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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by shrey96 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:12 pm

Given how things are going in Illinois right now, can I just express how excited I am for New Trier Varsity? There doesn't seem to be a single 'top contender' left out of the Uber-Competitive bracket, which also features some excellent B teams and strong out-of-state competition. I'm definitely going to try and moderate for that if I can.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by heterodyne » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:36 am

In case anyone didn't see, stats for the Champaign Centennial sectional are up. Thoughts? Sterling stats are also up, and top four is posted for the other sectionals.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by JHuh33 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:26 pm

Stuff to revive a dying thread:

Although this year has panned out the way most people expected, there have been some interesting developments in Illinois this year:

1. Latin
They were never mentioned on the boards, yet have been a solid team that has an impressively high PPB (placing higher than Wheaton North on the Frankings).
I was impressed by Yinga & Co.'s chemistry, and each and every one of them contribute for well-rounded scoring.
Although their victory over both IMSA and Auburn at ACF Fall is probably luck, it proves that Latin is a fierce, but overlooked, team with upset potential.
The one problem I have noticed with this team though is how inconsistent they are.
Even with one of the highest PPB's, they were near rock bottom at Loyburn but turned it around at Kickoff to place in the top bracket.

2. Fremd and Hinsdale Central
Fremd has an impressive player in Jennie Yang, who is probably the only Music player in IL who could give Jeeho a run for his money.
From recent performances, however, she has proven to be a competent enough generalist to place in the Frankings.
Like many teams, however, they don't show up to tournaments often, and Jennie is basically a one-(wo)man show.

Hinsdale Central is a really interesting story.
They have a really motivated player in Sunny Chen, who has taken his team to multiple Uber-competitive tournaments unaffiliated.
It was a wake-up call to see Hinsdale, coming out from under a rock, beat Springfield into a spot for the top bracket at Earlybird.
They are making fast progress, too, as they took down Greg and Rohan at Loyburn.
The thing about Hinsdale and Fremd is that they are inexperienced, but I expect their dedicated players to remedy that this year.

3. Auburn B
This team would surely have won the Standard Division at Loyburn had Sr. Greene not moved them up to the Uber-Division.
The greatest thing about this team is that they are probably one of the most motivated teams in IL and have exemplary role models in Evan and Cole.
Steven Vo has made scary progress, and this team was able to place higher than Latin and Fremd at the Kickoff.
With some roster readjustments (such as moving Usman up :wink: ), Auburn may have the best B-team in Illinois.

THE OBVI:
Although IMSA guards their throne well, Auburn and Stevenson's performances have confirmed Dr. Prince's sentiments about how much work IMSA needs to put in to stay ahead of the crowd.
Auburn's win at ACF Fall shows that tournament wins will be highly dependent on the packet as well as the distribution of the set.
This being said, I think the top three teams of Illinois have the ability to pull off a win against any of the top teams in the nation, and NTV should be fun in this respect as Northmont and DCC are coming.
I wouldn't be surprised to see, say, Stevenson win the tournament.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by kievanrustic » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:27 am

Jonathan Huh said:
Auburn may have the best B-team in Illinois.
I'm curious, but didn't Carbondale B win their IHSSBCA Kickoffs (and beat Carbondale A in the process)? Also, IMSA B is the only B team in Illinois on Fred Morlan's rankings. Jonathan, what leads you to make the statement that Auburn B is the best B team in Illinois? This is not to say to Auburn isn't good-they're great- but I'm wondering what the reasoning is to put them in first.

Edit: Fixed Jonathan Huh's name.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by heterodyne » Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:26 am

kievanrustic wrote:
Johnathan Huh said:
Auburn may have the best B-team in Illinois.
I'm curious, but didn't Carbondale B win their IHSSBCA Kickoffs (and beat Carbondale A in the process)? Also, IMSA B is the only B team in Illinois on Fred Morlan's rankings. Johnathan, what leads you to make the statement that Auburn B is the best B team in Illinois? This is not to say to Auburn isn't good-they're great- but I'm wondering what the reasoning is to put them in first.
Note: it's spelled Jonathan.

I think part of the problem is that IMSA B's roster has been rather variable throughout the season so far. His lack of consideration for Carbondale B may be modesty or just forgetfulness.

I would say that the prize of best B team in the state is a tossup between IMSA B (Salij edition) and Cdale B (JHuh edition). Unfortunately, I have not played the full Cdale B, but IMSA B held Bloomington's depleted A team (me, Sam E, and Nathaniel) very close at ACF Fall. Either way, I would put Auburn B in a very comfortable third place.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by JHuh33 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:20 pm

My apologies to IMSA B if they were offended by my post; I simply forgot Salij plays for IMSA B.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by kievanrustic » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:28 pm

No one at IMSA was offended. I was just wondering about your rational. Anyways , good luck to all at HFT and NTV . It's great to be part of this activity.

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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by Guile Island » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:00 am

I'll be moderating at both HFT and NTV and intend to make a pretty detailed opinion post after said tournaments have concluded. I'm really looking forward to seeing all of these Illinois teams play together for the first time this year.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by the return of AHAN » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:06 am

The Mid-Suburban League "Pre-Season" Tournament was held last Saturday at Elk Grove High School. Barrington HS cleared the field to claim the top prize, while Fremd and Buffalo Grove finished 2nd and 3rd, respectively. Matches were a bit abbreviated (just 10 TU/bonus cycles).
Standings:

Barrington 11-0
Fremd 10-1
Buffalo Grove 9-2
Prospect 8-3
Hersey 6-5
Wheeling 5-6
Palatine 4-7
Rolling Meadows 4-7
Hoffman Estates 3-8
Conant 3-8
Elk Grove 2-9
Schaumburg 0-11 (all forfeits)

Scores of note;
Fremd 220, Buffalo Grove 130
Barrington 260, Fremd 130
Barrington 270, Buffalo Grove 90
Barrington 270, Prospect 60
Buffalo Grove 160, Prospect 100
Fremd 250, Prospect 80
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by MorganV » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:42 am

