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Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:48 pm

So, with the release of Ohio's first state poll (http://www.createphpbb.com/oac/viewtopi ... mforum=oac) and school starting in two weeks, at least for us, I figured someone should go ahead and post this. I'll post the rankings from the poll, along with a bit of my analysis.

1: Northmont. They return everyone from the team that got 19th at the NSC, and should dominate the state on anything which is not NAQT this year, and won't be shabby at it. Their academic knowledge is very strong and deep, and Brandon and Michael are both some of the best players in the state. NAQT, which makes up the majority of Ohio tournaments, has always been their weak spot as they are not as good at trash and current events as they are at academic stuff, as evidenced by their disappointing finish at the HSNCT, but they still managed to win the NAQT state championship, and should be in serious contention to win it again. In our local crap format, they will also be very good: this year, without Brandon, their best player, they came within two questions from beating us and making it to the semi-finals.

2: Copley. They also return everyone, or at least everyone who scores points. At the beginning of last year, they were down, with Jackson their best player. However, over the course of last year, Saajid Moyen started taking it seriously and has improved dramatically in the last six months, rapidly becoming one of the best players in Ohio, and outscoring Jackson at the last few decent events they went to. The main thing that will hold them back will be their coach, Sue Korosa. Long a champion of Ohio's local format, she deserves credit for getting the program started, but now promotes bad quizbowl and biased rules in the state. For example, Saajid and Jackson were not allowed to try out for Ohio's NASAT team so that they could be with their team at :chip: bowl. Last year they were allowed to attend more NAQT and other non-OAC tournaments as a team, so if this continues they will be a threat for both state titles, especially OAC, with their traditional skill in it.

3: Olmsted Falls. Jim Coury, Ohio's highest returning scorer at the HSNCT, will continue to form the backbone of this team. However, this year may see much more participation and contribution by his teammates, which he has traditionally had many of (they have attended tournaments with at least 4 teams). Twelve people from this team went to ACE camp, and I was impressed with the ones I saw. With Jim being really good and his teammates contributing more, they will be a threat at nationals and have a chance at one of the state championships.

4: Solon. The highest-finishing Ohio team at the HSNCT this year, tied for 17th, they lose three of their four starters at the end of the year, returning only Nishanth. However, Eugene, who is very good at science, will be back, and the big question for them is if he comes. This year, busy with Science Olympiad stuff, he did not attend very many events, especially towards the end of the season. If this happens again, they'll still be very good, but not on a plane with the three teams I mentioned previously. If he does come, Nishanth is an excellent player and they will be a serious team.

5: Walnut Hills. We lose everyone who scored points for us at the HSNCT, except me. They take with them almost all of our fine arts knowledge, most of our literature knowledge, a lot of trash, and a decent portion of our non-history social science. I am good at history, current events, and physics, and went to ACE and studied literature, and someone else went and studied fine arts, and he's good at trash, so we still should be good, especially at NAQT. I don't see a state championship or many tournament wins in the future for us, though.

6: Warren Harding. Appearing out of nowhere last season, they went to the HSNCT and NSC, and, even though they didn't do too well, the experience will have been good for them and inspire them to improve. An all-sophomore team last year, Michael Coates was the HSNCT's top scoring sophomore, and, playing in Skype, his teammate Sam Earthy seems pretty decent as well. They sent multiple people to ACE, and, while they probably won't be one of the top teams this year, with all of them coming back they seem well-positioned to be so next year.

7: St. Charles. They've always showed up at a lot of tournaments every year with a lot of people. They haven't really been a top-tier team for the last several years, but last year they were pretty decent, and apparently they return a lot of their best people, some of whom went to ACE. I don't see them winning a state championship, but this year could be a step back up for them.

8: St. Ignatius. Not the one in Illinois, they showed up a couple of tournaments and did decently last year, including eliminating Olmsted Falls from the OAC championship. Apparently they return most to all of their players from last year, so if they put in some work and travel more they will be a threat.

9: Hudson. I don't know too much about them, being in the opposite corner of the state, but I've heard they're returning their best player. They've always been good at OAC stuff, but from what I've seen they don't do too much decent stuff.

10: Beachwood. They were pretty good last year, and apparently return a lot of people. Depending on how much they work, they'll beat most teams.

