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On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - Herp Derp

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:13 pm
by AKKOLADE
I plan on bringing this back for next year, as time allows.

I will probably request assistance from some people just on gathering the necessary data; I'll post further information as I determine it.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:22 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Thanks, as always, for doing this sort of thing here Fred. I'll be happy to help out if you wish.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:26 am
by AKKOLADE
Went through stuff from last year. Here's the changes from preseason to postseason rankings, for the top 25 of each.
State College 1 -> 1
LASA 2 -> 2
Bellarmine 3 -> 3
Hunter 6-> 4
Maggie Walker 4 -> 5

Stevenson 5 -> 6
Auburn 12 -> 7
Dorman 7 -> 8
Seven Lakes 8 -> 9
St. Ignatius 18 -> 10

Centennial NR -> 11
Thomas Jefferson A 9 -> 12
DCC 15 -> 13
Dunbar 14 -> 14
duPont Manual 13 -> 15

Novi NR -> 16
Ladue NR -> 17
Copley NR -> 18
Walton 19 -> 19
Alpharetta 10 -> 20

Georgetown Day NR -> 21
Thomas Jefferson B NR -> 22
Chattahoochee NR -> 23
Northmont 17 -> 24
St. Anselm's 16 -> 25

Richard Montgomery 22 -> 26
Olmsted Falls 23 -> 29
Cistercian 24 -> 30
Mission San Jose 11 -> 32
Oak Park and River Forest 25 -> 36
Loyola 21 -> 40
Walter Johnson 20 -> 62

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:00 am
by Angry Babies in Love
Fred wrote:Went through stuff from last year. Here's the changes from preseason to postseason rankings, for the top 25 of each.
State College 1 -> 1
LASA 2 -> 2
Bellarmine 3 -> 3
Hunter 6-> 4
Maggie Walker 4 -> 5

Stevenson 5 -> 6
Auburn 12 -> 7
Dorman 7 -> 8
Seven Lakes 8 -> 9
St. Ignatius 18 -> 10

Centennial NR -> 11
Thomas Jefferson A 9 -> 12
DCC 15 -> 13
Dunbar 14 -> 14
duPont Manual 13 -> 15

Novi NR -> 16
Ladue NR -> 17
Copley NR -> 18
Walton 19 -> 19
Alpharetta 10 -> 20

Georgetown Day NR -> 21
Thomas Jefferson B NR -> 22
Chattahoochee NR -> 23
Northmont 17 -> 24
St. Anselm's 16 -> 25

Richard Montgomery 22 -> 26
Olmsted Falls 23 -> 29
Cistercian 24 -> 30
Mission San Jose 11 -> 32
Oak Park and River Forest 25 -> 36
Loyola 21 -> 40
Walter Johnson 20 -> 62
Some of these are pretty interesting. It's intriguing to see how St. Anselm's and RM got worse as the year went on.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:42 am
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
I don't think "worse" is the right word, just probably over-rated... or at least, a lot of teams under-rated instead.

EDIT: wrong word.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:57 pm
by AKKOLADE
Quiz bowl team emotionally demolished after finishing 4 spots below its pre-season ranking in postseason ranking in stupid, dumb poll. Film at eleven on the Quizbowl Tribune.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:58 pm
by AKKOLADE

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:01 pm
by Mewto55555
WHY IS EVERYONE RANKED ALL WRONG

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:04 pm
by AKKOLADE
Mewto55555 wrote:WHY IS EVERYONE RANKED ALL WRONG (2011)

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:09 pm
by Dominator
Fred, I think you should take into account how IMSA was missing our third best player for the IMSA HEAT OF THE NIGHT tournament, and our second best player's pet kitten had recently run away, and so our performance was understandably less-than-optimal. When you figure that in, it seems we should be ranked at least 2 and possibly 6 places higher.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:16 pm
by Boeing X-20, Please!
YOU NOW NEED TO RANK TEAMS BASED ON THE MERIT OF THEIR NAME-MOVIE PORTMANTEAUS
GO GO GO GO GO

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:18 pm
by Black-throated Antshrike
Mewto55555 wrote:WHY IS EVERYONE RANKED ALL WRONG
WHY DIDN'T YOU RANK RANDOM SCHOOL 271 FROM NORTH DAKOTA????????????

