » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:13 pm

300-195 in favor of Auburn going into TU 18 with a 65 point swing for Stevenson still in protest.
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Post by TheDoctor » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:15 pm

Standard Division was settled with Keith over Fenton 185 to 45.

Afternoon: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
Full: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
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Post by BGSO » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:15 pm

300-265 in favor of Auburn going into the last TU with that 65 still in protest.
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Post by Aaron Goldfein » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:19 pm

I believe Auburn D defeated Crete-Monee B 20-10, not the other way around.
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Post by BGSO » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:23 pm

Auburn wins 300-295.
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BGSO wrote:Auburn wins 300-295.
Did the protest get resolved?
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Post by the return of AHAN » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:59 pm

Thanks for a great tournament! Though my team didn't win as much as they hoped, they seemed to understand it was truly a stacked field in the top tier. If they didn't, the fact they opened against the defending state champs in Class AA made it perfectly clear. Considering we've had approximately zero players attend an ACE camp, results like these aren't anything to be embarrassed about. Perhaps with the addition of an ACE camp in Champaign, maybe some players will be motivated to give up 4 days of their summer to go learn the subjects where we are weak, especially lit and art.
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Post by David Riley » Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:07 pm

Except for my sudden malaise, I thoroughly enjoyed the tournament. We had excellent moderators, and I always enjoy it when we play DCC. With potential representatives from other states, this should be and is one of the premiere tornaments in Illinois.
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Post by BGSO » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:07 am

AlphaQuizBowler wrote:
BGSO wrote:Auburn wins 300-295.
Did the protest get resolved?
It seems pretty obvious that it was denied, considering that Stevenson gained zero points and the match was declared official.
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Post by jonah » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:47 am

Congratulations to Auburn A for a hard-fought final. The field was brutal, and any of the top dozen or so teams (at least!) could easily win a tournament most days of the week. (Well, most Saturdays of the year.)

I'll have more to say tomorrow. For now, here are stats for the Über-Competitive Division:
prelims
parallel brackets phase
superplayoffs*
overall*

*I don't have the scoresheets from the final or the play-in game; I'm waiting for Mike Sorice to email me them. For now, I entered the play-in game as a 1-0 victory for Auburn, since I don't even know its score, and I put in the final match score without the details.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:58 am

Not to be all staaaaaaaaaats, but I assume there's errors in there, because while Stevenson is good, I doubt they had a ppb of 29.78.
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Post by jonah » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:03 am

Fred wrote:Not to be all staaaaaaaaaats, but I assume there's errors in there, because while Stevenson is good, I doubt they had a ppb of 29.78.
I think that has something to do with the finals not having the details entered.

Edit: Yeah, because in the superplayoffs-only stats, Auburn is at 32.22 and Stevenson at 34.70. I'm blaming the aforementioned.
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Fred wrote:Not to be all staaaaaaaaaats, but I assume there's errors in there, because while Stevenson is good, I doubt they had a ppb of 29.78.
I'm sure their average had to have gone down from their round one average (v. Barrington A) of 29.2 PPB. Seriously. They missed a single bonus part on the 13 they controlled in that match.
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Aaron Goldfein wrote:I believe Auburn D defeated Crete-Monee B 20-10, not the other way around.
I was informed by an intermediate party speaking with Auburn D that they had lost by 10 points, and that the score was 20-10. I did not receive the scoresheet for this game; if anyone has it, or knows where I can procure accurate individual stats for this game, please let me know (strey . k . a @ gmail . com).
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Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:54 pm

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Post by BGSO » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:50 pm

Fred wrote:Not to be all staaaaaaaaaats, but I assume there's errors in there, because while Stevenson is good, I doubt they had a ppb of 29.78.

As a preview for Stevenson in the first 9 rounds of this tournament (so everything but the playoff packets) they put up 27.2 PPB.
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Post by Aaron Goldfein » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:04 pm

TheDoctor wrote:
Aaron Goldfein wrote:I believe Auburn D defeated Crete-Monee B 20-10, not the other way around.
I was informed by an intermediate party speaking with Auburn D that they had lost by 10 points, and that the score was 20-10. I did not receive the scoresheet for this game; if anyone has it, or knows where I can procure accurate individual stats for this game, please let me know (strey . k . a @ gmail . com).
I moderated this match, but Jeff Geringer was keeping score. Auburn D definitely won 20-10, though.
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Post by jonah » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:40 pm

The final and the play-in game for the final are now entered in the stats for the Über-Competitive Division, and the Standard Division stats are posted. All bonus conversion issues should therefore be fixed.

Über-Competitive Division Stats: prelimsparallel brackets phasesuperplayoffsoverall

Standard Division Stats: prelimsplayoffsoverall
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Post by Geringer » Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:52 pm

Aaron Goldfein wrote:
TheDoctor wrote:
Aaron Goldfein wrote:I believe Auburn D defeated Crete-Monee B 20-10, not the other way around.
I was informed by an intermediate party speaking with Auburn D that they had lost by 10 points, and that the score was 20-10. I did not receive the scoresheet for this game; if anyone has it, or knows where I can procure accurate individual stats for this game, please let me know (strey . k . a @ gmail . com).
I moderated this match, but Jeff Geringer was keeping score. Auburn D definitely won 20-10, though.
According to my scoresheet, Crete-Monee B won 20-10. Auburn D didn't get any points on that protest.

Thomas and Brandon both had a tossup for CMB, and Jake had one tossup for Auburn B.
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Jeff and/or board staffers, please edit out the question content mention from the above post.

