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Post by AKKOLADE » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:59 pm

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Grams's Go-Go Boots wrote:I think I have Orchard Farms listed as the NE site.
Do you have the actual NE site at Kirksville then?
I do; looks like both are under the same tournament name. I'll have to fix that some time.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:25 am

I'm currently up to 3745 stat lines from 2100 teams in my Excel sheet.
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Post by KnicksRule » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:25 pm

When is the next update?
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:30 pm

When it's done.
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Post by Grace » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:59 pm

I would like to argue that the current theme for the rankings page makes it look like you're running a pregnancy blog for your baby girl (jokes, jokes, but not actually).
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:00 pm

Ivar the Boneless wrote:I would like to argue that the current theme for the rankings page makes it look like you're running a pregnancy blog for your baby girl (jokes, jokes, but not actually).
i'm far too young to have a pregnant daughter though?!
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Post by ryanrosenberg » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:03 pm

Grams's Go-Go Boots wrote:Also, comments are returning starting with the next post. Or maybe on all posts. I'm not entirely certain. Hopefully Alan Wright can return.
If you're waiting until Father Schweers's sabbatical is up to resume comments, I'm perfectly okay with that.
Ivar the Boneless wrote:I would like to argue that the current theme for the rankings page makes it look like you're running a pregnancy blog for your baby girl (jokes, jokes, but not actually).
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:17 pm

The Predictable Consequences wrote:
Grams's Go-Go Boots wrote:Also, comments are returning starting with the next post. Or maybe on all posts. I'm not entirely certain. Hopefully Alan Wright can return.
If you're waiting until Father Schweers's sabbatical is up to resume comments, I'm perfectly okay with that.
It's supposed to be back up, but I also really don't care that much.
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Re: HSQBRank 2013-2014: Witty Subtitle

Post by ScoBo » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:25 pm

129. Rock Bridge A (PA) (UR) – 20.76
Is this supposed to be the Rock Bridge in MO that had 20.56 PPB on GSAC, or is there a Rock Bridge in Pennsylvania I can't find? (I notice that the aPPB for #162 Hannibal is 19.97 for their actual combined GSAC PPB of 19.77, so it seems like that's the stat line this Rock Bridge refers to.)

Both Rock Bridge and Hannibal also have more stat lines than that this year - are those other stats excluded for some reason? (No big deal - I'm just curious)

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Post by Corry » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:30 pm

Ivar the Boneless wrote:I would like to argue that the current theme for the rankings page makes it look like you're running a pregnancy blog for your baby girl (jokes, jokes, but not actually).
To be fair, I now find the website far more pleasing to read.

Though it might help if the pink background was changed to blue or something.
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Post by bobodoll » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:31 am

Pretty sure this has already been accounted for, but just to make sure: Arcadia A at ACF Regionals was short a player, their science specialist.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:06 am

ScoBo wrote:
129. Rock Bridge A (PA) (UR) – 20.76
Is this supposed to be the Rock Bridge in MO that had 20.56 PPB on GSAC, or is there a Rock Bridge in Pennsylvania I can't find? (I notice that the aPPB for #162 Hannibal is 19.97 for their actual combined GSAC PPB of 19.77, so it seems like that's the stat line this Rock Bridge refers to.)

Both Rock Bridge and Hannibal also have more stat lines than that this year - are those other stats excluded for some reason? (No big deal - I'm just curious)

Thanks!
Yeah, I goofed on the state. I'll fix it when I wake up later.

I don't have those other stat lines showing up because of the gap between their top performances and those other stats.
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Ivar the Boneless wrote:I would like to argue that the current theme for the rankings page makes it look like you're running a pregnancy blog for your baby girl (jokes, jokes, but not actually).
To be fair, I now find the website far more pleasing to read.

Though it might help if the pink background was changed to blue or something.
I don't think I can change the background without changing the whole layout.
bobodoll wrote:Pretty sure this has already been accounted for, but just to make sure: Arcadia A at ACF Regionals was short a player, their science specialist.
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Post by jonpin » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:25 am

It's worth noting, as mentioned above, Fred has well over 3000 statlines.
1. It would be an awful timesink for him to research roster adjustments to all of those teams.
2. It would be inconsistent to only add those adjustments to those teams which actively request them.
3. It would be mathematically silly to come up with some ad hoc "second player missing? add 7% to their PPB to compensate" adjustment.
4. Primarily, teams are ranked on their best performance, so if you ever get your whole team together, you'll be ranked based on that. If not, we'll just have to settle for you surprising us all at nationals.
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Post by Corry » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:18 am

Grams's Go-Go Boots wrote: I don't think I can change the background without changing the whole layout.
According to the theme page for Adelle, you should be able to use a custom background by going to Appearance->Background in the Wordpress settings.