EVERYTHING IN HERE IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I CAN NEVER TAKE ANY OF THESE RANKINGS SERIOUSLY NOW!!!!!!!!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:26 pm
by AKKOLADE
I get that people sometimes take them too seriously, but I think the "people complaining about the rankings - so silly!" thing is probably drove into the ground at this point.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:28 pm
by No Electricity Required
So on the serious (but by no means too serious) side of this thread, I'm curious as to the reasoning behind DCC not making the top 25.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:36 pm
by Francis the Talking France
There should be separate rankings for teams that never actually had 4 player teams..like mine! >_> (or attended any events/placed well in any events that would warrant acknowledgement)

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:37 pm
by Sniper, No Sniping!
MattNC wrote:There should be separate rankings for teams that never actually had 4 player teams..like mine! >_>
The problem is, teams like State College A tend to do 3 player teams, so it kind of skews the purpose.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:39 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Good top 25. Really no complaints; there are lots of really really good teams out there.

I'm interested to see what's going to happen with State College and Maggie Walker. They had good B Teams last year (MW more than SC) but it's anyone's guess as to how good they'll be now that they're on their own.

I don't think CR will break the top 25 this year but i hope to at least be considered in the top 50 at some point. I just don't know if we have the work ethic beyond our captain. We'll see; three summer practices have gone well (i haven't attended any) and a fourth is happening next week. It's interesting to note that i think our team will actually be better than we were in 09-10 (when we sniffed the voting polls and make some noise in the HSNCT playoffs), but unfortunately the rest of the country got much much better since then and we, well, didn't. We'll try to catch up but have a long way to go.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:52 pm
by sssssssskkkk
MattNC wrote:There should be separate rankings for teams that never actually had 4 player teams..like mine! >_> (or attended any events/placed well in any events that would warrant acknowledgement)
The top teams play down 1-2 players all the time, and they still are able to cope with it. Missing players is a part of the game.

On another note,
Dominator wrote:Fred, I think you should take into account how IMSA was missing our third best player for the IMSA HEAT OF THE NIGHT tournament, and our second best player's pet kitten had recently run away, and so our performance was understandably less-than-optimal. When you figure that in, it seems we should be ranked at least 2 and possibly 6 places higher.
You forgot that our 3.14th best player got 5.9 instead of the usual 6.0 hours of sleep the night before for one of the tournaments and thus resulted in said suboptimal performances.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:10 am
by Cody
MattNC wrote:There should be separate rankings for teams that never actually had 4 player teams..like mine! >_> (or attended any events/placed well in any events that would warrant acknowledgement)
c.f. Saint Anselm?

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:14 am
by Sniper, No Sniping!
sssssssskkkk wrote:
MattNC wrote:There should be separate rankings for teams that never actually had 4 player teams..like mine! >_> (or attended any events/placed well in any events that would warrant acknowledgement)
The top teams play down 1-2 players all the time, and they still are able to cope with it. Missing players is a part of the game.
Yeah, but your talking the top players of the nation being formed on a 3 man team, well rounded players, so it doesn't matter too much as opposed to middle of the road Chapel Hill (no offense Matt).

Anyways, I think it would be extremely and unnecessarily meticulous to make a whole set of rankings just for 3 man teams. Teams play with all different sorts of handicaps all the time, (like we did, such as me being the only "real" A team player that actually played throughout the year).

Also, I think some team on the cusp of the top 25 higher/lower could end up being a legit force Nationally this year and knock off some higher teams and get a higher-than-expected placement at the HSNCT or PACE.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:26 am
by abnormal abdomen
Thanks for doing this again, Fred.

I'll say that DCC will probably continue to be good. They lose all their "starters" from last year, but they tend to reload. Seven Lakes is probably going to be really good as well. They return all of the players from the team that finished 14th at NSC.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:48 am
by The Dance of Sorrow
Riot In Cell Block Nine wrote:Thanks for doing this again, Fred.