Edit: Thanks!
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Post by jonah » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:11 pm

Stats have been updated with what Kristin tells me is the correct outcome of that game. I haven't read the actual discussion of it.
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Post by Dominator » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:55 pm

Congratulations to Auburn, and thank you to everyone who made this an excellent tournament. I have only two complaints:

(1) The half-hour delay to clear up some stats snafu after lunch did not seem to affect the top bracket. Had that been cleared up sooner, at least the top bracket could have gotten started, considering they would be playing more rounds anyway.

(2) There were no umlauts on the trophies for the Ubercompetitive [sic] Division. What kind of amateurish crap is that?
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Post by jonah » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:26 pm

Dominator wrote:(1) The half-hour delay to clear up some stats snafu after lunch did not seem to affect the top bracket. Had that been cleared up sooner, at least the top bracket could have gotten started, considering they would be playing more rounds anyway.
It affected only some games, so it's possible your schedule was correct, but there were several in each tier that were incorrect.
Dominator wrote:(2) There were no umlauts on the trophies for the Ubercompetitive [sic] Division. What kind of amateurish crap is that?
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Post by dtaylor4 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:00 pm

Dominator wrote:Congratulations to Auburn, and thank you to everyone who made this an excellent tournament. I have only two complaints:

(1) The half-hour delay to clear up some stats snafu after lunch did not seem to affect the top bracket. Had that been cleared up sooner, at least the top bracket could have gotten started, considering they would be playing more rounds anyway.
To be clear, the stats were not the issue. The issue was in the schedules that were printed.

Also, having the staggered start for that division, when the other division had already started, creates serious issues with teams discussing specific questions too soon.

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Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:08 pm

dtaylor4 wrote:
Dominator wrote:Congratulations to Auburn, and thank you to everyone who made this an excellent tournament. I have only two complaints:

(1) The half-hour delay to clear up some stats snafu after lunch did not seem to affect the top bracket. Had that been cleared up sooner, at least the top bracket could have gotten started, considering they would be playing more rounds anyway.
To be clear, the stats were not the issue. The issue was in the schedules that were printed.

Also, having the staggered start for that division, when the other division had already started, creates serious issues with teams discussing specific questions too soon.
Yeah, I was actually really worried about that in the morning. Because of one reader, the bracket that I was in was apparently a round and a half behind the other brackets at one point, some of which were in the same hallway, and I had to be really careful not to get to talking to the other teams about questions lest they mention something I hadn't heard yet. Starting some afternoon rounds 15 minutes before others would have just caused the same problem. Also, even if your schedule had been right, who's to know whether or not the team you're supposed to be playing got the right schedule and can come start right away, or if you'll just be sitting there for 15 minutes waiting for them to know they're supposed to play you.
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by dtaylor4 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:18 pm

First off, this tournament was not a series of expletives.

Second, props to Joe Nutter for taking the Megabus to fill out the top division for this tournament.

Third, for a tournament this size, electronic scoresheets should be a no-go. There were hiccups with the internet, on account of people sending 20+ big spreadsheets every round. Also, the use of electronic scoresheets makes it difficult to enter games people are clamoring for, when it is impossible to figure out who read them.

Also, what the hell was with not printing schedules of any kind? At the beginning, those of us in the control room had to tell two parents, we had no clue where their children were. This is unacceptable.

I'll probably add more when I can think straight, and move around.

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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by jonah » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:40 pm

dtaylor4 wrote:Third, for a tournament this size, electronic scoresheets should be a no-go. There were hiccups with the internet, on account of people sending 20+ big spreadsheets every round. Also, the use of electronic scoresheets makes it difficult to enter games people are clamoring for, when it is impossible to figure out who read them.
Had I realized this might be a problem, I would've set up a better way to submit them. As it was, I figured that Gmail (which almost all the readers, and both statskeepers, were using) could handle large files.
dtaylor4 wrote:Also, what the hell was with not printing schedules of any kind? At the beginning, those of us in the control room had to tell two parents, we had no clue where their children were. This is unacceptable.
I emailed you the schedules.
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by dtaylor4 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:54 pm

jonah wrote:Had I realized this might be a problem, I would've set up a better way to submit them. As it was, I figured that Gmail (which almost all the readers, and both statskeepers, were using) could handle large files.
dtaylor4 wrote:Also, what the hell was with not printing schedules of any kind? At the beginning, those of us in the control room had to tell two parents, we had no clue where their children were. This is unacceptable.
I emailed you the schedules.
1) There were snafus with people getting/sending emails.

2) We got them from Gerhardt about two hours after we were made to look incompetent.

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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by jonah » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:06 am

I just updated the stats with a corrected score for the round 7 match in which Latin defeated Wheaton Warrenville South A. The correct score is 330–145, not the previously indicated 290–145; I believe the error arose from a certain moderator's inability to read his own handwriting.
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by Aaron Goldfein » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:31 am

Any word on PACE certification?
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by jonah » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:43 am

Conversion stats for every question are available here. Note that that thread is in the private discussion forum for the GSAC set, so you need to request approval to see it. To do that, go to your user control panel, choose "Usergroups", and choose "GSAC discussion"; hopefully you will be approved shortly. Feel free also to email me to request these documents.
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by Deviant Insider » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:13 pm

Aaron Goldfein wrote:Any word on PACE certification?
Rumor has it that we will find out soon. It's only been one month since the tournament took place.
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by Deviant Insider » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:51 am

This tournament is platinum. A bunch of status decisions were made last week and will be announced when PACE gets around to it.
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Re: ADVANTAGE (12/18/2010) at New Trier (Winnetka, IL)

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:31 am

Westwon wrote:This tournament is platinum. A bunch of status decisions were made last week and will be announced when PACE gets around to it.
I'm currently waiting on team data from the certification committee. Your patience as we attempt to accurately add 28 tournaments is appreciated.

edit: had to wait til after class to fix typo; sorry
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