Basically, I'd be extremely surprised if a team that is not Northmont, Olmsted Falls, or Copley wins a state championship next year. This year seems to see a lot of the good players from last year returning, and I think the top three teams could do better at national tournaments than Ohio teams have in the past few years - I think both Solon and Copley have gotten 4th place at the HSNCT and NSC, respectively, but those were both years ago. While I don't see a repeat of that, I do think that there is a strong possibility for teams to do better than 17th at the HSNCT and 19th at the NSC.

EDIT: Fixing a couple of sentences that, upon re-reading, didn't make much sense.
EDIT2: Pronouns should agree with antecedents.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Unicolored Jay » Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:46 pm

About my former high school:

Losing me, Ashu, and Ben takes away basically all fine arts, some amount of science (Eugene did not play after December but we still had enough science to work with the rest of the year), some current events, and some lit and mythology. However, Nishanth has been studying over the summer and has improved at lit and is working on covering up the huge arts hole that has appeared from me leaving. Whether his teammates study or not will play a large role in their success. Eugene, if he plays, would be one of the strongest physics players in the nation with deep knowledge in every other science field (with some music to boot) so if he plays, expect another strong finish from Solon.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by OFallsJC » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:55 pm

Joe N wrote:3: Olmsted Falls. Jim Coury, Ohio's highest returning scorer at the HSNCT, will continue to form the backbone of this team. However, this year may see much more participation and contribution by his teammates, which he has traditionally had many of (they have attended tournaments with at least 4 teams). Twelve people from this team went to ACE camp, and I was impressed with the ones I saw. With Jim being really good and his teammates contributing more, they will be a threat at nationals and have a chance at one of the state championships.
We're up to about 23 kids now if a couple freshmen stick with it... We've only lost one senior in three years. ACE camp was excellent because more people have really started studying. Right now we definitely seem to be a bit behind Northmont and Copley, but we will probably still have a shot at NAQT states. We also probably won't qualify for OAC states.

I think Solon is a decent step behind the top 3 right now, but by the middle of the season they should be at the same level. Nishanth has gotten very good. Walnut Hills can get there too but Joe has more holes to plug there than Nishanth and the rest do at Solon.

Anybody from sixth to ninth in the poll, but particularly Harding, could be very underrated. The northeast looks very strong again, so I think teams like St. Ignatius, Hudson, Beachwood, and Hawken might fly under the radar a bit, especially if they don't travel much.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Unicolored Jay » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:23 pm

Wow, a possible Olmsted Falls F team? Wow, that program's going to be around for a while.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Ras superfamily » Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:15 pm

I'm gonna disagree with the previous posts and say that I think Solon is just as good as my team at this point but may not be as good as Northmont. Nishanth is very much underrated.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Rufous-capped Thornbill » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:39 pm

I just wanna put it out there that Saajid from Copley is incredibly improved and is easily a top-3 player in Ohio, and is generally awesome. If he continues his rapid improvement, I'm intrigued to see where that team will be at the end of the year.

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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by StC2011 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:09 am

Slightly off topic, but I was wondering if anyone would be up for skype or irc practices?
My team can only practice one a day a week and I was looking to get a bit more in
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by nadph » Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:33 am

Not sure if you know this already, but there's usually a bot reading questions on slashnet in #scobowl, although you'd be practicing against pretty much whoever was on at the time (so it's not region-specific). #scrimmage (with human readers, but more subject to the vagaries of schedule) exists as well, but has been inactive for a couple of months now.
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Post by swwFCqb » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:43 pm

StC2011 wrote:Slightly off topic, but I was wondering if anyone would be up for skype or irc practices?
My team can only practice one a day a week and I was looking to get a bit more in
I'm pretty sure a bunch of people from around Ohio already do semi-regular Skype practices with each other. If you check out Ohio's forum then you will be able to find more info there and coordinate specific practice sessions if that's something you want to do.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Unicolored Jay » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:22 pm

nadph wrote:Not sure if you know this already, but there's usually a bot reading questions on slashnet in #scobowl, although you'd be practicing against pretty much whoever was on at the time (so it's not region-specific). #scrimmage (with human readers, but more subject to the vagaries of schedule) exists as well, but has been inactive for a couple of months now.
I used to do both this and skype, but I prefer using skype now, since it got to the point where there were like 2-3 membowlers on IRC all the time. Which, of course, is not very fun. And Ohio is the only state where a lot of the best players use skype. There were plenty of skype practices in the last few years.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by OFallsJC » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:48 pm

By the end of the summer we were practicing on Skype about twice a week, but we haven't been on at all (as far as I know) since school started up. I imagine we'll start having them again eventually.I like Skype a lot better because it's more realistic; the only problem is that you need someone to read so it doesn't work with only two people.

