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IHSSBCA Kickoff

Post by jonah » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:23 pm

This Saturday, something like 176 teams will be playing IHSSBCA's annual Kickoff tournament at six locations throughout the state (Carbondale, Centennial [Champaign], Greenville, PORTA [Petersburg], Sterling, and Wheaton North). The tournaments are using NAQT IS-109.

Here's what I know about the fields:
Greenville (16): Althoff, Breese x2, Carlinville, Carrollton, Greenville x2, Marquette x2, Mt. Carmel, O'Fallon x3, Southwestern x2, Vandalia. This site will do 4 rounds of power-matching, and I'm not sure what comes after that, but per IHSSBCA rules everyone will play at least 7 games and single-elimination will not be used. The top 3 teams will qualify for HSNCT.

Sterling (24): Belvidere North x2, Belvidere x2, Bettendorf, Byron x2, Dixon, Galesburg, Geneseo, Moline, Morrison x2, Newman Central, Putnam County, Rock Falls, Rockford Boylan, Rockford Christian, Rockford Guilford, Sterling, Stillman Valley, Sycamore x2, Winnebago. This site will do 4 brackets of 6, then a rebracket to a top pair of parallel brackets of 4 (crossover one-game final) and 4 consolation brackets of 4. The top 4 teams will qualify for HSNCT.

Wheaton North, Über-Competitive (18): Auburn A, Auburn B, Carmel A, Fremd A, IMSA A, IMSA B, Latin A, Libertyville, Loyola A, Maine South A, Metea Valley A, New Trier, OPRF A, St. Ignatius A, Stevenson A, WWS A, Wauconda A, Wheaton North A. This division will do 3 brackets of 6, then a rebracket to 3 brackets of 6 without replaying the match against the team in the same bracket, for a total of 9 rounds. ACF-style finals will follow. The top 13 teams—that is, the entire top and second brackets, plus the top team from the bottom bracket—will qualify for HSNCT.

Wheaton North, Standard (64): Auburn C, Carmel B, Chicago Christian A, Chicago Christian B, Crete-Monee A, Crete-Monee B, Fenton A, Fenton B, Fenwick A, Fenwick B, Fenwick C, Fremd B, Fremd C, Geneva A, Geneva B, Glenbard East A, Glenbard East B, Glenbard North A, Glenbard North B, Hoffman Estates A, Hoffman Estates B, Homewood-Flossmoor A, Homewood-Flossmoor B, IMSA C, Joliet Catholic, Kaneland, Lake Zurich A, Lake Zurich B, Latin B, Leyden, Lisle, Loyola B, Loyola C, Maine South B, Marist A, Marist B, McHenry, Metea Valley B, Minooka A, Minooka B, Naperville North A, Naperville North B, Notre Dame, OPRF B, Oswego East A, Oswego East B, Rolling Meadows, Romeoville, Roycemore, St. Charles East, St. Ignatius B, St. Patrick A, St. Patrick B, St. Viator A, St. Viator B, Stevenson B, Timothy Christian, WWS B, Wauconda B, West Chicago, Wheaton Academy, Wheaton North B, Wheaton North C, Wheaton North D. This division will have 2 seeding rounds with approximately random matchups, followed by 6 rounds of power-matching. Because this is a lower division, no teams will qualify for HSNCT

I think Carbondale has about 6 teams, Centennial has 24, and PORTA has 24, but I'm not sure these numbers are still accurate and I don't know who the teams are. If I'm right about these numbers, the top team from Carbondale will qualify for HSNCT, and the top 4 teams from Centennial and PORTA will qualify.

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Re: IHSSBCA Kickoff

Post by Guile Island » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:57 pm

Sterling isn't using single elimination any more? That's a relief...

Do you know if every site is playing 20/20? Because last year at Sterling I didn't learn that they were using 16/16 until the day of the tournament and it kind of threw me a loop.
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Re: IHSSBCA Kickoff

Post by jonah » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:00 pm

King of Carrot Flowers wrote:Do you know if every site is playing 20/20? Because last year at Sterling I didn't learn that they were using 16/16 until the day of the tournament and it kind of threw me a loop.
According to the official rules for Kickoff and Turnabout, matches consist of 20 tossups and up to 20 bonuses. I will remind hosts of that.
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Post by dtaylor4 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:38 pm

King of Carrot Flowers wrote:Sterling isn't using single elimination any more? That's a relief...

Do you know if every site is playing 20/20? Because last year at Sterling I didn't learn that they were using 16/16 until the day of the tournament and it kind of threw me a loop.
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Post by Guile Island » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:02 pm

Is there also going to be an effort to improve the stats coming from that tournament?
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Post by dtaylor4 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:05 pm

King of Carrot Flowers wrote:Is there also going to be an effort to improve the stats coming from that tournament?
After the tournament, I will take the scoresheets with me and enter the stats the next day.

