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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by heterodyne » Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:49 pm

Just to clarify, Bloomington loses Staeliam Schipper-Reyes, Sam Doud, and Nathaniel Smith. Sam was not with us at PACE, Nathaniel didn't play much at HSNCT.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by Helmuth von Moltke » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:43 pm

Johnson Central lost their top history and science competitors in myself and Clay Davenport, and their primary math competitor in Dalton Hopper. Everyone else is returning, as far as I know.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by ndikkala » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:46 pm

I'm not sure if you don't have data on us or if we don't fall in the top 200 :sad:, but I was wondering if GSMST is a part of this ranking system. Also if we are, we lose Viral (Virgil) Shah, our former top player/captain. I don't think BISB 2013 stats went up anywhere but we got second place there. We also placed 3rd in 3A GATA State. I wanted to add the P/B numbers for the tournaments we went to that reported these numbers. In ATTACK III, we were 8th after prelims with a 15.95 P/B, and at GATA we had a 20.05 P/B. For the prelims of BISB we had a 16.63 P/B, and we went on to get 2nd place, but I don't have stats on playoffs.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:06 am

You weren't in the pre-nationals top 200, so you won't be featured in these write ups. If your team performs well enough this season, they'll make it into the rankings regardless of their pre-season projection.
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Post by Corry » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:08 pm

Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:http://hsqbrank.com/2014/08/27/2014-15- ... -seveteen/
Actually, Canyon Crest Academy only graduates one top scorer, Oliver. Varkey is a sophomore and Nathan is a junior this year.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:32 am

Corry wrote:
Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:http://hsqbrank.com/2014/08/27/2014-15- ... -seveteen/
Actually, Canyon Crest Academy only graduates one top scorer, Oliver. Varkey is a sophomore and Nathan is a junior this year.
Okay, I looked at this and for CCA's best aPPB performance, they lost their top three scorers. I'm fine with their projection.

I did make corrections to part sixteen.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

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Post by Great Bustard » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:28 am

Ridgewood didn't go to HSNCT last year (hence why they missed the playoffs).
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Post by pajaro bobo » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:01 am

Great Bustard wrote:Ridgewood didn't go to HSNCT last year (hence why they missed the playoffs).
Technically, they did. Just not the one from New Jersey.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:34 am

Fixed, sorry.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by Cold Stone Steve Austin » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:25 pm

For Westview, it's Aseem. (HSAPQ made the same typo for NASAT for some reason.)

Also, are you intentionally ignoring the performance of teams who go to nationals under pseudonyms?
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by AKKOLADE » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:31 pm

Hidehiro Anto wrote:For Westview, it's Aseem. (HSAPQ made the same typo for NASAT for some reason.)

Also, are you intentionally ignoring the performance of teams who go to nationals under pseudonyms?
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by AKKOLADE » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:14 am

Here's the last part. http://hsqbrank.com/2014/08/30/2014-15- ... nd-twenty/

Preseason top 50 will be up on Monday at 8 a.m.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by Schmidt Sting Pain Index » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:41 am

I don't know who you included in your figure for High Tech, but their team this year should be similar to their 40th place C team at nsc TWO years (http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... etail/#t28). They return their second scorer from their A team and the top generalist on their B team who scored about 50% of the points, along with various other decent players who went to nationals. I would have expected their performance to be projected as sideways or slightly down.
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Post by kievanrustic » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:11 am

Fred Morlan's hsqbrank said:
Okay, so this is the most complicated team in this preview. First, they lose their coach Dr. Prince; then, there are whispers that there won’t be a replacement or a team next year. But they return two scorers from their A team and all of their B team, plus they pull in name from Barrington. Plus, the truest representation of their B team is one that would not have been strong enough to make the top 200 last year.

I can’t foresee if teams cease playing quiz bowl; I certainly would hope that’s not the case with IMSA. If they do play, though, I would expect both teams to play very well. B should be top 150 again, at least. A could be top 25, but getting definitive at this point with all the question marks is a fool’s errand.
There will most likely be an IMSA squad next year. Nothing is settled yet, but the team has been in contact with a person interested in being the coach, and it seems that this will work out. For what it's worth, IMSA is planning on beginning practices soon.