PS to everyone: I'm pretty sure Copley is better than us.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Ras superfamily » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:08 pm

I think by the end of the year some kid will want to be good and learn a lot of stuff and all these rankings will be blown to crap

Edit: i meant like a random person who is, at this point, not a great player
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Ras superfamily » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:24 am

While my last post wasn't completely correct, I think we have seen some surprising improvement in a lot of teams. For example, Sycamore was good at Rowdy Raider, and Northmont has a really good new person on their A team. I guess the tiers of teams haven't really changed much, but that's just a result of the improvement in the quality of all teams.

Also, I think that the first Ohio team to beat Northmont this year (if that even happens) should get a prize of some sort

EDIT: I guess I should clarify my GRAND PRIZE SWEEPSTAKES to be on regular difficulty sets or harder
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Rufous-capped Thornbill » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:04 pm

There's not a hsqb thread for it, but there was a tournament at OSU this past Saturday, and some pretty good teams played. HSAPQ Set 16 was used, and Northmont won, with Copley placing 2nd, Dunbar 3rd and Solon A 4th.

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ACF rules dictated that a final be played between Northmont and Copley, but both teams wanted to go home, so none was played, which is unfortunate, because both are tremendous teams.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:10 pm

Did you moderate at the tournament? How was the set?

Copley looks like a great team, for sure. I'm thinking my 25 rank is very justified, and seems silly that so many left them off the list.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Rufous-capped Thornbill » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:16 pm

Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Did you moderate at the tournament? How was the set?

Copley looks like a great team, for sure. I'm thinking my 25 rank is very justified, and seems silly that so many left them off the list.
I did. We were the first tournament to use the set (I believe) so there were issues with some grammar, missing words, and even a few factual errors, which I assume someone (possibly me) will send to HSAPQ, but the content itself was suburb, I thought. There were some tossups on things that I personally believe don't belong in High School Quizbowl, but that's the nature of the game right now. Overall I liked it. It's a set I would have enjoyed playing last year.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by OFallsJC » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:29 pm

TheCopleyIndian wrote:Also, I think that the first Ohio team to beat Northmont this year (if that even happens) should get a prize of some sort

EDIT: I guess I should clarify my GRAND PRIZE SWEEPSTAKES to be on regular difficulty sets or harder
I think Walnut is your winner. :party:
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Unicolored Jay » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:36 am

I think there were a few gimme bonuses in the set, but I echo everything else Jarret has said. And yeah, Copley's definitely and underrated team. Olmsted Falls split teams at this tournament if you're curious.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by AKKOLADE » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:45 am

Inkana7 wrote:There were some tossups on things that I personally believe don't belong in High School Quizbowl, but that's the nature of the game right now
I'm not sure what that means, to be honest.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Rufous-capped Thornbill » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:46 am

Fred wrote:
Inkana7 wrote:There were some tossups on things that I personally believe don't belong in High School Quizbowl, but that's the nature of the game right now
I'm not sure what that means, to be honest.
I'm in the Charlie Dees school of "there are things that are being asked right now that are way too hard for high schoolers."
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Post by AKKOLADE » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:28 pm

Oh, okay, cool. I just wasn't sure if you were saying that, or if you were saying something like "this set was too easy" or "this set's 2/2 Internet porn distro was not the best idea."
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by the return of AHAN » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:08 pm

Fred wrote:Oh, okay, cool. I just wasn't sure if you were saying that, or if you were saying something like "this set was too easy" or "this set's 2/2 Internet porn distro was not the best idea."
Fortunately, I was eating lunch and not around people when I read this. :lol:
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Ras superfamily » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:06 pm

OFallsJC wrote:
TheCopleyIndian wrote:Also, I think that the first Ohio team to beat Northmont this year (if that even happens) should get a prize of some sort

EDIT: I guess I should clarify my GRAND PRIZE SWEEPSTAKES to be on regular difficulty sets or harder
I think Walnut is your winner. :party:
Walnut is definitely the winner of these sweepstakes. I was actually going to give him a prize but I forgot on Sunday. Next time, Joe.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:14 pm