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Re: IHSSBCA Kickoff

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:01 pm

jonah wrote: Wheaton North, Über-Competitive (18): Auburn A, Auburn B, Carmel A, Fremd A, IMSA A, IMSA B, Latin A, Libertyville, Loyola A, Maine South A, Metea Valley A, New Trier, OPRF A, St. Ignatius A, Stevenson A, WWS A, Wauconda A, Wheaton North A. This division will do 3 brackets of 6, then a rebracket to 3 brackets of 6 without replaying the match against the team in the same bracket, for a total of 9 rounds. ACF-style finals will follow. The top 13 teams—that is, the entire top and second brackets, plus the top team from the bottom bracket—will qualify for HSNCT.

Wheaton North, Standard (64): Auburn C, Carmel B, Chicago Christian A, Chicago Christian B, Crete-Monee A, Crete-Monee B, Fenton A, Fenton B, Fenwick A, Fenwick B, Fenwick C, Fremd B, Fremd C, Geneva A, Geneva B, Glenbard East A, Glenbard East B, Glenbard North A, Glenbard North B, Hoffman Estates A, Hoffman Estates B, Homewood-Flossmoor A, Homewood-Flossmoor B, IMSA C, Joliet Catholic, Kaneland, Lake Zurich A, Lake Zurich B, Latin B, Leyden, Lisle, Loyola B, Loyola C, Maine South B, Marist A, Marist B, McHenry, Metea Valley B, Minooka A, Minooka B, Naperville North A, Naperville North B, Notre Dame, OPRF B, Oswego East A, Oswego East B, Rolling Meadows, Romeoville, Roycemore, St. Charles East, St. Ignatius B, St. Patrick A, St. Patrick B, St. Viator A, St. Viator B, Stevenson B, Timothy Christian, WWS B, Wauconda B, West Chicago, Wheaton Academy, Wheaton North B, Wheaton North C, Wheaton North D. This division will have 2 seeding rounds with approximately random matchups, followed by 6 rounds of power-matching. Because this is a lower division, no teams will qualify for HSNCT

I think Carbondale has about 6 teams, Centennial has 24, and PORTA has 24, but I'm not sure these numbers are still accurate and I don't know who the teams are. If I'm right about these numbers, the top team from Carbondale will qualify for HSNCT, and the top 4 teams from Centennial and PORTA will qualify.
Jonah/Lurking Jeff Hoppes or other NAQT member, what exactly would the nats qualification process be for this tournament? I know it's usually ceiling [.15n], but with the novice/varsity split is it the top .15 * (64+18) from the upper division meaning no lower division team can qualify or the top 15% from each division or what?
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Re: IHSSBCA Kickoff

Post by jonah » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:07 pm

Gus Honeybun wrote:
jonah wrote: Wheaton North, Über-Competitive (18): Auburn A, Auburn B, Carmel A, Fremd A, IMSA A, IMSA B, Latin A, Libertyville, Loyola A, Maine South A, Metea Valley A, New Trier, OPRF A, St. Ignatius A, Stevenson A, WWS A, Wauconda A, Wheaton North A. This division will do 3 brackets of 6, then a rebracket to 3 brackets of 6 without replaying the match against the team in the same bracket, for a total of 9 rounds. ACF-style finals will follow. The top 13 teams—that is, the entire top and second brackets, plus the top team from the bottom bracket—will qualify for HSNCT.

Wheaton North, Standard (64): Auburn C, Carmel B, Chicago Christian A, Chicago Christian B, Crete-Monee A, Crete-Monee B, Fenton A, Fenton B, Fenwick A, Fenwick B, Fenwick C, Fremd B, Fremd C, Geneva A, Geneva B, Glenbard East A, Glenbard East B, Glenbard North A, Glenbard North B, Hoffman Estates A, Hoffman Estates B, Homewood-Flossmoor A, Homewood-Flossmoor B, IMSA C, Joliet Catholic, Kaneland, Lake Zurich A, Lake Zurich B, Latin B, Leyden, Lisle, Loyola B, Loyola C, Maine South B, Marist A, Marist B, McHenry, Metea Valley B, Minooka A, Minooka B, Naperville North A, Naperville North B, Notre Dame, OPRF B, Oswego East A, Oswego East B, Rolling Meadows, Romeoville, Roycemore, St. Charles East, St. Ignatius B, St. Patrick A, St. Patrick B, St. Viator A, St. Viator B, Stevenson B, Timothy Christian, WWS B, Wauconda B, West Chicago, Wheaton Academy, Wheaton North B, Wheaton North C, Wheaton North D. This division will have 2 seeding rounds with approximately random matchups, followed by 6 rounds of power-matching. Because this is a lower division, no teams will qualify for HSNCT

