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Auburn beats Belvidere North 400 to 370 to claim their sectional.
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Re: IHSA 2013
Auburn defeated Belvidere North 400-370 to advance from their sectional. There was an interesting protest that I will discuss once questions are cleared.
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Class AA:
Carbondale
IMSA
Auburn
Homewood-Flossmoor
Loyola
Macomb
Fremd
Bloomington
Class A:
Carterville
Carlinville
Quincy (Notre Dame)
Toledo (Cumberland) <-- won in 4 OT against second-place Casey-Westfield
Chicago Lab
Keith Country Day
Decatur Lutheran <-- won by 10 against second-place-on-tiebreaks Warrensburg-Latham
Peoria Christian
Carbondale
IMSA
Auburn
Homewood-Flossmoor
Loyola
Macomb
Fremd
Bloomington
Class A:
Carterville
Carlinville
Quincy (Notre Dame)
Toledo (Cumberland) <-- won in 4 OT against second-place Casey-Westfield
Chicago Lab
Keith Country Day
Decatur Lutheran <-- won by 10 against second-place-on-tiebreaks Warrensburg-Latham
Peoria Christian
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Fremd won. Feel free to comment on questions.
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Golden-bellied Starfrontlet wrote:Auburn defeated Belvidere North 400-370 to advance from their sectional. There was an interesting protest that I will discuss once questions are cleared.
Do tell.Leucippe and Clitophon wrote:Fremd won. Feel free to comment on questions.
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I believe Greg's post in incorrect (unless the plaque on our bus is a hot commodity). Bloomington won the Bradley-Bourbonnais Sectional. It was close, with three teams going 2 - 1 in pool play (Bloomington, Mahomet-Seymour, and Bradley-Bourbonnais), with Bloomington winning on total points.cornfused wrote:Class AA:
Carbondale
IMSA
Auburn
Homewood-Flossmoor
Loyola
Macomb
Fremd
Bradley-Bourbannais
Class A:
Carterville
Carlinville
Quincy (Notre Dame)
Toledo (Cumberland) <-- won in 4 OT against second-place Casey-Westfield
Chicago Lab
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Decatur Lutheran <-- won by 10 against second-place-on-tiebreaks Warrensburg-Latham
Peoria Christian
All in all, it was a fantastic Sectional, with nearly every match coming down to the last few questions. A hardy well-played to every team there.
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Come on, Tim, I think Greg can handle adding up a small number of tally marks and a few three-digit numbers. After all, he is a math teacher.thrillhouse wrote: I believe Greg's post in incorrect (unless the plaque on our bus is a hot commodity). Bloomington won the Bradley-Bourbonnais Sectional. It was close, with three teams going 2 - 1 in pool play (Bloomington, Mahomet-Seymour, and Bradley-Bourbonnais), with Bloomington winning on total points.
All in all, it was a fantastic Sectional, with nearly every match coming down to the last down questions. A hardy well-played to every team there.
I would like to cautiously express appreciation that the amount of computation was well lower than it could have been. I reserve the right to repeal this compliment if we find ourselves at State this year with more than the maximum amount of computation (again).
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I originally posted that with "Bradley-Bourbonnais" listed as the name of the sectional - same way that "Maine South" was originally in Loyola's spot when I was drafting the post. And then I forgot to update it. English error, not math error.Dominator wrote:Come on, Tim, I think Greg can handle adding up a small number of tally marks and a few three-digit numbers.thrillhouse wrote: I believe Greg's post in incorrect (unless the plaque on our bus is a hot commodity). Bloomington won the Bradley-Bourbonnais Sectional. It was close, with three teams going 2 - 1 in pool play (Bloomington, Mahomet-Seymour, and Bradley-Bourbonnais), with Bloomington winning on total points.
All in all, it was a fantastic Sectional, with nearly every match coming down to the last down questions. A hardy well-played to every team there.
I'll challenge that, though. That just can't be true.Dominator wrote: he is a math teacher.
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I'll leave the full story to more knowledgeable people, butmerv1618 wrote:Golden-bellied Starfrontlet wrote:Auburn defeated Belvidere North 400-370 to advance from their sectional. There was an interesting protest that I will discuss once questions are cleared.Do tell.Leucippe and Clitophon wrote:Fremd won. Feel free to comment on questions.
Jonah Greenthal (in a text message) wrote:apparently the protest in the belvidere north-auburn match was on conor's answer of "extended metaphor" for "allegory"
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That was basically it. Conor buzzed about a line and a half in on the parable clue and said extended metaphor and got negged. Auburn went on to pick up the tossup and some bonus parts (not sure how many). At the time they had a decent lead, but we had a strong second half and almost rallied back to win, but fell short and lost by 30. The protest was worked out at halftime and was denied based on the two terms not being the same thing, despite the fact that the tossup seemed to indicate by the giveaway that extended metaphor should have at least been promptable.