As I'm bored and always relish the opportunity to steal Dylan Minarik's thunder, here are my thoughts on Illinois quizbowl post-first semester:

Top Tier:

Auburn

Evan Pandya has had a meteoric rise over the course of the season:
10/5: Earlybird, 47.73 ppg en route to third place behind Stevenson and half of IMSA, 1.76 ppb behind Stevenson
11/2: Fall, 55.5 ppg en route to a victory despite dropping games to Bloomington and Latin, .86 ppb behind IMSA
11/16: Loyburn, 66.36 ppg, takes second after losing to IMSA, IMSA puts up 2.27 more powers/game and .23 more ppb
11/23: Kickoff, 73.33 ppg, takes third behind IMSA and Stev, 1.06 fewer powers/game and 2.22 fewer ppb than IMSA
12/7: Harvard Fall, 87.31 ppg, loses to IMSA, more individual powers than any other individual by a margin of 25+, .46 powers/game over IMSA but with 1.24 fewer ppb
12/21: NTV, 103.18 ppg, clears the most difficult field he has played in thus far decisively with 2.3 more powers/game than IMSA and .45 more ppb

Although Evan's ppg will likely not continue the trend of increasing linearly with every tournament, his dedication and work ethic have clearly paid off big in the past two months as he works to fill in the gaps (most notably science) of his team. As long as he and core teammate Cole Timmerwilke continue to improve and as long as they continue to get solid contributions from Will Rupprecht and Brody Hooker, I see them going farthest by the end of the season, especially at nationals, considering Evan's commanding power total on HFT.

IMSA

Recently, IMSA has had a trend of making large leaps over the summer due to studying and/or player acquisition. This year has been no different as several of their players have made steps forward, most notably Andrew Salij, who has improved from some kid I'd never heard of at ACE camp to a solid player on either the A or the B team this year, including being the team's high scorer at HFT. As with last year, they have had the "problem" of not knowing which four of their five players will contribute most on the A team. They will probably settle in with their rotation of choice second semester, so it will be interesting who they choose. Overall they have a high ceiling, especially at HSNCT where Anton will benefit as always, but recent results and the nagging questions of inconsistency place them just behind Auburn at the moment.

Stevenson

Stevenson came roaring out of the gate with a strong showing at Earlybird, where they outpaced the rest of the field in ppg and ppb by a comfortable margin. However, they seem to have plateaued since - their best finish post-Earlybird has been second at Kickoffs (Despite certain difficulties.) Regardless, 4th at Fall (behind DCC) and 3rd at HFT and NTV (ahead of Northmont and DCC) place them comfortably in the third place spot. Jason has also improved leaps and bounds from last year, and Jeeho has grown into a solid second option - they need their third and fourth to come to more things and score more points if they want to crack the top two.

Second Tier

Significant dropoff after the first tier to the next few teams.

Carbondale

Probably the team with the best shot of cracking the top tier, they have flashed potential but haven't put together a strong enough campaign yet to be considered amongst the top three, partially due to not bringing their full team to most tournaments. A team to watch.

Springfield

I have no clue if what they did on Saturday is sustainable but Jackson "Snackson" Myers breaking 100 ppg and carrying the team to close victories against both IMSA teams and DCC is enough to warrant at least a temporary placement here.

Bloomington

Junior Alston Boyd has grown into a solid generalist who has notched two wins against Auburn this year, but Bloomington have thus far served as upset specialists rather than top-bracket threats. Their full team minus Alston going undefeated at their Kickoff in a field also containing the aforementioned Springfield implies they may have better long-term prospects if they can bring a full team to more events.

Latin

Haven't seen this team play, but they had a top-bracket appearance and win over DCC at NTV.


Third Tier:

Fenton

Greg K. has been struggling recently and has not had too much team success, despite multiple scoring crowns. Hopefully they can avoid the neg trouble that has plagued their team in the past and vault back up the rankings.

Fremd

Jennie Yang is very good at fine arts, from what we saw at ace camp. In particular, she is probably the best music player in the state following Ian and my graduation.

Auburn B

Watching the future of Auburn unfold in the person of Usman Haseeb is probably the most compelling narrative quizbowl has to offer this year.

Fourth Tier:

Loyola C

I ranked them so I could put Loyolas A and B below them

Loyola B

See above

Loyola A

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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by heterodyne » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:07 am

Auburn B's top player is actually one Steven Vo, with Usman playing on Auburn C for several tournaments. Other that that I agree with the analysis put forth, with the exception of leaving out IMSA B. When they have Salij, they do very, very well, making top bracket at NTV and coming within a tossup of beating us at ACF.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by dtaylor4 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:00 am

MorganV wrote: Springfield

I have no clue if what they did on Saturday is sustainable but Jackson "Snackson" Myers breaking 100 ppg and carrying the team to close victories against both IMSA teams and DCC is enough to warrant at least a temporary placement here.
Jackson simply does not have the support he needs to beat the top teams. The question is, seeing how far they are behind other teams, will he and his teammates step it up?

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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by heterodyne » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:43 am

dtaylor4 wrote: Jackson simply does not have the support he needs to beat the top teams. The question is, seeing how far they are behind other teams, will he and his teammates step it up?
I don't know if you can say he isn't able to beat top teams, given that he just beat IMSA and DCC. Consistency is an issue, but he has clear upset potential.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by MorganV » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:44 pm

This Urn Is So Grecian wrote:Auburn B's top player is actually one Steven Vo, with Usman playing on Auburn C for several tournaments.
My apologies. Replace Auburn B in the rankings with Auburn C, with the same comment.

I also intentionally left out IMSA B as their roster is inconsistent and Salij may be on the A team going forward.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by dtaylor4 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:29 pm

This Urn Is So Grecian wrote:
dtaylor4 wrote: Jackson simply does not have the support he needs to beat the top teams. The question is, seeing how far they are behind other teams, will he and his teammates step it up?
I don't know if you can say he isn't able to beat top teams, given that he just beat IMSA and DCC. Consistency is an issue, but he has clear upset potential.
That's what I meant, I was barely awake (and in a rush to get to work) when typing that thought out.