I think Carbondale has about 6 teams, Centennial has 24, and PORTA has 24, but I'm not sure these numbers are still accurate and I don't know who the teams are. If I'm right about these numbers, the top team from Carbondale will qualify for HSNCT, and the top 4 teams from Centennial and PORTA will qualify.
Jonah/Lurking Jeff Hoppes or other NAQT member, what exactly would the nats qualification process be for this tournament? I know it's usually ceiling [.15n], but with the novice/varsity split is it the top .15 * (64+18) from the upper division meaning no lower division team can qualify or the top 15% from each division or what?
As detailed here (and discussed with application to Wheaton North Kickoff above), the number of teams qualifying is ceiling(.15*total field size), which in this case is ceiling(.15*82) = ceiling(12.3) = 13, but they all come from the upper division.

I'm more interested to know what would happen if we still had 18 teams in the Über-Competitive Division but had 103 teams in Standard.
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Post by Charles Martel » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:09 pm

I'm surprised more teams haven't registered for Uber-competitive just for the chance of making the middle bracket and qualifying for HSNCT.
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Post by Important Bird Area » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:34 pm

Jonah has the qualification procedure correct above.
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Post by jonah » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:02 pm

Wheaton Warrenville South A just beat Auburn A. What?
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Post by abnormal abdomen » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:19 pm

jonah wrote:Wheaton Warrenville South A just beat Auburn A. What?
Yeah, Lloyd told me they negged like six times.
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Post by Edward Elric » Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:13 pm

For those interested, IMSA cleared the field going 9-0. Stevenson I believe got 2nd after beating Loyola in a very close match. Auburn may have gotten 4th. Staaaaaaaaaaaats will be up later.
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Post by No Electricity Required » Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:50 pm

At PORTA (In the division for class AA schools): We won and Springfield came in second. Third and fourth were Glenwood A and B (I don't know this for sure, but I assumed that A beat B).

There was a division for class A schools, but they were running at least a round behind us throughout the playoffs, so I don't have any idea how it turned out.
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Post by jonah » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:41 pm

Wheaton North Über-Competitive Division statistics: prelims playoffs overall

Wheaton North Standard Division results: Lake Zurich A won. Runners-up were Fenton A, Kaneland, Wheaton North B, Stevenson B, Latin A, and one more I'm not sure of. Full stats for the Standard Division will be available eventually, but I have no idea when.
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Post by jonah » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:09 pm

By the way, the order of finish for the Wheaton North Über-Competitive Division is as follows:
1. IMSA A (cleared field)
2. Stevenson A (won tiebreaking match against Loyola A on tossup 21)
3. Loyola A
4T. Auburn A, Wheaton Warrenville South A
6. New Trier

7. IMSA B
8. Wheaton North A
9. Libertyville
10. Wauconda
11. Loyola B
12. Fremd A

13T. Maine South A (winner of the HSNCT berth as determined by playoff PPG of a 4-way playoff record tie at 3–2)
Teams above this line qualified for HSNCT.
13T. Carmel A, Oak Park-River Forest A, Auburn B
17. Metea Valley A
18. St. Ignatius A
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Post by Guile Island » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:29 pm

Belvidere North A went 9-0, winning a close final against Sycamore at Sterling. No clue about placement below that.
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Post by dtaylor4 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:42 am

Sterling results:

1. Belvidere North A
2. Sycamore A
3. Marian Central
4. Rockford Boylan
5. Sterling
6. Stillman Valley
7. Dixon
8. Bettendorf (a two-man team)

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Post by tinioril » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:52 am

So Auburn and New Trier were missing people?
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Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:38 am

Auburn was missing their second best player. For New Trier, that's pretty much what we got.
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Post by gauss1181 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:30 pm

Stats are up for the Wheaton North site.

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Post by Guile Island » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:51 pm

Stats from the Sterling site have been up for a while, figured I might post them here.

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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:03 pm

Yikes, 19 teams under 10ppb?
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Post by Guile Island » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:11 pm

Outside of a few teams, Northern Illinois needs a bit of work as far as good Quizbowl goes. For lots of teams at the Sterling site, the IHSSBCA's tournaments are the only good tournaments of the year.
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Post by dtaylor4 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:54 am

List of villages in West Virginia wrote:Yikes, 19 teams under 10ppb?
In most of the games I read, 5-10 tossups went dead easily. In the most egregious example I think I've ever seen, from 9 bonuses a team controlled, 10 points were scored.

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