TheCopleyIndian wrote:
OFallsJC wrote:
TheCopleyIndian wrote:Also, I think that the first Ohio team to beat Northmont this year (if that even happens) should get a prize of some sort

EDIT: I guess I should clarify my GRAND PRIZE SWEEPSTAKES to be on regular difficulty sets or harder
I think Walnut is your winner. :party:
Walnut is definitely the winner of these sweepstakes. I was actually going to give him a prize but I forgot on Sunday. Next time, Joe.
Haha, I'll remind you at Solon.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by jgalea84 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:23 pm

Copley, Olmsted Falls, and Solon (probably in that order) are the three best teams I've seen in Ohio this year, with the caveat that I have yet to see Northmont play.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by dxdtdemon » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:40 am

jgalea84 wrote:Copley, Olmsted Falls, and Solon (probably in that order) are the three best teams I've seen in Ohio this year, with the caveat that I have yet to see Northmont play.
In the most recent poll on the Ohio board back in December, Northmont was a unanimous first, Olmsted Falls was an almost-unanimous second, Copley was an almost-unanimous third (Olmsted Falls and Copley were either 2-3 or 3-2 on every ballot), and Solon was a unanimous fourth. After that, twelve teams took the remaining six spots in the fifteen voters' different ballots in a bunch of different orders. Those twelve teams were Walnut Hills, St. Charles, Warren Harding, Sycamore, St. Ignatius, Brush, Beachwood, Tippecanoe, Hudson, Northmont B, Sidney, and Olentangy Liberty.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by jgalea84 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:57 am

quantumfootball wrote:
jgalea84 wrote:Copley, Olmsted Falls, and Solon (probably in that order) are the three best teams I've seen in Ohio this year, with the caveat that I have yet to see Northmont play.
In the most recent poll on the Ohio board back in December, Northmont was a unanimous first, Olmsted Falls was an almost-unanimous second, Copley was an almost-unanimous third (Olmsted Falls and Copley were either 2-3 or 3-2 on every ballot), and Solon was a unanimous fourth. After that, twelve teams took the remaining six spots in the fifteen voters' different ballots in a bunch of different orders. Those twelve teams were Walnut Hills, St. Charles, Warren Harding, Sycamore, St. Ignatius, Brush, Beachwood, Tippecanoe, Hudson, Northmont B, Sidney, and Olentangy Liberty.
Apparently Northmont and Olmsted Falls split a pair of games today at OSU. I'd say that that 1-2-3 order you described is pretty accurate. Should be some fun battles the rest of the way.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:40 pm

jgalea84 wrote: Apparently Northmont and Olmsted Falls split a pair of games today at OSU. I'd say that that 1-2-3 order you described is pretty accurate. Should be some fun battles the rest of the way.
I read the prelim match when Olmsted Falls beat Northmont. Northmont had firm control over the game until the 3rd quarter lightning round when Olmsted picked the relatively easy category (compared to the other two categories) and swept the category (which meant they got the 20 point bonus). Compared to Northmont answering just 4, and it was something like a 80-90 point swing. Paul read the Finals that Northmont won, I don't know how the teams stacked up in the final, I was reading the JV final.

I don't think there's any question that Northmont and Olmsted are the class of Ohio right now. They're close, but I'd still give the edge to Northmont. It's hard to compare the two based on this weekend, since it was primarily history only questions, with only a couple Lit and pop culture questions mixed in.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Unicolored Jay » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:44 pm

Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:
jgalea84 wrote: I don't think there's any question that Northmont and Olmsted are the class of Ohio right now. They're close, but I'd still give the edge to Northmont. It's hard to compare the two based on this weekend, since it was primarily history only questions, with only a couple Lit and pop culture questions mixed in.
Don't forget Copley. Also, Northmont beat Olmsted Falls at Wright State's tournament last December, which IIRC was their only other head-to-head matchup this year, so I'd put them ahead for now.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by OFallsJC » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:15 pm

Back in November Northmont beat us at Tipp. They also beat a team with Mike and Sohan and lost to one with me and Marty at Parkersburg. But those were all on A sets and Parkersburg had a weird format.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:19 am

Judy Sucks a Lemon for Breakfast wrote: Don't forget Copley. Also, Northmont beat Olmsted Falls at Wright State's tournament last December, which IIRC was their only other head-to-head matchup this year, so I'd put them ahead for now.
I tend to do that because I haven't seen Copley, as much as the other two, yet. I did see the final, at Olmsted, when they lost to DCC. It looked like DCC was going to blow them away, but Copley fought back to make a game of it. Also, from what I understand, Solon didn't have their full A-team for at Olmsted. It's nice to see Ohio as competitive as it is right now. Given the right questions, Copley and Olmsted Falls can certainly beat Northmont. Add in Solon, when they're at full strength, and Ohio's a dog fight.

Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to the Solon 2-day Tournament this weekend. :grin:
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by jgalea84 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:00 pm

Solon two-day this past weekend:

Olmsted Falls goes 10-0 and wins the NAQT portion of the weekend on Saturday.

Northmont goes 10-0 and wins the PACE portion of the weekend on Sunday against a tougher field (DCC was there Sunday and not Saturday).
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Post by Sniper, No Sniping! » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:41 pm

I didn't really word this the best on the Ohio board, and I wasn't there for the tournament but I think that the Solon tournament (with some of Ohio's best teams, sans Solon who I am assuming was staffing the tournament) is a testament of how just how strong and deep Ohio quiz bowl is. You could even take the teams that would be considered "Average" in comparison to the powers right now (Northmont, OF etc) and put them in an out of state tournament and they'll either win it or finish high enough where they could qualify for the HSNCT.
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Post by jgalea84 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:08 pm

CavsFan2k10 wrote:I didn't really word this the best on the Ohio board, and I wasn't there for the tournament but I think that the Solon tournament (with some of Ohio's best teams, sans Solon who I am assuming was staffing the tournament) is a testament of how just how strong and deep Ohio quiz bowl is. You could even take the teams that would be considered "Average" in comparison to the powers right now (Northmont, OF etc) and put them in an out of state tournament and they'll either win it or finish high enough where they could qualify for the HSNCT.
Win might be a bit strong, but they'd hold their own, yeah.

Brush, Hawken, and Beachwood are three teams that seemed to have a good weekend, from what I recall.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Rufous-capped Thornbill » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:06 pm

So, uh, Culver got 4th at the Solon Sunday tournament, played on the Harvard Fall Set, beating Olmsted Falls and DCC, among others.

Except it appears that they already played the set at Auburn.

This doesn't seem kosher.
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Post by Ras superfamily » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:16 pm

Stats aren't up yet for Solon, but I know that Andrew van Duyn was there on both days, so unless Culver has another player who scores 90+ ppg who went to Auburn's HFT mirror and used Andrew van Duyn as a pseudonym...
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Post by solon5g93 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:25 pm

I'm on the Solon High School team and I can confirm that we did in fact use the Harvard Fall Tournament during our Sunday PACE-format tournament. We power-marked it ourselves, that's why there are powers on the stats.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:01 am

I'm almost inclined to forgive them just so we can all have the experience of having Culver come to tournaments where we then mock them ceaselessly for performing one of the most phenomenally idiotic cheating jobs yet perpetrated on quizbowl.
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Post by Sniper, No Sniping! » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:14 am

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:I'm almost inclined to forgive them just so we can all have the experience of having Culver come to tournaments where we then mock them ceaselessly for performing one of the most phenomenally idiotic cheating jobs yet perpetrated on quizbowl.
I like where your going with this, but I don't think it would serve any justice to the top players of the State of Ohio who work their butts off for QB that such a dirty and distasteful feint occurred and it would be treated as a despise point. Olmsted Falls, Detroit Catholic Central and Joe Nutter are excellent ambassadors of good quiz bowl and are part of the class of fine quiz bowl both in their performances and their contributions to the community. In addition to the aforementioned parties, Tippecanoe and Warren G. Harding (specifically Michael Coates) are excellent quiz bowl programs that put the blood, sweat and tears into their efforts and it's just really frustrating in our eyes to see that teams feel the need to cheat in an honorable activity. We can hope the appropriate actions be taken to ensure such a problem will never happen again.
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Post by Auroni » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:24 am

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:I'm almost inclined to forgive them just so we can all have the experience of having Culver come to tournaments where we then mock them ceaselessly for performing one of the most phenomenally idiotic cheating jobs yet perpetrated on quizbowl.
I would rather wait to hear some more information, like whether or not the tournament hosts knew that a team in their field had heard questions from that particular set before, or whether or not anyone associated with the Culver team realized before the day was over that they had heard the questions already, before doing anything like this.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:28 am