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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by Saltasassi » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:46 pm

It’s hard to follow up comments from the esteemed Morgan Venkus, so instead I’ll talk about teams he did not mention (and thus technically ranked below Loyola, which probably isn't what he meant to do.)

Wheaton North has pretty consistently been in the top half of the field at most of the major tournaments it has attended. I’ve only been able to play them once, at ACF Fall, but they are solid from what I've seen, both in action and in numbers.

Barrington is another team that has generally done pretty well, although their performance at NTV was rather anomalous. Obviously Pranav is very talented and should continue to improve, but the rest of the team can also make great buzzes. I’m not sure what happened at NTV, but we’ll see if they rebound in upcoming events.

Another team I wanted to mention was Metea Valley. I’m sure I wasn't the only one who thought they were done after Shreyas graduated, but they’ve fared pretty well. They didn't do so hot at NTV, but I think they were missing a few of their usual A-teamers. I have yet to play them, so I can’t say much more than this.

Hinsdale Central, while a somewhat dysfunctional bunch, is yet another young, motivated team. It’s great that they have been coming to a lot of tournaments (something I wish I could say about myself), and their players are definitely improving. However, HC is also probably the most neg-prone team in the state. Sunny tells me they are working on toning it down, which will mean only good things for them in the future.

One team that I definitely did not see coming was UC Lab, but they have done quite well so far, winning their Kickoff and almost making the top bracket at NTV (although Fremd somehow played them pretty close in the playoffs without me). It looks like Adam Fine is a pretty fine player (sorry everyone, couldn’t help myself).


And now for some selfish let’s-talk-about-my-own-team time!

Unsurprisingly, I’m Fremd's biggest contributor, being the top scorer and coughing up a lot of bonus parts on my own. This is most evident when you compare Fremd’s performances in the prelims and playoffs of NTV. (Check out our PPBs to see what I mean). I’ll try not to leave tournaments halfway through anymore.

However, I do think I get some support from my teammates. Phil Shih did pretty well at NTV, helping out with some lit bonuses and leading the team in scoring after I’d left. I’m also hoping that the sophomores will improve and help fill my massive knowledge gaps in history and basically any other non-FA subject.

I’m looking forward to see what kinds of developments upcoming tournaments bring to the Illinois quizbowl circuit!
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by kievanrustic » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:56 pm

Hey, I like stealing Dylan's thunder too! Also, I've got some things to say about quiz bowl in Illinois. For my rankings, I will be using tournament standings and game wins. For your information, I am ranking teams that have played in at least two non-novice Illinois tournaments this year (I am using Earlybird, ACF Fall, Loyburn, IHSSBCA Kickoffs, HFT, and NTV) and gotten at least 10th in one non-Kickoffs tournament. I also grouped the teams into tiers and looked at how teams played against teams within their tiers. Let's get into the rankings:
Note: "Other Losses" refers to losses not previously documented that are against teams in lower tiers or that are not listed. This is to show how "upset-able " a team is.
1st tier (upper):
These teams have all won a non-Kickoffs tournament in Illinois. To my knowledge, they are the best in the state.
1. IMSA A.
1st: 3 times (Loyburn, Kickoffs, HFT) 2nd: 3 times (Earlybird, ACF Fall, NTV)

IMSA A v. Auburn A: 5-3 IMSA A v. Stevenson A: 6-2 IMSA A v. DCC: 3-0 IMSA A v. Carbondale A: 2-1
Other IMSA Losses: Latin, Springfield
According to this semester's data, IMSA A is the best in Illinois. They are ranked the highest on Fred Morlan's rankings, and they have beaten every other top tier team in Illinois numerous times. IMSA has depth, with a roster of five excellent players. This should aid it in five-man competitions such as IHSA and Masonics.

2. Auburn A
1st: 2 times (ACF Fall, NTV) 2nd:2 times (Loyburn, HFT) 3rd: 2 times (Earlybird, Kickoffs)

Auburn A v. Stevenson A: 4-1 Auburn A v. DCC: 2-0 Auburn A v. Carbondale A : 3-0
Other Auburn Losses: Bloomington (2 times), Latin
I deem Auburn to be a close second, since it beats lower ranked teams with the same accuracy that IMSA does. As Morgan has mentioned, Evan has made great bounds over the last semester. Still, Auburn seems to rely primarily on Evan and Cole as those two carry most of the ppg. This is not to disparage Will and Brody, who still put up around a combined 30 ppg while playing with two amazing players. It's pretty safe to say that Evan is the best player in Illinois (for reasons that Morgan detailed- great ppg while playing with awesome teammates), so anyone who can support him is still quite skilled in their own respect.
3. Stevenson A
1st: Earlybird 2nd: Kickoffs 3rd: 2 times (HFT, NTV) 4th: ACF Fall

Stevenson A v. DCC: 1-1 Stevenson A v. Carbondale A: 2-0
Other Stevenson Losses: St. Joseph's
Stevenson is the lowest ranked team to still have won a non-Kickoffs tournament, and it is still a powerhouse. Stevenson, gracious in victory and defeat, is a model for other teams to emulate in knowledge and in sportsmanship. Stevenson relies a lot on its seniors, though, and I would like to get to know its supporting players who will take the reins next year better. I know that Justin Millman is a junior, and Jonathan Mishory should do great things if he is not a senior.
1st tier (lower):
While not as good as the top three teams, these teams are not too far of a drop below. They typically lose to the top 3, but they are still too good to be in a lower tier.
4. DCC

3rd: ACF Fall t-7th: NTV
DCC v. Carbondale A: 1-0
Other DCC losses: Northmont, Latin, Springfield
Yes, the 4th best team in Illinois is from Michigan, a testament to DCC's will to travel far in order to compete. DCC has done better than Carbondale at both of the Illinois tournaments that it has gone to, thus it is ranked higher. DCC has a well-balanced team and converts bonuses skillfully and with tact, as well.
5. Carbondale A

1st/2nd: Kickoffs (Carb B got first, but its leader Jonathan Huh plays on Carb A) 3rd: Loyburn 4th: Earlybird 6th: ACF Fall sub-10th : NTV
Other Losses: Bloomington, Carbondale B, Fremd, IMSA B, Northmont
Note: Carbondale forfeited many games at NTV. These games are ignored in this ranking. I suspect that it would have won its division at NTV had it stayed and gotten 9th.