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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

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Schmidt Sting Pain Index wrote:I don't know who you included in your figure for High Tech, but their team this year should be similar to their 40th place C team at nsc TWO years (http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... etail/#t28). They return their second scorer from their A team and the top generalist on their B team who scored about 50% of the points, along with various other decent players who went to nationals. I would have expected their performance to be projected as sideways or slightly down.
That sounds nothing like a top 5 or 10 team.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

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Dr. Loki Skylizard, Thoracic Surgeon wrote:
Schmidt Sting Pain Index wrote:I don't know who you included in your figure for High Tech, but their team this year should be similar to their 40th place C team at nsc TWO years (http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... etail/#t28). They return their second scorer from their A team and the top generalist on their B team who scored about 50% of the points, along with various other decent players who went to nationals. I would have expected their performance to be projected as sideways or slightly down.
That sounds nothing like a top 5 or 10 team.
Yeah I am not sure about their ability to be a top 5 or 10 team, but I don't agree with the fact that you said they wouldn't see the top 50 again. :lol: That's a pretty funny statement considering what this year's team has already done together in the past.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by jonpin » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:25 pm

Yeah, my feeling on High Tech is that they are still likely to be one of the best teams in New Jersey, but I'm not sure our state has any national contenders this year. High Tech and Ridgewood could both be in the 25-50 range, and I fully expect another few in the next fifty. I'm also amused by:
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Not that I disagree, just "this dude broke all kind of records and basically singlehandedly beat the double champions at each national en route to 2nd place at NSC, and he's back but my prediction is sideways". How could he get even better? How is there even room for that? I'm scared to answer that question.
Side note: WA was actually t-8 at HSNCT.
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Post by ryanrosenberg » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:35 pm

jonpin wrote:How could he get even better?
Probably by doing something crazy like dual-enrolling at UVA and getting to play a full slate of college tournaments while learning from Mattbo and Tommy.
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The Predictable Consequences wrote:
jonpin wrote:How could he get even better?
Probably by doing something crazy like dual-enrolling at UVA and getting to play a full slate of college tournaments while learning from Mattbo and Tommy.
Oh come on, we all know that dual-enrolling in college and playing college tournaments does absolutely nothing to help high school players improve!
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

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NickConderWKU wrote:
The Predictable Consequences wrote:
jonpin wrote:How could he get even better?
Probably by doing something crazy like dual-enrolling at UVA and getting to play a full slate of college tournaments while learning from Mattbo and Tommy.
Oh come on, we all know that dual-enrolling in college and playing college tournaments does absolutely nothing to help high school players improve!
It actually harms them so much that they become ineligible to play in their state league in Kentucky.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by ndikkala » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:09 pm

I loved the writing on that Eric Xu preview. Also, Shub Mehta of Dorman was near-impossible to beat at Ace Camp this year, he should be a significant part of whatever team he's on this year. My friends from Brookwood tell me he's much improved over his performance at Collins Hill in April.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by ndikkala » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:40 pm

Can someone explain what the difference is between the top 200 list for the 2014-15 season preview and the top 50 2014-15 preseason list? Because the rankings were completely different in the two, and there's no explanation of why Brookwood is #36 in the top 50 but #150 in the top 200, since both lists were made preseason.
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Post by Important Bird Area » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:42 pm

The "season preview" list used the top 200 teams from last year's (2013-14) rankings.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by Halved Xenon Stinging » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:43 pm

The top 200 previews used the rankings from the 2013-2014 season, and predicted whether each team would get better, worse, or stay about the same. The preseason top 50 used the information from the top 200 rankings to roughly predict the top 50 teams this season.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:00 pm

Shangdevin wrote:The top 200 previews used the rankings from the 2013-2014 season, and predicted whether each team would get better, worse, or stay about the same. The preseason top 50 used the information from the top 200 rankings to roughly predict the top 50 teams this season.
Specifically, I used information from the top 200 regarding which players are returning to determine the top 50.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

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Post by Insolvency law of Canada » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:14 pm

High Tech's 23.89 ppb at PHSAT on IS-138 probably deserves a mention.
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Post by mithokie » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:11 pm

It appears that the 2014 Tar Heel Cup Stats were not included. Lots of top teams at this one that should give you some good data.