I'll say that DCC will probably continue to be good. They lose all their "starters" from last year, but they tend to reload. Seven Lakes is probably going to be really good as well. They return all of the players from the team that finished 14th at NSC.
Two of Seven Lakes' guys who are returning did some good stuff at NASAT, or so I've heard.

I'm excited to see how my own team will do this year, seeing as we snuck in the bottom of the rankings last year. We're definitely not Top 25-worthy, but it would be cool to see who we all can match up to after returning an all-underclassman team that went 5-5 at HSNCT.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:57 am
by i never see pigeons in wheeling
King of Carrot Flowers wrote:
Riot In Cell Block Nine wrote:Thanks for doing this again, Fred.

I'll say that DCC will probably continue to be good. They lose all their "starters" from last year, but they tend to reload. Seven Lakes is probably going to be really good as well. They return all of the players from the team that finished 14th at NSC.
Two of Seven Lakes' guys who are returning did some good stuff at NASAT, or so I've heard.

I'm excited to see how my own team will do this year, seeing as we snuck in the bottom of the rankings last year. We're definitely not Top 25-worthy, but it would be cool to see who we all can match up to after returning an all-underclassman team that went 5-5 at HSNCT.
Yep, Seven Lakes has a freshman who put up great numbers at NASAT despite being on a team with noted OK players Benji and Thomas (who were incidentally both All-Stars). Even without Jiawei, they'll be a team to really look out for next year.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:08 am
by Nine-Tenths Ideas
Me, in 2010 wrote: I think there should be special rankings for teams with non-human players.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:33 am
by Francis the Talking France
Yeah, but your talking the top players of the nation being formed on a 3 man team, well rounded players, so it doesn't matter too much as opposed to middle of the road Chapel Hill (no offense Matt).
None taken, but of course I was thinking more in the sense of schools that lack not only team members but the skill to win with only 3 or less members, which is why you should've took note of my words in parentheses. They tell the whole story.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:24 am
by Kwang the Ninja
So, like, a bottom 25?

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:58 am
by Francis the Talking France
Exactly.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:33 pm
by Black-throated Antshrike
Fred, have you given any thought to having a locked and stickied thread where just the rankings go, and then have a separate thread for people to discuss and complain, that way when people want to see the newest rankings, they don't have to sift through the 34674647784236476237864738 pages of people complaining?

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:11 pm
by TheKingInYellow
State College will win

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:35 am
by ryandillon
No Electricity Required wrote:So on the serious (but by no means too serious) side of this thread, I'm curious as to the reasoning behind DCC not making the top 25.
Yeah this. DCC is returning the top scorer at NAQT and PACE from their B team, the 2nd highest scorer from the A team at HSNCT, and the 4th highest scorer from the A team at HSNCT. Considering that the B team finished 8th at HSNCT and the A team finished 13th, I'm really confused as how they wouldn't be in top 25 consideration.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:42 am
by AKKOLADE
Because they're also not returning a lot of people, and for that reason they're somewhere in my 26-35 range.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:27 pm
by Great Bustard
For my $.02 from what I saw at ACE, DCC looked considerably stronger than any other school, and I was at all 3 camps. IMHO, they're a top 15, if not top 10 team nationally to begin the year, and that may go up. Their key strength is that they have four or five great players who combined can cover all subject areas. That will make improving from where they are now easier too, as they can spread out their studying more. From what I've seen I would put them in the top 5 nationally for History Bowl contention as well, along with Bellarmine, Hunter, St. Joseph's, and St. Anselm's. University School of Nashville with National History Bee champ Mark Arildsen returning is also right up there, but I don't know how much they will prepare for it. All the other teams have at least two great history players; having Mark carrying USN on his own is a tall order, though he may be up to it if he continues to focus on improving over his already extremely high level of play.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:56 pm
by The Dance of Sorrow
I mean, Bobby's a monster at history, but is there someone else who can help him out for History Bowl?

EDIT: Totally forgot about Collin Parks, he's pretty good too.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:02 pm
by Remember-the-Alamo-Remember-Goliad
Having jumped from 30th to 18th is a movement in the right direction, Deo Gratias.
As a preliminary assessment, of course, it comes with the appropriate caveats (and humour!).
Still, my students are looking forward to a re-shaped landscape on the state and national level
for the upcoming year.
Thanks for the work!