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The giveaway is irrelevant. The only relevant parts are what was heard before the neg.Golden-bellied Starfrontlet wrote:That was basically it. Conor buzzed about a line and a half in on the parable clue and said extended metaphor and got negged. Auburn went on to pick up the tossup and some bonus parts (not sure how many). At the time they had a decent lead, but we had a strong second half and almost rallied back to win, but fell short and lost by 30. The protest was worked out at halftime and was denied based on the two terms not being the same thing, despite the fact that the tossup seemed to indicate by the giveaway that extended metaphor should have at least been promptable.
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Should have been a prompt.dtaylor4 wrote:The giveaway is irrelevant. The only relevant parts are what was heard before the neg.Golden-bellied Starfrontlet wrote:That was basically it. Conor buzzed about a line and a half in on the parable clue and said extended metaphor and got negged. Auburn went on to pick up the tossup and some bonus parts (not sure how many). At the time they had a decent lead, but we had a strong second half and almost rallied back to win, but fell short and lost by 30. The protest was worked out at halftime and was denied based on the two terms not being the same thing, despite the fact that the tossup seemed to indicate by the giveaway that extended metaphor should have at least been promptable.
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I'm aware of some of the all-sectional players, but not all. Could someone please provide full list or location of list? Thanks.
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So, since no one has brought them up, I'd like to mention a few somewhat annoying errors in the sectionals set.
Part b. of the Round 2 music theory bonus was wrong. A chord is usually defined as consisting of at least three tones.
Part b. of the dental stuff bonus was on 'cavities', when 'cavitation' had already been mentioned.
The two word color star name bonus had a warning that ran something along the lines of "although other terms may be in common usage, please give a two-word name for each that includes a color." If that warning wasn't there, I wouldn't say anything, but if they're spelling out that clearly what they want, could it hurt to say "none of the terms we're looking for include the word 'star'.", or else prompted on anything that had the correct color paired with star (so, if I said for each part in succession "black star, yellow star, red star", I'd be prompted on each of them) I've certainly heard the Sun described as a yellow star at least as often as I've heard it called a yellow dwarf. Also, the third part of that bonus on red giants was read by our moderator as saying that the Sun will become one of these in five million years, when I'm pretty sure the actual prediction is more in the range of five billion years. Did the packet actually say that?
Part b. of the Round 2 music theory bonus was wrong. A chord is usually defined as consisting of at least three tones.
Part b. of the dental stuff bonus was on 'cavities', when 'cavitation' had already been mentioned.
The two word color star name bonus had a warning that ran something along the lines of "although other terms may be in common usage, please give a two-word name for each that includes a color." If that warning wasn't there, I wouldn't say anything, but if they're spelling out that clearly what they want, could it hurt to say "none of the terms we're looking for include the word 'star'.", or else prompted on anything that had the correct color paired with star (so, if I said for each part in succession "black star, yellow star, red star", I'd be prompted on each of them) I've certainly heard the Sun described as a yellow star at least as often as I've heard it called a yellow dwarf. Also, the third part of that bonus on red giants was read by our moderator as saying that the Sun will become one of these in five million years, when I'm pretty sure the actual prediction is more in the range of five billion years. Did the packet actually say that?
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Wrong, in spite of what Wikipedia says. Cno3, for example, is a chord consisting of two notes (namely, C and G). That said, the definition given is not particularly good.thyringe_supine wrote:Part b. of the Round 2 music theory bonus was wrong. A chord is usually defined as consisting of at least three tones.
So?thyringe_supine wrote:Part b. of the dental stuff bonus was on 'cavities', when 'cavitation' had already been mentioned.
Your moderator misread the question.thyringe_supine wrote:the third part of that bonus on red giants was read by our moderator as saying that the Sun will become one of these in five million years, when I'm pretty sure the actual prediction is more in the range of five billion years. Did the packet actually say that?
I concur that the sectionals questions had serious issues (though they were not as bad as the regionals questions), but am kind of mystified by the examples you chose to seize on.
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Hence the employment of the word 'usually'. Chords like the one you mentioned are not in frequent use, and the ones that are almost always consist of at least three tones.jonah wrote:Wrong, in spite of what Wikipedia says. Cno3, for example, is a chord consisting of two notes (namely, C and G). That said, the definition given is not particularly good.thyringe_supine wrote:Part b. of the Round 2 music theory bonus was wrong. A chord is usually defined as consisting of at least three tones.
So?thyringe_supine wrote:Part b. of the dental stuff bonus was on 'cavities', when 'cavitation' had already been mentioned.
Using word forms of what you're looking for is an excellent way to confuse the people that actually know the answer.
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Ah, yes; I thought you were talking about the bonus part on cavitation (which, as it turns out, is in the next packet anyway). You're right, questions should not contain their answer. (See also: Britney Spears.)thyringe_supine wrote:Using word forms of what you're looking for is an excellent way to confuse the people that actually know the answer.thyringe_supine wrote:Part b. of the dental stuff bonus was on 'cavities', when 'cavitation' had already been mentioned.
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Although I do not remember mention of her name, I hated that bonus just because of how ashamed of thirtying it I was. Also, apparently there wasn't a prompt on "T-Swizzle"?jonah wrote:(See also: Britney Spears.)