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Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:57 am

what if I'm actually having a girl instead of a boy though
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Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:47 am

Corry wrote:
Grams's Go-Go Boots wrote: I don't think I can change the background without changing the whole layout.
According to the theme page for Adelle, you should be able to use a custom background by going to Appearance->Background in the Wordpress settings.

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But since you have an understanding of Wordpress that may be greater than mine: how do you turn comments on for an individual post?
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Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:48 am

jonpin wrote:It's worth noting, as mentioned above, Fred has well over 3000 statlines.
1. It would be an awful timesink for him to research roster adjustments to all of those teams.
2. It would be inconsistent to only add those adjustments to those teams which actively request them.
3. It would be mathematically silly to come up with some ad hoc "second player missing? add 7% to their PPB to compensate" adjustment.
4. Primarily, teams are ranked on their best performance, so if you ever get your whole team together, you'll be ranked based on that. If not, we'll just have to settle for you surprising us all at nationals.
And to TRIPLE POST!~: this post from Jon is 100% correct. Arcadia in particular already has 4 aPPBs better than the Regs performance; no adjustment would even be necessary.
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Post by Corry » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:27 pm

Grams's Go-Go Boots wrote: But since you have an understanding of Wordpress that may be greater than mine: how do you turn comments on for an individual post?
Yeah sure. On the "Edit Post" page for an individual post, click "Screen Options" on the upper right-hand corner, and click "Discussion". This will make the Discussion module visible-- from there, you can enable or disable comments individually. Like so: http://i.imgur.com/H1S3rne.png
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Post by sephirothrr » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:20 pm

HSQBRank wrote:166. Gonzaga A (DC) (15656) – 19.74, 19.10
I didn't realize that your old rankings went that far down, I didn't even know there were over 15,000 teams!
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Post by zachary_yan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:07 pm

About what ppb adjustment would HSNCT and NSC have or does it vary too much from year to year to be sure?
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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:35 pm

Corry wrote:
Grams's Go-Go Boots wrote: But since you have an understanding of Wordpress that may be greater than mine: how do you turn comments on for an individual post?
Yeah sure. On the "Edit Post" page for an individual post, click "Screen Options" on the upper right-hand corner, and click "Discussion". This will make the Discussion module visible-- from there, you can enable or disable comments individually. Like so: http://i.imgur.com/H1S3rne.png
Thanks; this should now be working.
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Post by Theodore » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:44 pm

I believe you're missing ACF Regionals (http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... /complete/) for Colonel By (if you decided to include ACF Regionals in the rankings). Also, could you please post the updated stat adjustments for sets?
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Post by Mark Wolfsberg » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:35 pm

I was looking at the Morlan ranking system and noticed that he makes adjustments for different question sets. What would the adjustment be for the ,NAQT produced, questions read for NYS Master Mind Leagues ? I was curious to see if it really works out. My Kid's team actually got ranked based on 19.8 PPB at Prison Bowl with 5 mostly good players. In the Albany Masterminds League playing with 18 kids on the team and communistically letting everyone play they pull down 21.7 I assume the 21.7 is worse than the 19.8..., Tomorrow they start their Masterminds playoffs & I assume they'll play with a stronger core group... so we'll see what their PPB goes to then. I wonder if the playoff masterminds Questions are any harder than the regular season?

Any insight to satisfy my curiosity is appreciated.
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Mark Wolfsberg wrote:I was looking at the Morlan ranking system and noticed that he makes adjustments for different question sets. What would the adjustment be for the ,NAQT produced, questions read for NYS Master Mind Leagues ? I was curious to see if it really works out. My Kid's team actually got ranked based on 19.8 PPB at Prison Bowl with 5 mostly good players. In the Albany Masterminds League playing with 18 kids on the team and communistically letting everyone play they pull down 21.7 I assume the 21.7 is worse than the 19.8..., Tomorrow they start their Masterminds playoffs & I assume they'll play with a stronger core group... so we'll see what their PPB goes to then. I wonder if the playoff masterminds Questions are any harder than the regular season?