Carbondale is the model of spread-out scoring. It had the most 5-2 players at Scobol Solo (5, opposed to Barrington 4, Auburn 3, IMSA 4, and Stevenson 3), which shows in its scoring. Its A team members from last year has progressed, and Jonathan Huh has risen greatly in the past year and seems to be on a forward trajectory. I also want to appreciate how Carbondale treks out to northern Illinois tourneys frequently. If I feel that i did not get a good nights sleep before a tournament, I can only imagine how Carbondale's players must feel. Giving us northerners tough competition is a great service, one that is not recognized enough.

2nd tier (upper):
These teams are quite good. They have upset 1st tier teams, but their overall showings are just too low to put them in the first tier.
6. Bloomington

1st: Kickoffs 5th: Earlybird 7th: 2 times (ACF Fall, Loyburn) 10th: NTV
Bloomington v. Latin: 2-0 Bloomington v. Auburn B: 1-1 Bloomington v. IMSA B: 3-0 Bloomington v. Wheaton North: 2-1
Other Losses: St. Joseph's, Barrington, Wheaton North, Fenton, Metea Valley 6. Springfield

Bloomington has beaten Auburn A twice, but its placement at tournaments is just too low to consider in the top tier. Regardless, Bloomington clearly leads at its level.
7. Springfield
2nd: Kickoffs 5th: NTV 7th: Earlybird
Springfield v. Bloomington: 1-3 Springfield v. Latin: 0-1 Springfield v. Auburn B: 2-0 Springfield v. IMSA B: 2-0 Springfield v. Wheaton North:
Other Losses: Hinsdale Central, Northmont
Springfield has not played much this year, but when it comes it does very well. In this ranking I weight recent performances higher than early showings, so Springfield's 5th place showing at NTV aided it in these rankings. If only Jackson Myers could get some support, Springfield would do even better. I love it when new players get motivated to learn, so seeing that happen to Springfield would only make me happier.
2nd tier (lower):
These teams can compete with the upper teams in the second tier, but they lack the ability to upset first tier teams with the exception of Latin. They also place lower than the upper teams in their tier.
8. Auburn B

4th: Kickoffs 5th: HFT 9th: 3 times (Earlybird, Loyburn, NTV) sub-10th: ACF Fall
Auburn B v. IMSA B: 3-1 Auburn B v. Latin: 2-0 Auburn B. v. Wheaton North : 3-1
Other Losses: Fremd, Fenton (5 times), Savannah
Auburn B is the best B team in Illinois, if only for consistency. It often scores 9-12th place, below the top teams, but it is still quite solid. Fenton seems to be its kryptonite, which is odd seeing as the teams that it beats typically beat Fenton.
9. Wheaton North

5th: Loyburn 6th: HFT 7th: Kickoffs 10th: ACF Fall sub-10th: NTV
Wheaton North v. IMSA B: 3-1 Wheaton North v. Latin: 2-1
Other Losses: St. Joseph's, Chicago Lab, Metea, Hinsdale Central, Fremd, Fenton (2 times)
Wheaton North also has a great deal of high scoring players as Carbondale has. Nobody saw them coming into the fray, but they have established themselves as consistently strong players. This is great, seeing new teams establish themselves (now only to get another 300 teams to go to tournaments). Additionally, they got second in their History Bowl, and Jack Miller from Wheaton North got second in the Bee. Wheaton North certainly has some of the most swagger of the Illinois teams, considering that its members always wear Hawaiian T-shirts.

10. IMSA B
t-7th: NTV 8th: 2 times (ACF Fall, HFT) sub-10th: 3 times (Earlybird, Loyburn, Kickoffs)
IMSA B v. Latin: 2-1
Other Losses: Glenwood A, Metea Valley, Fenton (3 times), Hinsdale Central, Barrington, St. Viator, Fremd, Savannah, Stillman Valley, Northmont
IMSA B is the hallmark of inconsistency. It has the longest list of upsets, but when it plays well it beats Carbondale and comes closely to beating Northmont. On its good days, I would put it between Carbondale and Bloomington, but on other days it is between Fenton and St. Viator. I compromised with myself and put IMSA B in between these positions at 10th.

11. Latin

5th: Kickoffs 6th: NTV 9th: ACF Fall 11th: Loyburn
Other Losses: St. Joseph's, Fenton, Hinsdale Central (2 times), Metea Valley, Wheaton North, Barrington, Northmont,

Latin has skills, no doubts about that. When I first heard that they beat IMSA A, I was mightily surprised. Now that I've played them a few times, I see how Latin won. Latin gets questions when they should be gotten, and an unwary team will quickly lose against Latin. I've been reading Malcolm Gladwell's David and Goliath, and it seems to me that Latin started out this season as David, taking every one off guard. As time passes, Latin transitions into another Goliath of quizbowl might. Like Wheaton North, Latin shows that the initial predictions were wrong, wrong, wrong.
3rd tier:
These are still quite skilled, but something prevents them from being powerhouses. Perhaps they are just a young team or rely on the support of very few people.
12. Metea Valley
1st: Kickoffs 6th: Loyburn sub-10th: NTV
Metea v. Hinsdale Central: 2-0 Metea v. Fremd: Metea v. Fenton: 1-0 Metea v. St. Viator: no games
Other losses: Chicago Lab, Barrington
Metea hasn't played much, and its level is below Shreyas's predictions. It's good at science, but I have not played it enough to say much more than that.
13. Hinsdale Central:

2nd: Kickoffs 6th: Earlybird 7th: HFT 10th: Loyburn sub-10th: NTV
Hinsdale v. Fremd: 0-1 Hinsdale v. Fenton: 2-2 Hinsdale v. St. Viator: 1-0
Other Losses: Barrington, Metea Valley, OPRF

