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Good Hope Invitational Tournament (Cullman, AL)-10/17/15

Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:51 pm

Good Hope High School is pleased to announce it's first ever scholar's bowl tournament, the Good Hope Invitational! The tournament will be run on Maryland Fall (produced by the University of Maryland).http://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewto ... 09&t=17501 We will use standard NAQT rules (powers, negs, no bouncebacks) without timed rounds. The tournament will be on October 17th, and registration should start around 8:30. For those of you who don't know, Good Hope is located about 2 miles off of exit 304 on I-65, centrally between Birmingham and Huntsville. Registration fees will be as follows:

$65 per team
$55 per additional team
-$20 for any team that does not regularly attend tournaments (this deduction only applies once per school)
-$10 per experienced moderator/staffer
-$5 per buzzer set (max 2 per team)
The minimum fee is $40.

Anyone interested, please register ASAP. You can post below, email me (westchandler24@gmail.com), or email my coach (dhulsey@ccboe.org) to register. We look forward to seeing you all in October.

EDIT: forgot to state format on original post.
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Post by sharathun » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:17 pm

Excited!
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:38 pm

sharathun wrote:Excited!
Spread the word!!
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Post by quizbowllee » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:01 pm

West Point will be there with 3 teams.
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Post by quizbowllee » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:32 am

Field update?
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:14 am

quizbowllee wrote:Field update?
Field update:
Germantown- 1 team
West Point- 3 teams
James Clemens- 2 teams
Hewitt-Trussville- 2 teams. (1 V, 1 JV)
Springville-2 teams (1 V, 1 JV)

Shown Interest:
Vestavia Hills

We will be gauging trying to gauge interest at West Point's tournament on the 19th, if that is okay with Mr. Henry, of course. We will also be trying to recruit some local teams who aren't very active. If the field size ends up being on the small side (<11 teams), a round robin is likely.
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Post by kmattix » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:39 pm

Germantown High School will be bringing a team.
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Post by quizbowllee » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:49 pm

cwest123 wrote:
quizbowllee wrote:Field update?
We will also be trying to recruit some local teams who aren't very active.
Good luck. I sent invites to every team in Cullman County begging them to come. I even offered huge discounts to those schools who don't normally attend invitationals.

Responses I got: zero.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:07 pm

quizbowllee wrote:
cwest123 wrote:
quizbowllee wrote:Field update?
We will also be trying to recruit some local teams who aren't very active.
Good luck. I sent invites to every team in Cullman County begging them to come. I even offered huge discounts to those schools who don't normally attend invitationals.

Responses I got: zero.
Aren't St. Bernard and Cullman fairly active?
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Post by sharathun » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:34 pm

Hey Chandler, sorry for not confirming our registration earlier. James Clemens will be bringing one to two teams depending on the availability of people that weekend on our team. We'll be bringing a buzzer system as well. Thanks!
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Post by sharathun » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:42 pm

I think the best chance of getting more teams would be to send out invitations to teams in the Huntsville and Birmingham areas. The drive is less than an hour from these areas and they may not have registered for GH because they might not have heard about it. Buckhorn, Russellville, Arab, Hoover, just some suggestions. Maybe also look at teams that have registered for WRK and West Point's Housewrite. Just an idea. See you soon!
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Post by kdoss61 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:26 am

You may want to visit the ASCA members list here. Even though it's from last year, it would to your advantage to send a mass invite to teams in the area you are hoping to reach.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:26 pm

If you are planning on attending this, please try and give a definite number of teams you are bringing by around October 10th. However, there will be no official registration deadline, as we hope to have as many teams as possible.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:01 pm

Field update (as of 10/12):

Evangel Classical Christian-1 team
Hewitt-Trussville- 2 teams (1 V, 1 JV)
Hoover- 2 teams
James Clemens- 2 teams
Spain Park- 2 teams
Vestavia Hills- 3 teams
West Point- 4 teams (2 V, 2 JV)

Anyone else planning on coming will need to have someone willing to moderate, and a buzzer set, as we are at capacity with the readers and buzzers we have available, and want to make sure we run a quality tournament. Also, please let me know if one (or more) of your teams is JV, so we can see about the possibility of awarding a JV champion.
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Post by quizbowllee » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:40 pm

I'd like to bring a 4th team if room can be made.