Any insight to satisfy my curiosity is appreciated.
I don't do anything with Masterminds, in part because teams are apparently made up of a limitless number of players.
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Post by Mark Wolfsberg » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:43 pm

Fred,

I get that, but I am more interested in what you think the adjustment( for the hardness of the question sets they use ) would be. Also in the playoffs they seem to go with the core players, so that may be more interesting to you. If you'd like I can send you the results or point you at them after they are done....
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Post by Important Bird Area » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:59 pm

Mark Wolfsberg wrote:I wonder if the playoff masterminds Questions are any harder than the regular season?
All of the questions that we provide to MasterMinds are the same level of difficulty (our Introductory Invitational Series).
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Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:03 pm

I just think a tournament that goes beyond 5 vs 5 isn't really able to have a difficulty adjustment determined for it, since an adjustment depends on comparing it vs an IS performance (with 4 or 5 players per team).
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Post by Mark Wolfsberg » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:42 am

Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:urnament that goes beyond 5 vs 5 isn't really able to have a difficulty adjustment determined for it, since an adjustment depends on comparing it vs an IS performance (with 4 or 5 players per team).
Fred, I am not asking you to rank them based on this. I agree that you would have no integrity if you did. But, I want to get a feel for how good our best players are. I know which players answer the questions.. So this really helps.

bird bird bird bird bird wrote:
Mark Wolfsberg wrote:I wonder if the playoff masterminds Questions are any harder than the regular season?
All of the questions that we provide to MasterMinds are the same level of difficulty (our Introductory Invitational Series).
So probably -4 to -5, At least now, I know it isn't -10 or -1.
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Post by etchdulac » Thu May 01, 2014 9:34 am

Hey, Fred. Did you wind up not having time for a pre-SSNCT post? Or is it still forthcoming? Just wondering.
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etchdulac wrote:Hey, Fred. Did you wind up not having time for a pre-SSNCT post? Or is it still forthcoming? Just wondering.
Finals week. Only thing being ranked right now is how sad I am.
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Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:
etchdulac wrote:Hey, Fred. Did you wind up not having time for a pre-SSNCT post? Or is it still forthcoming? Just wondering.
Finals week. Only thing being ranked right now is how sad I am.
Understood. Good times!
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Post by AKKOLADE » Thu May 01, 2014 11:53 pm

Here are all the tournaments I currently have in my spreadsheet. Let me know if I'm missing any.

ACF Fall @ Cal Berkeley
ACF Fall at NIU
ACF Fall at OSU
ACF Fall Southeast
ACF Regionals California
ACF Regionals Mid-Atlantic
ACF Regionals Toronto
Agnes Irwin
Alamo City Challenge
Alberta Quizbowl Tournament II
ANGST
AQA December
AQA February
AQA James
AQA LIST IV Mirror
AQA November
AQA September
Arcadia AXOLOTL
ATROPHY V
ATTACK III
BAAL Horace @ Hillsdale
Bacon Bowl
Battle of the Burgh
Beartolt Becht Varsity
Beartotl Brecht JV
BELLAFONTE
BELLOCO
Berkeley Novice
BHSAT at Georgia Tech
BHSAT XXIII
BISB at Haverford
Blacksburg High Academic Invitational
Blue Hen Invitational
BMI
Bobcat Challenge
Boise State Treasure Valley
Bolton
Bonfire of the Manatees
BOSSICK Allen-Auglaize
BOSSICK Henry-Defiance-Wood
BOSSICK Lawrence-Gallia
BOSSICK Logan-Harding
BOSSICK Miami-Shelby
BOSSICK Pauldin-Putnam-Van Wert
BOSSICK Pike-Jackson-Ross
BOSSICK Scioto
BOSSICK Trumbull
BOSSICK Wayne-Holmes
BOSSICK Wyandot-Crawford-Marion
BOSSICK: Clermont Brown
BOSSICK: Hancock
Brainbusters Fall
Brumaire Memorial
Brush Invitational
Bull Bowl
Cal Cup 3
Cal Cup 4 JV
Cal Cup 4 Varsity
California Cup JV
California Cup Varsity
Capistrano SMITH
Capistrano SMITH JV
Cavalier Classic XVI
CaVIAR
Centennial Invitational
Central Buckeye
Central Massachusetts Fall
Centralia Autumn
Chapelle Fall
Cobalt Invitational
Collins Hill Season Ender
Columbus City League
Comet Open
Connecticut Invitational V
Cornell Cayuga Championship
Covenant Christian Invitational
CSI
CSWIFT
Dan Goff Memorial
Delaware Fall
Demon Deacon Challenge
Drake Bulldog Bowl
Dutchtown Invitational
East of Eden
EPIC WIN
FKT at Hubbard
FKT at Olmsted Falls
FKT at OSU
FKT at Sidney
Florida Gateway
Floridian High School Winter
GATT
Germantown Invitational
Glen Gonsalvez NAQT
Golden Eagle Bowl II
Great Valley
GSAC XXI
Hallsville
Harvard Fall Tournament
Helias Catholic
HFT at Auburn
Hoover Elite
Hoover Invitational
IHOP
IHSSBCA Kickoff - Centennial
IHSSBCA Kickoff - Greenville
IHSSBCA Kickoff - Maine South (Competitive)
IHSSBCA Kickoff - Maine South (Standard)
IHSSBCA Kickoff - Sterling
IHSSBCA Kickoff at Carbondale
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Re: HSQBRank 2013-2014: Witty Subtitle