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The bonus said "Rolling Stone magazine said of this artist, 'she spearheaded the rise of post-millennial teen pop'" (emphasis mine) (and then mentioned her kids' names). This question managed to be a trifecta of offensiveness thanks to a bad pun, mentioning its own answer, and being trash.thyringe_supine wrote:Although I do not remember mention of her name, I hated that bonus just because of how ashamed of thirtying it I was.jonah wrote:(See also: Britney Spears.)
...thyringe_supine wrote:Also, apparently there wasn't a prompt on "T-Swizzle"?
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I did not notice that, and if anyone got it just from that, they deserve a high-five for skill in observation and not knowing much about Britney Spears.jonah wrote:The bonus said "Rolling Stone magazine said of this artist, 'she spearheaded the rise of post-millennial teen pop'" (emphasis mine) (and then mentioned her kids' names). This question managed to be a trifecta of offensiveness thanks to a bad pun, mentioning its own answer, and being trash.thyringe_supine wrote:Although I do not remember mention of her name, I hated that bonus just because of how ashamed of thirtying it I was.jonah wrote:(See also: Britney Spears.)
...thyringe_supine wrote:Also, apparently there wasn't a prompt on "T-Swizzle"?
Also, to their credit, (sort of) the pun in question wasn't conceived by the question writers, and it's possible that they were just short on time, and randomly picked a quote that just happened to be really, really stupid. I'd sooner believe that the editing was really rushed and shoddy, than believe that they actually picked it on purpose.
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Neither would surprise me, but since both options reflect very about equally poorly on the question writers and editors, it doesn't matter.thyringe_supine wrote:Also, to their credit, (sort of) the pun in question wasn't conceived by the question writers, and it's possible that they were just short on time, and randomly picked a quote that just happened to be really, really stupid. I'd sooner believe that the editing was really rushed and shoddy, than believe that they actually picked it on purpose.jonah wrote:The bonus said "Rolling Stone magazine said of this artist, 'she spearheaded the rise of post-millennial teen pop'" (emphasis mine) (and then mentioned her kids' names). This question managed to be a trifecta of offensiveness thanks to a bad pun, mentioning its own answer, and being trash.thyringe_supine wrote:Although I do not remember mention of her name, I hated that bonus just because of how ashamed of thirtying it I was.jonah wrote:(See also: Britney Spears.)
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Congratulations to Peoria Christian and IMSA! The AA final looked very intense. Sounds like it was a great day of competition.
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Congrats to IHSA Champions IMSA and Peoria Christian.
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Big congrats to IMSA and Peoria Christian as well! As my first time at State, as well as my current players', I have to say we wholeheartedly enjoyed the experience (though looking at the score, I really wished we had stayed for the championship match.). Anyone who has had the pleasure of seeing LA or IMSA this year knew it would be a great match between two fantastic teams.
Can anyone explain what looks like an error on the IHSA's website, as I am confused? The site has Fremd beating Macomb, but Macomb going into the championship flight. If Macomb lost to Fremd, how did this happen?
Thanks again to ALL teams for great SB season,
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Can anyone explain what looks like an error on the IHSA's website, as I am confused? The site has Fremd beating Macomb, but Macomb going into the championship flight. If Macomb lost to Fremd, how did this happen?
Thanks again to ALL teams for great SB season,
Tim
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No, that's wrong. Macomb beat Fremd (pretty sure), but they didn't go to championship, they went to consolation . . .thrillhouse wrote:I big congrats to IMSA and Peoria Christian as well! As my first time at State, as well as my current players', I have to say we wholeheartedly enjoyed the experience (though looking at the score, I really wished we had stayed for the championship match.). Anyone who has had the pleasure of seeing LA or IMSA this year knew it would be a great match between to fantastic teams.
Can anyone explain what looks like an error on the IHSA's website, as I am confused? The site has Fremd beating Macomb, but Macomb going into the championship flight. If Macomb lost to Fremd, how did this happen?
Thanks again to ALL teams for great SB season,
Tim
And wow that final must have been the best thing ever. A collection should be started for a plaque for Morgan's wall with something like "2013 1.01 place".
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Flight in this context means "division" or "pool."
Since the only site that will ever use these questions has played, the answer to your question is yes.
Since the only site that will ever use these questions has played, the answer to your question is yes.
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Actually, James, Loyola got 1+1/9 place. *wink wink*
But yeah. Intense. We were just on the verge of giving up. But we pulled it together. And equalized. And hung in there for a few more tossups. Then lost on the final one, and it seemed for sure Loyola would get the comp math, but they 10ed it the hard way. We picked up the last easy part on the bounce for 10 winning points.
But yeah. Intense. We were just on the verge of giving up. But we pulled it together. And equalized. And hung in there for a few more tossups. Then lost on the final one, and it seemed for sure Loyola would get the comp math, but they 10ed it the hard way. We picked up the last easy part on the bounce for 10 winning points.
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Further discussion of the definition of a "chord," who should use what Latin phrases, linguistic prescriptivism, and which instruments are more "real" than others for what kinds of music may be found here.thyringe_supine wrote: Part b. of the Round 2 music theory bonus was wrong. A chord is usually defined as consisting of at least three tones.
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