Hinsdale Central took people by surprise, making the playoffs at earlybird. Like Barrington, it is an amazing freshman-sophomore team. I remember that Ankush went to IMSA, and I only wish that he could have stayed. Still, it is nice to see a team like Hinsdale grow. I hope that if its members mature a little more, they will be allowed to rejoin the forums (still, what is a permaban if it's not permanent?).
14. Fremd
6th: Kickoffs sub-10th: 2 times (ACF FAll, NTV)
Fremd v. Fenton: 2-1 Fremd v. St. Viator: 1-0
Other Losses: Northmont, Chicago Lab
Fremd is very enjoyable to play, and I would love to see it develop more. I don't have much to say about it that Jennie has not already touched on, besides the fact that it has the class to always wear ties.
15. Fenton

4th: HFT 8th: Loyburn 10th: Kickoffs sub-10th: 2 times (ACF Fall, NTV)
Fenton v. St. Viator: 1-1
Other Losses: Metea, Savannah, Chicago Lab
Note: Earlybird stats are hard to use for Fenton since it left mid-tourney. I know that they beat St. Viator, but I'm ignoring the rest of those stats.

Greg commonly graces the top scorers list, but he lacks the support to win tough games. That said, he beats my home school Riverside Brookfield, so what can I say?
16. St. Viator
9th: Kickoffs 10th: Earlybird sub-10th: NTV
Other Losses: Rolling Meadows A, University High A, Savannah, Metea Valley, OPRF, Buffalo Grove, Northmont

St. Viator goes to many tournaments, and it beats those that don't. I'd like to see it develop a bit more.


I don't know:
As far as I can tell, Barrington has only gone to two non-novice tournaments (perhaps pseudonyms are messing me up). They both did well at Loyburn ( 4th), but they floundered at NTV ( 17th). This large change makes it difficult for me to assess their skills, especially because I am trying to weight recent results (NTV) highly. It's good, but I don't know how good. I want to put Barrington between IMSA B and Auburn B based off subjective feelings, but I want for this ranking to be as objective as possible. Also, Chicago Lab recently did quite well. I don't know whether this is an anomaly or if it will be a major player soon. I hope that the truth is the latter.

P.S.: I compiled the results by hand, which means that I very likely made some mistake somewhere. I double checked my results, but if you find any problems with them please send me a private message. I'll edit my post with corrections.

Edit: Spelling
2nd Edit: Word choice, tone, etc. Looking at this post a few days later, I have realized that I was confident in making non-obvious claims. As I am simply relaying statistics with my personal opinions, making it evident that my claims are not fact is conducive to proper discussion.
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Post by the return of AHAN » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:42 am

kievanrustic wrote: As far as I can tell, Barrington has only gone to two non-novice tournaments (perhaps pseudonyms are messing me up). They both did well at Loyburn ( 4th), but they floundered at NTV ( 17th). This large change makes it difficult for me to assess their skills, especially because I am trying to weight recent results (NTV) highly. It's good, but I don't know how good. I want to put Barrington between IMSA B and Auburn B based off subjective feelings, but I want for this ranking to be as objective as possible.
I didn't see Barrington play (full discloure; I coached or taught 80% of their roster as middle schoolers), but, reviewing their match results, it seems Bryce & Jacob (the two sophs playing on A) each had rough outings in the prelims, though they did manage to beat Latin, who advanced to the highest playoff tier. Also, Barrington didn't get a favorable draw, as 5 of the 6 teams in their morning pool posted 20 PPB or better. That wasn't the case in the other pools, where the teams with 20 or more PPB numbered three, three, and four. Maybe I'm parsing the numbers a bit since BHS had precisely 20 PPB and would've surely absorbed their share of losses in the 'middle' playoff pool, but they should've easily finished a few spots higher, but for the factors outlined above.
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We are now accepting applications for students to compete for Team Illinois at NASAT. The tryout will be the afternoon of Sunday, February 23 at U of I Champaign/Urbana. The coaches this year will once again be Sharon Lorinskas and Jay Winter. If you have any questions, feel free to email them or me.
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Post by Guile Island » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:42 pm

Happy New Year Everybody! And now, my much demanded Illinois post:

Top Tier:

Three teams currently are in my top tier.

1. Auburn A: It's really, really hard to decide between Auburn and IMSA for the best team in the state right now, but I'll give the edge to the hotter team right now. Evan Pandya is, as Morgan has noted, improving rapidly, mostly due to the insane amount of hours he's been studying. Cole is a great secondary/supporting player as well, and Brody and Will looked much improved at New Trier. I noticed before NTV that this team is generally better at tossups than bonuses, and I still somewhat believe that, but their excellent conversion stats at NTV means they're definitely no slouches on bonus conversion either. IMSA does generally seem to make a surge after Winter Break, so Evan is probably going to have to maintain his level of studying if Auburn wants to break out and keep this spot.

2. IMSA A: Auburn may be the trendy pick for best Illinois team, but I still like IMSA on NAQT due to Anton's CE/Geography dominance. They're a great model of balanced scoring, and they pretty much have 5 players good enough to be on IMSA A. I expect them to win a few more tourneys this semester and wouldn't be too surprised if they overtake Auburn for the top spot with a little bit of work.

3. Stevenson: This team's a lot closer to than some think. Jason and Jeeho are great players, but unfortunately, it looks like their full A-team hasn't been able to show up to most tournaments. A full-strength Stevenson A is definitely always a threat to upset anybody, and they could certainly get another tourney win following Earlybird.

The next tier: These teams can upset the top 3 on a good packet and have potential to jump into the top tier.

4. Carbondale: Man, I really don't know what to think about these guys. They put up some really nice stats shorthanded at NTV, and at full strength, put up some of the best PPB in the state. However, they seem to put up disappointing showings at every tourney and are definitely one of the state's most negprone teams. Jonathan Huh could be the best sophomore in the state and seems to be improving quickly, so this team could really make the top tier if they curb their negging.