Post by Beevor Feevor » Fri May 02, 2014 6:55 am

Will there be an adjustment done for MUT? There are a decent amount of high school teams that have played it this year at various sites. Though if the issue is finals putting too much of a strain on time, then that's totally understandable.
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Which tournaments have had high schoolers play MUT?
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Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:Which tournaments have had high schoolers play MUT?
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2186/ (Minn. - EP)
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2225/ (UIUC - "Panda Express")
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2169/ (Claremont - Arcadia)
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2085/ (VCU - WA, OM, "St. Luke's")
Not exactly the greatest selection of HS teams, but your call.
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Post by Corry » Fri May 02, 2014 9:57 am

Cody wrote:
Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:Which tournaments have had high schoolers play MUT?
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2186/ (Minn. - EP)
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2225/ (UIUC - "Panda Express")
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2169/ (Claremont - Arcadia)
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2085/ (VCU - WA, OM, "St. Luke's")
Not exactly the greatest selection of HS teams, but your call.
http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournaments/2188/ Also Detroit Catholic Central and Dublin Scioto.
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Post by Deviant Insider » Fri May 02, 2014 9:58 am

There is also DONTQUIT, which had actual high school teams.
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Post by Cold Stone Steve Austin » Fri May 02, 2014 1:06 pm

Just a heads up, Albany and Amador are playing MUT at Berkeley this weekend.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri May 02, 2014 8:15 pm

Am I missing any other tournaments?
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Post by Ndg » Sat May 03, 2014 12:39 pm

Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:Here are my nearly forgotten about SSNCT projections.
The Smithville at SSNCT (Ohio) is not the one in your projections (Missouri).
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Post by AKKOLADE » Sat May 03, 2014 2:22 pm

I swear that it listed Smithville from MO in the field earlier today...
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Post by AKKOLADE » Tue May 13, 2014 9:01 pm

Here's the list of states by the number of teams I had stats for in my spreadsheet. This does include B/C/etc teams. Note that it does not include teams that played a format that would not give me numbers I could use for aPPB.

Illinois - 225
Ohio - 223
Missouri - 165
California - 150
Pennsylvania - 100
Virginia - 90
Florida - 88
New York - 86
Tennessee - 82
Texas - 78
North Carolina - 70
Kentucky - 68
Michigan - 68
New Jersey - 68
Alabama - 63
Minnesota - 58
Georgia - 55
Vermont - 55
Louisiana - 48
South Carolina - 39
Wisconsin - 34
Indiana - 33
Massachusetts - 33
Oklahoma - 33
Maryland - 31
Arizona - 29
Mississippi - 27
Ontario - 19
Arkansas - 18
South Dakota - 18
Connecticut - 17
Delaware - 17
West Virginia - 16
Washington - 14
Alberta - 10
Oregon - 10
China - 8
Iowa - 7
DC - 5
Idaho - 5
Singapore - 5
Philippines - 2
Colorado - 1
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Post by samus149 » Tue May 13, 2014 10:04 pm

Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote: China - 8
Who are these guys and what tournament(s) did they play?
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