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Social Science CANON LIST

Post by Coldblueberry » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:18 am

:( Not helpful, still have absolutely no desire to study SS. Thanks guys!
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Re: Social Science CANON LIST

Post by Coldblueberry » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:47 am

Ugh, forgot to do an inb4 Culture Page.

I have no way of distinguishing what's for HS and what's for College.
I want difficulty like FallNovice >>>>> HFT and MUT/EFT Undergrad stuff.

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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:58 am

This is not how quizbowl should work.
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Re: Social Science CANON LIST

Post by Coldblueberry » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:34 pm

how is it supposed to be played? Why can't I try and get better the way that I think is the most efficient?
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Post by Broad-tailed Grassbird » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:58 am

i am very disappointed this wasn't called the "social studies cannon' list.
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Post by PennySalem » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:11 pm

I'm sort of suspicious that top programs/teams have things like this....
Psychology is a social science, btw... Take AP Psych lul... or you can go look up famous psychologists. AP reviews are nice :) http://quizlet.com/878192/ap-psych-revi ... ash-cards/
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Post by Kwang the Ninja » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:51 pm

It's not supposed to work like this because you aren't going out and reading articles and questions and discovering these things for yourself, you are trying to get others to tell you what to know. The thing that gets lost sometimes in the shuffle of quizbowl is that it is baseline about intelligent people being exposed to interesting fields and concepts that they may otherwise not have learned about. When you ask others to put together just a list of things for you to learn just for quizbowl, you are circumventing the system and depriving yourself of the opportunity to gain knowledge about something. Go to the culture page, search the archive, find interesting articles about the subject and read them, but most of all, do it for yourself. Quizbowl is great, but gaining an education is more important than having a couple of extra powers every round.
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Post by Skepticism and Animal Feed » Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:45 pm

Kwang the Ninja wrote:It's not supposed to work like this because you aren't going out and reading articles and questions and discovering these things for yourself, you are trying to get others to tell you what to know. The thing that gets lost sometimes in the shuffle of quizbowl is that it is baseline about intelligent people being exposed to interesting fields and concepts that they may otherwise not have learned about. When you ask others to put together just a list of things for you to learn just for quizbowl, you are circumventing the system and depriving yourself of the opportunity to gain knowledge about something. Go to the culture page, search the archive, find interesting articles about the subject and read them, but most of all, do it for yourself. Quizbowl is great, but gaining an education is more important than having a couple of extra powers every round.
I would not be one of the foremost neo-Westbrookian theorists of quizbowl if I did not whole-heartedly condemn this post.

People have finite time in which to learn things; if they want to learn things in their free time that will also get the points in quizbowl, this is as legitimate as any other reason people might have to learn things. I don't understand how "here is a list of things you should learn" deprives people of the opportunity to gain knowledge. Doesn't it do the opposite? Once somebody has a list, they can go learn about those things in depth.

Indeed, what a canon does is eliminate the initial question of "what should I learn?" and lets people delve straight into the learning process. It liberates the player.
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Post by Kwang the Ninja » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:28 pm

Morraine Man wrote:
Kwang the Ninja wrote:It's not supposed to work like this because you aren't going out and reading articles and questions and discovering these things for yourself, you are trying to get others to tell you what to know. The thing that gets lost sometimes in the shuffle of quizbowl is that it is baseline about intelligent people being exposed to interesting fields and concepts that they may otherwise not have learned about. When you ask others to put together just a list of things for you to learn just for quizbowl, you are circumventing the system and depriving yourself of the opportunity to gain knowledge about something. Go to the culture page, search the archive, find interesting articles about the subject and read them, but most of all, do it for yourself. Quizbowl is great, but gaining an education is more important than having a couple of extra powers every round.
I would not be one of the foremost neo-Westbrookian theorists of quizbowl if I did not whole-heartedly condemn this post.

People have finite time in which to learn things; if they want to learn things in their free time that will also get the points in quizbowl, this is as legitimate as any other reason people might have to learn things. I don't understand how "here is a list of things you should learn" deprives people of the opportunity to gain knowledge. Doesn't it do the opposite? Once somebody has a list, they can go learn about those things in depth.

Indeed, what a canon does is eliminate the initial question of "what should I learn?" and lets people delve straight into the learning process. It liberates the player.
I'm not saying that "fake" knowledge is bad or that the idea of a canon is bad: I think someone coming on the forums and essentially saying, "I don't know anything about this and I don't want to put in the work to learn it on my own; everybody tell me everything that I need to know so I can memorize it and score points" is bad. The community at large should be responsible for guiding people to resources they can use and for helping new players to figure out how to get good, not for giving them a black-and-white list of clues/bonus answers.
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Re: Social Science CANON LIST

Post by Coldblueberry » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:21 am

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Re: Social Science CANON LIST

Post by jdeliverer » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:05 am

You honestly expect a high school junior with no experience or burning passion in SS to google/wiki/encyclopedia every person on that list?
No; do you honestly expect people to come up with an ordered list of topics that you should learn about? Go and search question databases. Read about the most important topics in those fields and then follow references to other important areas in the field.