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Post by Edward Elric » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:05 am

Well I guess we have our National Quizbowl Acts of Questionable Morality for February!
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Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:42 am

Edward Elric wrote:Well I guess we have our National Quizbowl Acts of Questionable Morality for February!
This has always been the worst month for that.
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Post by Skepticism and Animal Feed » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:55 am

HFT: slightly less impossible the second time around
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Post by cherenkov » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:26 pm

I'd like to direct everyone to my coach's response to the allegations here:http://www.createphpbb.com/oac/viewtopi ... mforum=oac

Also, I want to tell you all from my own mouth that I was unaware I was replaying a set I had already heard. Clues run together, as people who play a lot of quiz bowl know. If I had known, I would have surely spoken up. There is nothing in the world I love doing more than playing quiz bowl, and I know this is true of many of the other great players at the Solon tournament. I would never do anything to belittle their efforts, and I would never do something to damage my integrity.

Edit: was telling people how to post
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:45 pm

Also, I want to tell you all from my own mouth that I was unaware I was replaying a set I had already heard. Clues run together, as people who play a lot of quiz bowl know.
This is simply beyond belief, especially because, as has been pointed out, there are lots of bizarrely difficult answerlines in this HFT set that rarely come up elsewhere in high school. To think that you could go through 10 rounds without even thinking for a second that something was afoot leads to the conclusion that you either:
1) are a phenomenally dim bulb.
2) were in some sort of condition to prevent you from remembering things (illness, medication, drugs), in which case you should have brought those up in your defense already.
3) are lying through your teeth.
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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Sniper, No Sniping! » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:25 pm

cherenkov wrote:I'd like to direct everyone to my coach's response to the allegations here:http://www.createphpbb.com/oac/viewtopi ... mforum=oac

Also, I want to tell you all from my own mouth that I was unaware I was replaying a set I had already heard. Clues run together, as people who play a lot of quiz bowl know. If I had known, I would have surely spoken up. There is nothing in the world I love doing more than playing quiz bowl, and I know this is true of many of the other great players at the Solon tournament. I would never do anything to belittle their efforts, and I would never do something to damage my integrity.

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Re: Ohio '10 - '11

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:31 am

To give some context: Andrew's statline of 28-29 over five games (because of PACE-format powers, giving him 170 ppg; without the 20-point powers, would give him 114 ppg) is only somewhat better than how he did at Auburn (49 tossups in five games; discounting negs, that gives him 98 ppg). Comparable amounts of shadow effect from his teammates, in fact. So, like, there's no question having played the set gave him an unfair advantage, but it doesn't appear he studied his notebook from Auburn or anything. Or, at least, if he did consciously cheat at this he did a trash job of it.
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Post by Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:27 am

cherenkov wrote:I'd like to direct everyone to my coach's response to the allegations here:http://www.createphpbb.com/oac/viewtopi ... mforum=oac

Also, I want to tell you all from my own mouth that I was unaware I was replaying a set I had already heard. Clues run together, as people who play a lot of quiz bowl know. If I had known, I would have surely spoken up. There is nothing in the world I love doing more than playing quiz bowl, and I know this is true of many of the other great players at the Solon tournament. I would never do anything to belittle their efforts, and I would never do something to damage my integrity.

Edit: was telling people how to post
Yeah, not buying it. My team will notice at practice when we've had the same packet and at the beginning asks if I made sure I've got new ones for them (within the first couple questions), even packets used years back. Granted, we don't travel at all as much as Culver, so they don't hear as many. The tournaments that ran the HFT set were 4 months apart.

Obviously, I'm not someone you need to convince and I don't know if I would go so far as to say your coach facilitated this cheating. However, I would hope he's not completely blind and punishes you accordingly (whatever that might be). I could never condone a player cheating, and then lying to me about it, but let each handle their own, I guess.
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Post by cornfused » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:24 pm

Adm Akbar says It's a Tarp! wrote:and I don't know if I would go so far as to say your coach facilitated this cheating.
From reading the Ohio boards (and from my own memory of the Auburn tournament), Coach Blessman's at least partially in the clear on that one - he wasn't at Auburn, so he wouldn't have noticed repeated questions.
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