Father Gregory - Vacationing in lovely, 106 degree Austin, TX!

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:39 pm
by Broad-tailed Grassbird
I'm going to continue to echo the sentiments about DCC. Last year's B team, was the best DCC B team I've seen (and that goes since 2003).

But with that said, pre-season rankings don't matter.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:59 am
by wexs883198215
Hayley Legg wrote:
Fred wrote:Went through stuff from last year. Here's the changes from preseason to postseason rankings, for the top 25 of each.
State College 1 -> 1
LASA 2 -> 2
Bellarmine 3 -> 3
Hunter 6-> 4
Maggie Walker 4 -> 5

Stevenson 5 -> 6
Auburn 12 -> 7
Dorman 7 -> 8
Seven Lakes 8 -> 9
St. Ignatius 18 -> 10

Centennial NR -> 11
Thomas Jefferson A 9 -> 12
DCC 15 -> 13
Dunbar 14 -> 14
duPont Manual 13 -> 15

Novi NR -> 16
Ladue NR -> 17
Copley NR -> 18
Walton 19 -> 19
Alpharetta 10 -> 20

Georgetown Day NR -> 21
Thomas Jefferson B NR -> 22
Chattahoochee NR -> 23
Northmont 17 -> 24
St. Anselm's 16 -> 25

Richard Montgomery 22 -> 26
Olmsted Falls 23 -> 29
Cistercian 24 -> 30
Mission San Jose 11 -> 32
Oak Park and River Forest 25 -> 36
Loyola 21 -> 40
Walter Johnson 20 -> 62
Some of these are pretty interesting. It's intriguing to see how St. Anselm's and RM got worse as the year went on.
Maybe part of it has to do with clobbering WJ meaning less and less as the year went along lol

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:39 am
by AKKOLADE

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:46 am
by Cheynem
How ya doin', everybody?

Welcome back to the violent rankings of Fred Morlan, the maestro of quizbowl. Ooh la la. You know what makes him great? Everything! Because he's the best today. Yargh!

And you know who I am, I'm Mike Cheyne.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:49 am
by AKKOLADE

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:23 pm
by AKKOLADE
ALSO: I need your help! I'm trying to keep track of tournaments that have happened here. Of course, due to work and such, there are periods where I can't get right to them. WHAT TO DO THEN?

You post a completed tourney (with stats, hopefully!) in the comments and then I use that data. Huzzah!

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:27 pm
by AKKOLADE

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:57 pm
by Broad-tailed Grassbird
Fred wrote:Heyyyyyyyyyyy

What is this nonsense? Now you're ranking DCC, after they start losing matches? (this is clearly sarcasm for those of you don't know me)

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - where is rhode island

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:10 pm
by AKKOLADE

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - where is rhode island

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:30 pm
by AKKOLADE

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - where is rhode island

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:45 pm
by Sniper, No Sniping!
Why aren't the stats for FKT used in the stat line for teams this year? They were used last year.

EDIT 1: I guess a better question is, are these rankings taking FKT results into account? EDIT 2: never mind about edit 1

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - where is rhode island

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:47 pm
by AKKOLADE
Don't have enough data to compare it with other sets yet.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - where is rhode island

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:30 pm
by ryanrosenberg
Millburn (NJ) is listed twice on the rankings, both at #65 and #97 (once with their PHSAT stat line, and once with their LIFT one).

Also, not trying to seem picky, but is there a reason Ardsley isn't in the rankings when our performance at LIFT would seem to put us solidly in the top 100? If it's a matter of not historically going to tournaments/Nationals, we're going to make every attempt to change that this year.

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - where is rhode island

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:48 am
by AKKOLADE
I've fixed both the Millburn and Ardsley mistakes. Sorry!

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - where is rhode island

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:41 pm
by AKKOLADE

Re: On-going Season Rankings V2.0 - where is rhode island

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:00 am
by AKKOLADE
I've attached my file with all of the stats in it for this season to date.