You probably will recognize some of the names on that list from your own experiences. That's a good indication of importance, and they are probably a good place to start.

Otherwise, NAQT already sells frequency lists. If all you want is an ordered list of things to study, the nonfiction one will cover much of the subject matter you seem to be thinking about.
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:56 am

Search in the ACF database for all ACF Fall social science questions.

Or, here, i just did it for you: http://carloangiuli.com/acfdb/search.ph ... studies_=1

That will help you a ton.
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Post by grapesmoker » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:57 pm

Kwang the Ninja wrote:It's not supposed to work like this because you aren't going out and reading articles and questions and discovering these things for yourself, you are trying to get others to tell you what to know. The thing that gets lost sometimes in the shuffle of quizbowl is that it is baseline about intelligent people being exposed to interesting fields and concepts that they may otherwise not have learned about. When you ask others to put together just a list of things for you to learn just for quizbowl, you are circumventing the system and depriving yourself of the opportunity to gain knowledge about something. Go to the culture page, search the archive, find interesting articles about the subject and read them, but most of all, do it for yourself. Quizbowl is great, but gaining an education is more important than having a couple of extra powers every round.
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Re: Social Science CANON LIST

Post by nadph » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:08 am

Take a course and/or read the authors and works you just listed. "Efficiency" is not a good consideration here because memorizing titles and binary-associating may give you flashy early buzzes, but ultimately will make quizbowl a hollow experience. Getting that early buzz you "deserved" because you took the time to actually read and analyze Deep Play: Notes on the Balinese Cockfight is better than a hundred reflex buzzes on "Anti-Anti-Relativism." And if you read something by Geertz, hey, you're likely to be more interested in learning more about him, so you'll still hopefully get those points.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:10 am

Jesus Christ everyone stop asking about Clifford Geertz in high school. What is wrong with everybody that this happens all the time?
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Post by Charbroil » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:52 am

Coldblueberry wrote: Does it mean, please tell me what to memorize? No, it means please tell me what to study, as in SO I KNOW WHAT TO "articles, books, papers" to read. People have other commitments than Quizbowl, such as...school. ESPECIALLY, for subjects that don't come up in school, (QB motivates my APUSH studying), I would like to study the most efficiently.
Implying that no one else has non-Quiz Bowl commitments really isn't a good way of asking people for help. Not that I'm telling you not to post comments along those lines if you feel it will help your cause, but that's just my personal opinion.

That said, I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to try to get a basic idea of what comes up in a subject when they start playing, especially since I would suspect that all of the good (and not so good) players in this thread have done so at some point via some "non-real knowledge" method. While I personally think that studying from lists is the absolutely most boring way to improve at Quiz Bowl, the fact is that Quiz Bowl is much more fun if you can actually answer questions. Thus, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing things for the sake at improving at Quiz Bowl, any more than it's wrong to do fairly boring, repetitive tasks that have little value in of themselves in order to improve at any other competitive activity.

Anyway, to answer the original question, you can find decent books that cover the basics of most of the major social sciences in your library, which should allow you to lock down most questions on concepts. Beyond that, looking through that list of ACF Fall social science questions and reading the articles about the answer lines on Wikipedia as well as looking at connected articles should be enough for you to get most if not all social science questions on people and other things with names, at least by the giveaway.

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nadph wrote:"Efficiency" is not a good consideration here because memorizing titles and binary-associating may give you flashy early buzzes, but ultimately will make quizbowl a hollow experience.
While you're definitely right that reading is better, can you honestly say that you have to take a course or read a book (or at least an article) on an answer for a buzz on it to not be "hollow?" It hardly seems realistic for anyone seeking to become a nationals level player to follow your advice*, so are you really arguing that the only way anyone can ever be really good is "not a good consideration?"

* I have heard that Andrew Yaphe apparently hasn't read any packets for years, so I guess it's technically possible to get good at Quiz Bowl using only real knowledge, but I suspect (and correct me if I'm wrong), that even he had to read a packet at some point. Regardless, according to your logic, even learning clues from practice is bad because many of those clues are going to be binary association. Also, telling everyone to just become Andrew Yaphe is somewhat unrealistic.
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Post by grapesmoker » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:09 am

Look, it's all very simple: if you aren't interested in actually reading something to learn about it for whatever reason, that's your prerogative. Go ahead and make flashcards or memorize lists or do whatever it is you think you need to do. But you're not going to get much traction asking other people to tell you what to memorize so you can win games. Put in at least a little effort here.
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Post by Cheynem » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:13 am

This thread reminds me of that thread Andrew (Hart) made a while ago in which he urged people to stop posting threads asking for magic bullets for "getting good" at certain topics. While I don't want to pick on the thread originator and I am sympathetic to his desire to get better, the fact remains that nobody is going to assemble a "study this now and get good" list for topics for other people, even if such a list existed.

The way to learn topics is to: First, get a baseline competence by whatever method--looking at old packets, reading packets, going to tournaments, making flashcards, whatever. Then, actually learn these things by writing questions on them or going out and learning them through reading, courses, etc. There is no way you can assemble a magic list to solve the problem of actually doing legwork in these cases.
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