2 Varsity and 2 JV.

If we can't get a 4th team, then I'll have 2 varsity and 1 JV.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:28 pm

quizbowllee wrote:I'd like to bring a 4th team if room can be made.

2 Varsity and 2 JV.

If we can't get a 4th team, then I'll have 2 varsity and 1 JV.
If you do so, could you bring a buzzer set and be available to read if necessary? Spain Park is undecided on number of teams, so this may or may not be necessary). We hate to ask this, but as soon as we realized we only had 7 good readers available, we knew we had to cap the field rather than not have enough readers.

EDIT: Actually, just got confirmation that Spain Park is bringing two teams, so we will definitely need a reader if you bring a fourth..
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Post by Joshua Rutsky » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:29 pm

Chandler-

Hoover is interested in bringing a team if space permits. We can supply buzzers and a reader.

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Post by quizbowllee » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:18 pm

If Hoover is coming and bringing another moderator, will that open up our 4th team without a moderator? We can still bring some buzzers.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:54 pm

quizbowllee wrote:If Hoover is coming and bringing another moderator, will that open up our 4th team without a moderator? We can still bring some buzzers.
Yes, it will. Bringing buzzers would be great. Do either you or Mr. Rutsky have any advice on running a tournament with 17 teams?? I'm stumped other than just having one pool of 9 and one pool of 8.

Also, congrats to both of you for impressive finishes yesterday.
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Post by Joshua Rutsky » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:49 pm

I will try to get two teams together. This should be doable. In that case, you would be best served with three pools of six playing and then a playoff in the afternoon. Three pools of six means a total of nine rooms to staff. How many readers do you have at this point?

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Post by quizbowllee » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:49 pm

Looks like I may only have 3 teams after all. I'll know for sure tomorrow.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:15 pm

Joshua Rutsky wrote:I will try to get two teams together. This should be doable. In that case, you would be best served with three pools of six playing and then a playoff in the afternoon. Three pools of six means a total of nine rooms to staff. How many readers do you have at this point?

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We currently have 8 readers, including Hoover's reader. If West Point drops to three, I would prefer Hoover only bring one team and we would have two pools of eight. If West Point has four teams, feel free to bring a second and we could run two pools of 9 (since we wouldn't have enough readers for three pools of six).
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Post by quizbowllee » Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:08 am

I think we will only have 3 teams. Too many conflicts that my players wait to tell me about....
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Post by Joshua Rutsky » Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:51 am

Lee, let me know if you have any extra players lying around. I don't know exactly how many i have who plan to attend this, but maybe we can put together a joint spoiler team.
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Post by quizbowllee » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:56 am

Alright... Sorry to keep going back-and-forth, but I'm going to go ahead and bring 4 teams. One of them may only have 3 players, but that's better than those kids not getting to play just because one or two kids aren't coming. Plus, we've already got the check cut for 4 teams.
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Cool. We will bring two teams and at least one reader. We may have two available.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:45 pm

Joshua Rutsky wrote:Cool. We will bring two teams and at least one reader. We may have two available.
Please let me know if you will have one or two readers ASAP. If you have two, we will run three pools of six. If you have one, we will do two pools of nine. Thanks.

Also, if all coaches could submit rosters prior to the tournament date, that would be great.
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Personally, I'd say the more rounds, the better.
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Post by Joshua Rutsky » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:29 pm

I've got two readers if you need them. Both are coming. If you have three pools of six, then playoffs, that ought to be a pretty good day. Thanks for adding the space.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:40 pm

quizbowllee wrote:Personally, I'd say the more rounds, the better.
Agreed.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:45 pm

Joshua Rutsky wrote:I've got two readers if you need them. Both are coming. If you have three pools of six, then playoffs, that ought to be a pretty good day. Thanks for adding the space.
You're welcome. The field above should be pretty finalized, as the only other team I had a hunch may come confirmed today that they couldn't. Also, is there any way either you or Mr. Henry could offer some advice on pools? I know how good most of the teams coming are, but there are a few I know nothing about, have never played against, and have no stats from this year to look at. (Since WRK stats aren't up..)
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:36 am