5. Latin: I haven't actually gotten to see them play yet, so this might be a bit high, but they're a balanced scoring team that his been placing very well recently.

6. Springfield: Was Jackson's sensational showing at NTV a one-time thing? If he can repeat that performance and get a bit of a supporting cast this team might leapfrog Latin.

7. IMSA B: Andrew Salij could be the next great Illinois generalist. Made top bracket at NTV mostly playing solo, with wins over Fremd and a shorthanded Carbondale to get there. This team is significantly lower without him, obviously.

Tier 3: Teams that can sneak into top brackets if they're lucky. Mostly young teams with promising futures.

8. Bloomington: They probably suffer from the fact that I haven't seen them play yet, but Alston's a good player with a decent supporting cast. They do have a few wins over Auburn.

9. Auburn B:Solid balanced team, a second bracket mainstay. Needs some more big wins for me to consider moving them up.

10. Fenton: We know Greg can score, but it looks like he needs more support to get over the hump and win more games.

11. Fremd:Jennie's evolved from the best arts player in the state to a pretty good generalist, but is still pretty much a one-woman team.

12. UChicago Lab: Haven't seen them play yet, but good showing at NTV and they won their Kickoff.

13. Hinsdale Central: They know things but need to not neg 5+ times/game in order to consistently win. They're young though.

I probably missed someone, so please let me know how disappointing this post was.

EDIT: Awww nuts I forgot Barrington. I'm willing to label their morning performance at NTV as an anomaly, as they looked really good in the bottom bracket where I was reading. Put them somewhere in the middle of Tier 3, as well as in the "young teams to watch" list.
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Post by Dominator » Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:41 pm

I'll just add a few thoughts to the rankings based on what I saw today at Niles West, in the order of their finish. This tournament did not change the fact that IMSA, Auburn, and Stevenson are the top three teams in Illinois and that everyone else is a noticeable drop lower. However, I think we saw that some of the teams being considered 3rd tier above are probably as good as the 2nd tier teams.

(1) Auburn A - Auburn has gotten a lot better even in the last month. What I saw today leads me to think that they will be a top 10 team at PACE, so long as they can overcome their tendency to give up games they shouldn't be losing. Given that they've cleared the fields at their last two tournaments, they might have already fixed this problem.

(2) Fremd A - This team is a lot better than they are getting credit for. They were my pick to get 2nd before the tournament began today because I expected Jennie's teammates to pick things up, and they did, albeit differently than I expected: they were getting really impressive buzzes in a bunch of categories. Obviously the team would not be on the radar without Jennie, but this team is far from just The Jennie Show. Were it not for sectional geography, I would expect them to place in at least one of the state tournaments.

(3) Wheaton North - I'm not at all surprised with their final placement, but I got to see them play a lot and they were probably buzzing earlier more consistently than any other team I saw. The unfortunate thing is that those buzzes came in limited topics. I read both their matchup with Fremd, in the playoffs and in the second place game. Their loss to Fremd in the playoffs was very narrow and was caused in part by a great WN buzz in which the player knew what was going on but forgot what the question was going for. The difference between WN and Fremd seems to be a question of breadth against depth. Fremd can cover more categories well, but WN will dominate theirs, and so they will probably play a lot of excellent games for the rest of the year.

(4) Silence of the Anks - This team was not at full strength, but if I were their coach, this is the lineup I'd stick with. James and Sunny were responsible for most of the buzzes, BJ and Hugo were solid role players, and the team played patiently (for once) and had their best tournament to date, including a nice win over Fremd. They handled some strong teams really well and kept control all day. If this is the future of their school's quizbowl, they are going to be tough in the next few seasons.

(T-5) St. Joe's - This team seemed better than the 5th best from what I saw, but they had a couple bad games after lunch and placed lower than I figured. If we started the day over again and replayed things, I could see them getting second in this field.

(T-5) Auburn B - They had my favorite buzz of the day, but this team is a step down from the top 5 due mostly to a lack of cohesion. That said, they are certainly one of the best B teams in the country.

(7 and 8) Loyola A and Fremd B - I don't know in which order they finished, but I saw each for only one game in the upper bracket, and both were beaten by very strong teams, so I didn't get a good sense of how they played.

(somewhere lower) The Country Bears - IIRC this team is from the town of Stillman Valley. I think they were easily one of the 8 best teams at this tournament, but initial seeding shut them out of the upper bracket (they lost to WN and Silence of the Anks in the morning). They played similarly to Silence of the Anks in the morning, so we should be expecting them to be at the top of the second playoff bracket in future Illinois tourneys.

I don't have much more to add, because I've forgotten details and it's been a long day.

tl;dr: Auburn, Fremd, and Wheaton North are better than you think they are.
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Post by garciaja » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:03 pm

Hey everyone, the NAQT State thread is up: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15437

Qualified teams should totally register right now!
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Post by Saltasassi » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:33 pm

It looks like Masonic Sectional assignments are up!

http://www.masonicbowl.org/index.html#

Good luck to everyone in a few weeks!
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Post by remake20 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:37 pm

Some thoughts from the Springfield tournament:

Dunlap was the dark horse of the tournament, obtaining second after some solid play and a surprise win over Springfield. But their 16.67PPB (4th) for the day isn't that impressive.

Jackson played well, claiming the top individual spot at 122PPG, but what puzzles me was the 12.5PPB and only 8 tossups in the game versus Dunlap (a team that was not super quick to the buzzer). In the final game he put up 25PPB and would have easily beat us, except for our biggest scoring spread of the day in which literally everyone was vital to the outcome.

Bloomington had no problems with anyone and got an easy first place, but were potentially aided by never playing Springfield.

The tournament also got to see a lot of the class A competition come together. Cumberland's Charlie Ault finished 4th overall in the individuals and had a good ~18.5PPB for the first two games before dropping off down to 15.31PPB for the day. Southwestern put up a couple of good games, but also a couple of shaky looking ones. They're lead by a sophomore so they will be good in the coming years, especially if they can be more consistent. I was pretty satisfied with our play, but I didn't feel we were as sharp as we can be. We had some communication errors during bonuses that we need to work on (this was especially plaguing in our game against Bloomington).