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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:40 pm

Insolvency law of Canada wrote:High Tech's 23.89 ppb at PHSAT on IS-138 probably deserves a mention.
I somehow combined that with Westview's stat line, creating some kind of nightmarish combination. I'll try to update this this weekend, but HT should be 35th.
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Post by Lefty734 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:43 pm

I don't understand. We haven't even been to a tournament yet this year.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:50 pm

It's nothing wrong with Flowery Branch or any other team, this is just the start of the process of trying to segue from the preseason rankings to rankings based off of performances, and it's my best attempt to have a top 50 off of the combined information. I don't have enough information to make anything larger than a top 50 worthwhile.
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Post by KnicksRule » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:39 am

Just wondering: how does 25.3 ppb on an A set translate into aPPB? Also, I am pretty sure that Lexington only attended 2 tournaments; their last ppb (just 17.32) may be incorrect -- that would mean that the appB from an A set is -9.....
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Post by Ndg » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:40 am

KnicksRule wrote:Just wondering: how does 25.3 ppb on an A set translate into aPPB? Also, I am pretty sure that Lexington only attended 2 tournaments; their last ppb (just 17.32) may be incorrect -- that would mean that the appB from an A set is -9.....
Note that the italicized numbers indicated pre-season projected aPPB; these values don’t have a real correlation to “actual” aPPBs that will be generated through the 2014-15 season.
(In fairness, it's hard to see what's italicized and what's not.)
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Post by The Polebarn Hotel » Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:05 am

Do these rankings mean that stat adjustments have been made for some sets?
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Post by Halved Xenon Stinging » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:07 pm

Could you explain exactly how you did the rankings, for example Lexington had PPBs of 22.35 and 22.33 yet we are behind teams such as DuPont Manual and Alpharetta who have slightly lower projected PPBs than us
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Post by zman147 » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:49 pm

I am also wondering if the Tarheel Cup stats were included, as multiple teams had higher PPB's than Dorman and yet Dorman is in this list and they are not.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:36 pm

zman147 wrote:I am also wondering if the Tarheel Cup stats were included, as multiple teams had higher PPB's than Dorman and yet Dorman is in this list and they are not.
They weren't.
Shangdevin wrote:Could you explain exactly how you did the rankings, for example Lexington had PPBs of 22.35 and 22.33 yet we are behind teams such as DuPont Manual and Alpharetta who have slightly lower projected PPBs than us
I tried my best to balance projections and actual stats.
Crazyflight wrote:Do these rankings mean that stat adjustments have been made for some sets?
I'm using last year's adjustments for now.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by The Polebarn Hotel » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:35 pm

I find it a bit mind-boggling that Bethlehem is placed as low as it is.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by RexSueciae » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:43 pm

Crazyflight wrote:I find it a bit mind-boggling that Bethlehem is placed as low as it is.
These are early-season statistics, and it's a big country.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by Milhouse » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:56 pm

Crazyflight wrote:I find it a bit mind-boggling that Bethlehem is placed as low as it is.
Not especially, considering that we've played all of one tournament and are ranked higher than anyone who was at it.
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:36 pm

Crazyflight wrote:I find it a bit mind-boggling that Bethlehem is placed as low as it is.
it's really bad for them that these binding rankings are final for the rest of the season
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by The Ununtiable Twine » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:37 pm

Crazyflight wrote:I find it a bit mind-boggling that Bethlehem is placed as low as it is.
MORLAN QUIT IT WITH YOUR GRUDGE AGAINST BETHLEHEM AND SCHWEERS
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:55 pm

The Ununtiable Twine wrote:
Crazyflight wrote:I find it a bit mind-boggling that Bethlehem is placed as low as it is.
MORLAN QUIT IT WITH YOUR GRUDGE AGAINST BETHLEHEM AND SCHWEERS
my anti-(insert whatever branch of catholicism i was accused of hating here) bias means that i hate cistercian, bethlehem central, every school named after a saint, and nitro high school of wv, as students attend that one may live in cross lanes
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Re: HSQBRank 2014-15

Post by Chef Curry » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:01 am

Jonathan Franzen wrote:
Crazyflight wrote:I find it a bit mind-boggling that Bethlehem is placed as low as it is.
Not especially, considering that we've played all of one tournament and are ranked higher than anyone who was at it.
Actually, and I might have read this wrong, but I think Wilmington Charter A is ranked higher than Bethlehem as of now.
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