This tournament has officially been PACE certified! The top 3 teams from this event will qualify for the PACE NSC in Chicago.
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cwest123 wrote: and have no stats from this year to look at. (Since WRK stats aren't up..)
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Post by quizbowllee » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:19 am

Chandler -

Here's the situation as I see it - You've got 4 really strong teams (Spain Park A, James Clemens A, Hoover A, and West Point A). You've also got at least one potential "upset" team that could beat any one of those four with the right packet (Vestavia A). Spain Park B and Hoover B are no pushovers, either. And, Germantown is sort of a wildcard that we know little about. So, ideally, I'd take those 8, and make sure that no pool has more than 2 of them in it. But, seeing as there are only 3 pools, that's impossible. So, then, I'd "seed" the rest as best as possible based on the information we have from SMART I and WRK.

When I applied the method (mostly alphabetical) that I use in making pools for our tournaments, this is how it worked out:

Pool A - West Point A, West Point D, Vestavia Hills C, Spain Park A, James Clemens B, Hewitt-Trussville A
Pool B - West Point B, Vestavia Hills A, Springville A, Spain Park B, Hoover A, Hewitt-Trussville B
Pool C - West Point C, Vestavia Hills B, Springville B, James Clemens A, Hoover B, Germantown

While the idea of playing Spain Park A in the prelims gives me an ulcer, these pools actually look fairly good without having to tamper with them. But, this is just a suggestion based on how I do things. This is, of course, your tournament and you can do it however you want.

I would like to know what your thoughts are in regards to playoffs. Will they be single-elimination or re-bracketed? Ideally, I'd like to do a re-bracket with the top 6, but that would mean 10 rounds of play. I'm not sure how long you intend this tournament to be.
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Chandler - I've PMed a bracket to you.

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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:41 am

Thank you both for the advice. We now are down to 16 teams, so 2 brackets of 8. I will make sure the four teams Mr. Henry mentioned above are equally split. In regards to playoffs, I am also a fan of rebracketing, but I hate the idea of having a four team playoff when there are four very elite teams present, and I don't think any of the teams would be up for playing all 14 rounds. That being said, it is likely we will do an 8 team single-elimination playoff. If there is enough interest, we could make the final round a best of three. Opinions on this?

EDIT: I completely read wrong and thought you said "rebracket top four." I like the idea of rebracketing the top six much better, but I will still have to ask my coach and gather opinions on that format, as that would be 12 rounds..
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Post by quizbowllee » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:11 am

I looked at what Rutsky sent. It looks good. The only thing to consider is that West Point C is going to be exponentially stronger than WP B and WP D.

Of course, I could switch the rosters myself to level that field.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:33 am

quizbowllee wrote:I looked at what Rutsky sent. It looks good. The only thing to consider is that West Point C is going to be exponentially stronger than WP B and WP D.

Of course, I could switch the rosters myself to level that field.
I'll label them as "JV A" and "JV B" and assume that Varsity A>JV A> Varsity B> JV B.
Is this safe to assume?
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That's pretty accurate.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:11 am

Coaches, if I have not already contacted you, please be at Good Hope between 8:00 and 8:30 on Saturday. We hope to start playing by 9:00. Also, we will have lunch on site so bring $5 for that too.
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Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:10 pm

Quick results:
1st- Spain Park A
2nd- Hoover A
3rd- West Point A
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Re: Good Hope Invitational Tournament (Cullman, AL)-10/17/15

Post by 1.82 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:47 pm

A private discussion forum has been created for the Maryland Fall set. If you have played or read the tournament, please request to join the usergroup and gain access to the board by going to your User Control Panel, clicking on "Usergroups" (or clicking this link), and selecting "2015 Maryland Fall discussion". We look forward to your feedback.
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Re: Good Hope Invitational Tournament (Cullman, AL)-10/17/15

Post by 100% Clean Comedian Dan Nainan » Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:03 pm

Stats for pool play are now up. For the record, West Point A won pool A due to head to head, but the stat report won't show that.

http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... standings/
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Good Hope High School (Cullman, AL) 2012-16

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