It was a great day overall, but it wasn't near as exciting as what I assume Ultima was.
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Post by heterodyne » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:10 pm

remake20 wrote:Some thoughts from the Springfield tournament:

Dunlap was the dark horse of the tournament, obtaining second after some solid play and a surprise win over Springfield. But their 16.67PPB (4th) for the day isn't that impressive.

Jackson played well, claiming the top individual spot at 122PPG, but what puzzles me was the 12.5PPB and only 8 tossups in the game versus Dunlap (a team that was not super quick to the buzzer). In the final game he put up 25PPB and would have easily beat us, except for our biggest scoring spread of the day in which literally everyone was vital to the outcome.

Bloomington had no problems with anyone and got an easy first place, but were potentially aided by never playing Springfield.

The tournament also got to see a lot of the class A competition come together. Cumberland's Charlie Ault finished 4th overall in the individuals and had a good ~18.5PPB for the first two games before dropping off down to 15.31PPB for the day. Southwestern put up a couple of good games, but also a couple of shaky looking ones. They're lead by a sophomore so they will be good in the coming years, especially if they can be more consistent. I was pretty satisfied with our play, but I didn't feel we were as sharp as we can be. We had some communication errors during bonuses that we need to work on (this was especially plaguing in our game against Bloomington).

It was a great day overall, but it wasn't near as exciting as what I assume Ultima was.
Even more thoughts:

Dunlap showed promise when we played them. They had some noticeable gaps in knowledge that would be filled in a more experienced team, but their scoring is balanced and they played well against us.

Jackson of course is good, but he struggles with NAQT. I also drop off somewhat on NAQT, but the rest of my team picks up, so it works out. Our bonus conversion was lower than it could have been, but whatever. I was hoping to play Springfield and was hoping to avenge our loss at NTV. Hopefully we will be able to meet next weekend at BMI.

Class A definitely showed how good they can be today. Charley Ault (Cumberland) is really strong at history and other social science-y type things. David York (Litchfield) got second scorer of the day, behind only Jackson.

It's unfortunate that no stats were kept for the JV division, because it would have been interesting to see how that played out. I know Bloomington A (JV) went undefeated, but I don't know if they got to play all the other potential undefeated teams.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:14 pm

Hi everyone. The University of Kentucky is running a two-day pre-national event. Saturday's tournament will be held under NAQT rules using SCT DII, while Sunday's will be held under PACE rules with MUT.

I know this would be more of a travel than most Illinois teams are used to, but it is less than 6 hours from Chicago to Lexington per Google Maps. If you compare that with the 46 needed to get to Guatemala City, it's not so bad (I will warn you that going to Lexington before Guatemala City does add 4 hours to your trip). I also think we're more experienced at running tournaments, possibly.
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Post by Deviant Insider » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:29 am

If you want to nominate a student to Team Illinois and haven't yet done so, do it now.

All coaches got an email allowing them to nominate students for All-Sectional, which must be done by February 11.

If you want to register for NAQT State, do it very soon.

The IHSSBCA Annual Meeting will take place the morning of Sunday, February 23 at UIUC. Email me if you are not on the Steering Committee but want details so you can attend.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by WaliAli » Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:02 pm

Is the email on the IHSSBCA NASAT Applciation correct? I sent an email but I got a reply from that email address saying that is was not the correct email.

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Post by Deviant Insider » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:57 pm

The team Illinois application email address we had on our website was wrong. The name before @gmail.com should be jaydwinter. If you sent an application to the wrong address, please resend an application to the correct email address. This is our fault, and we apologize.
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Post by JHuh33 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:33 pm

Maybe this isn't the appropriate place to ask, but is there a tentative date for the rescheduled BELLECO mirror?
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Post by garciaja » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:25 pm

Out of the Centennial Sectional Coaches' Meeting

1 Bloomington
2 Centennial
3 Streator
4 Crete Monee
5 Normal U High
6 Normal Community
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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:57 pm

I remember when seeding meeting results were among the more active days in this thread. Good times.

Keith's sectional:
1. Sterling Newman
2. Morrison
3. Lena-Winslow
4. Keith
5-8. I don't remember, my AD has the paper
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Post by thrillhouse » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:32 pm

Seeding Meeding:

Congrats and thanks to James at Centennial for playing host for our sectional meeting. It was the fastest, most efficient, and most well put together seeding meeting ever I have ever been to, which is generally a good thing.

Generally.

This was a huge waste of our time and resources. My time is unicorn blood (precious and rare), especially on weekdays. There were four coaches present, far from a quorum by any definition. Getting a district vehicle, traveling two hours round trip, and having a meeting just under an hour (for a total of nearly three) for something that could be done on Google Drive or Hangout is just absurd.

I am pleased Brad posted the results of his meeting, and my curiosity would be satiated even more if others did as well. That will be up soon enough, however; I am more interested to hear the thoughts of other coaches regarding their meetings.
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Post by jonah » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:37 pm

thrillhouse wrote:This was a huge waste of our time and resources.
Tell the IHSA. They won't care, but it will make me feel better.
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Post by garciaja » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:50 pm

thrillhouse wrote:It was the fastest, most efficient, and most well put together seeding meeting ever I have ever been to, which is generally a good thing.
I agree with your post's sentiment about the uselessness of the meeting and about me being great. Next time I'm hosting this on Google Hangout, or at a local trivia night.

It was nice to have pop, pretzels, and candy on the AD's dime though.
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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:22 pm

My AD is gonna talk to Ron McGraw about moving to online seeding meetings next year, and I encourage other coaches to get their ADs to do the same -- whether you hosted or traveled, you wasted your time tonight.

The primary concern for the IHSA is getting those 4 Regional hosts set up, and placing the onus on Sectional managers is a very easy delegation to do. It's also something that could be accomplished via a checkbox on the record report form. It's not like my AD was able to strong-arm anyone into hosting by virtue of being physically present; we had three willing hosts and no clue who's gonna get the 4th site, which is exactly where we were after e-mail correspondence leading up to the meeting.

The Roman pizza my AD got for us was delicious.
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Post by thrillhouse » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:36 pm

The Roman pizza my AD got for us was delicious.[/quote]

Pizza?!

James: I think you have some 'splainin to do. Congrats and thanks are going to be redacted.
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Post by the return of AHAN » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:34 am

in on these shenanigans wrote:I remember when seeding meeting results were among the more active days in this thread. Good times.
This thread is a shell of what it used to be, IMO. Ever since Egan left... :sad:
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Post by the return of AHAN » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:39 am

Per Rob Baker...
Stevenson 1, Barrington 2, Fremd 3, St. Viator 4, Grayslake 5, Carmel 6, Rolling Meadows 7, Buff. Grove 8...
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by Coach G » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:53 pm

We had Subway sandwiches and chocolate chip cookies. :-)
Eight coaches attended.
Seedings: Auburn 1, Kaneland 2, Boylan 3, Crystal Lake South 4, Woodstock Marian 5, Stillman Valley 6, Belvidere North 7, Prairie Ridge 8
Regional hosts: Auburn, Kaneland, Boylan, Belvidere North
Jeff, sorry this post isn't more exciting.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by Dominator » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:57 pm

I couldn't make the seeding meeting due to prior commitment. Our AD asked McGraw to let him run it online, which McGraw denied, citing no good reason. Anyway, my AD gave me this report:

(1) Wheaton North
(T2) Metea Valley
(T2) Naperville Central
(4) IMSA
(5) Naperville North
(6) Wheaton Academy
(7) Oswego East
(8) St. Charles East

So, to be clear, we are currently ranked lower in our sectional than we are in The Nation According to Fred Morlan. There is a win in this: somehow my AD talked Naperville North into hosting the regional instead of having us do it.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by MLaudermith » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:58 pm

Nine schools were represented at the OPRF sectional.

1. Fenton
2. Hinsdale Central
3. Latin
4. Oak Park-River Forest
5. Fenwick
6. Lyons Township
7. St. Ignatius
8. Maine South
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:27 pm

Dominator wrote:I couldn't make the seeding meeting due to prior commitment. Our AD asked McGraw to let him run it online, which McGraw denied, citing no good reason. Anyway, my AD gave me this report:

(1) Wheaton North
(T2) Metea Valley
(T2) Naperville Central
(4) IMSA
(5) Naperville North
(6) Wheaton Academy
(7) Oswego East
(8) St. Charles East

So, to be clear, we are currently ranked lower in our sectional than we are in The Nation According to Fred Morlan. There is a win in this: somehow my AD talked Naperville North into hosting the regional instead of having us do it.
lolololololol

Edit: lolololol
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by cornfused » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:57 pm

in on these shenanigans wrote:I remember when seeding meeting results were among the more active days in this thread. Good times.

Keith's sectional:
1. Sterling Newman
2. Morrison
3. Lena-Winslow
4. Keith
5-8. I don't remember, my AD has the paper
From a game theory perspective, this is interesting to me - Lena-Winslow was ranked behind Keith on every ballot, but finished ahead because a Keith coach was at the meeting and L-W's coach wasn't. I don't mind 3 vs 4 - really, it just doesn't matter - but shouldn't there be something in place to stop this kind of result from happening?
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by the return of AHAN » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:15 pm

Coach G wrote:We had Subway sandwiches and chocolate chip cookies. :-)
Eight coaches attended.....(snip)
Jeff, sorry this post isn't more exciting.
At least make something up, like Coach A got into an argument with Coach B and threw a Subway sandwich at him/her. :grin:
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:18 pm

cornfused wrote:
in on these shenanigans wrote:I remember when seeding meeting results were among the more active days in this thread. Good times.

Keith's sectional:
1. Sterling Newman
2. Morrison
3. Lena-Winslow
4. Keith
5-8. I don't remember, my AD has the paper
From a game theory perspective, this is interesting to me - Lena-Winslow was ranked behind Keith on every ballot, but finished ahead because a Keith coach was at the meeting and L-W's coach wasn't. I don't mind 3 vs 4 - really, it just doesn't matter - but shouldn't there be something in place to stop this kind of result from happening?
My mistake -- Lena Winslow was 2nd, not 3rd.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by Deviant Insider » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:22 pm

cornfused wrote:
in on these shenanigans wrote:I remember when seeding meeting results were among the more active days in this thread. Good times.

Keith's sectional:
1. Sterling Newman
2. Morrison
3. Lena-Winslow
4. Keith
5-8. I don't remember, my AD has the paper
From a game theory perspective, this is interesting to me - Lena-Winslow was ranked behind Keith on every ballot, but finished ahead because a Keith coach was at the meeting and L-W's coach wasn't. I don't mind 3 vs 4 - really, it just doesn't matter - but shouldn't there be something in place to stop this kind of result from happening?
T&C VB8 is in place to prevent that from happening.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:31 pm

OK then! Two things to take from this:
1. I didn't bother to look up anything about this, so it's my fault, and
2. My AD's e-mails to Ron McGraw on that subject were ignored with such aplomb that we just assumed there was nothing to look up.

If it actually mattered for anything, I'd be worried, but the regional hosts are who they should be and it's so hard to care about this while I wait to hear Prince's story.
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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by mhasquin » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:49 pm

Class A Sectional @ Carlinville

1. Litchfield
2. Southwestern (Piasa)
3. Mater Dei Catholic (Breese)
4. Carrollton
5. Carlinville
6. Gillespie
7. Metro East Lutheran (Edwardsville)
8. Auburn

Schools that attended the Sectional Seed Meeting: Auburn, Carlinville, Carrollton, Gillespie, Greenfield, Litchfield, Mater Dei Catholic, Southwestern. It was discussed at our meeting that the Sectional Seed meetings would take place "on site" until Mr. McGraw retires. The selection of regional hosts was the most important factor given by a coach "in the know."

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Re: Illinois '13-'14

Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:43 pm

Sharon Lorinskas is now the Chair of the IHSSBCA. Congratulations to her!
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