2nd Brindlee Mountain High School Invitational - Dec. 3

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2nd Brindlee Mountain High School Invitational - Dec. 3

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Teams are invited to participate in the 2nd Annual Brindlee Mountain High School Invitational Quiz Bowl Tournament to be held at Brindlee Mountain High School in Guntersville, AL on Dec. 3, 2005.

This tournament will serve as both a PACE and NAQT National Qualifier.

We will be utilizing NAQT Invitational Series #54 for this event.

Entry fee will be $75 per team with the following discounts:

- $5 for a working buzzer system (one discount per team)
- $5 for each additional team per school

Eligibility is open to all 9th-12th grade students from the same high school. If there is sufficient interest, we may run a separate JV division. Please let me know if you are interested in bringing a JV team.

If interested in further information or to register, please e-mail me ASAP at [email protected]

I hope to see many of you in Guntersville in December.
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Here are the teams that I know are coming so far:

Brindlee Mountain A
Brindlee Mountain B
Buckhorn
Indian Springs
Covenant Christian
Cherokee A
Cherokee B
Mountain Brook A
Mountain Brook B
Sand Rock
Austin
Walton (Ga)

Please e-mail me at [email protected] if you are interested. At this point, I think we can accomodate many more teams. That being said, though, I feel we'll be VERY low on readers - so if anyone is willing to volunteer, please let me know. Also, I'll consider giving discounts to teams that can bring moderators.

Also, please let me know who is bringing JV teams.

-Lee
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Here is the official invitation to our tournament in case anyone didn't get one:

Dear Coaches,

I am excited to invite you and your teams to the 2nd Annual Brindlee Mountain High School Invitational Quiz Bowl Tournament. The competition will be held on Saturday, December 3, 2005.

Not only will this event be a great opportunity to compete, but it will also serve as both a PACE (Partnership for Academic Competition Excellence) and an NAQT National Qualifier. The top four teams at our tournament will qualify for the PACE National Championship Tournament this June in Durham, NC! Also, the top 15% will qualify for the NAQT High School National Championship Tournament in Chicago. We at Brindlee Mountain High School are proud to be able to offer this opportunity to the Scholar’s Bowl Teams of Alabama.

We may also have a JV division if there is enough interest. Please let me know how many would be interested in bringing a JV (10th grade and below) team.

Questions will be provided by NAQT (IS-54). Please do not attend if you have already played on this set!

Registration for the tournament will be $75. You may subtract $5 for a WORKING buzzer system. If you plan to attend, please e-mail me at [email protected] immediately so I may begin to get an idea of the numbers of readers we will need.

School Name: ______________________________________________

School Address: __________________________________________________________

School Phone: ___________________________ School Fax: ___________________

Coach(es): ____________________________ Coach’s email: ____________________

Number of teams entered: ________________________

Number of Buzzers you will bring: _______________________________

Make checks out to: Brindlee Mountain Scholar’s Bowl
c/o Lee Henry
994 Scant City Rd.
Guntersville, AL 35976

You may fax registration to: 256-753-2802

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me:
Lee Henry: [email protected] ; School: 256-753-2800

Thank you, and we hope to see you on December 3!
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Here is the field so far:

Altamont
Sandrock
Buckhorn
Covenant Christian
Cherokee A
Cherokee B
Brindlee Mountain A
Brindlee Mountain B
Austin A
Austin B
LAMP
Indian Springs
Mountain Brook A
Mountain Brook B
Walton (Ga)
East Webster (MS)

Also, I have heard from these teams and am awaiting confirmation:

Arab


If you are one of the teams that I am awaiting confirmation from, please let me know ASAP if you are coming!!! I've tried e-mailing all of you several times.

Also, I am in desperate need of readers. If there is anyone out there willing to come read at our tournament, please e-mail me at [email protected].

Thanks.
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Would you take team chaperones as readers?
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I'll be sending information (including directions) to all coaches tomorrow. As of right now, we have a confirmed field of 16 teams. I'm still waiting to hear from one. I'm looking at doing two pools of 8, followed by an 8-team double-elimination playoff.

I think we're going to be okay on readers. I'm waiting for a few of my regular moderators to let me know, but right now it looks like we're solid.

If anyone wants to register, e-mail me IMMEDIATELY at [email protected]. I will be closing registration Tuesday.
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Cool. Sounds good to me. Certainly ready to compete.
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New field for tournament Saturday:

Altamont
Sandrock A
Sandrock B
Buckhorn
Covenant Christian
Cherokee A
Cherokee B
Brindlee Mountain A
Brindlee Mountain B
Austin A
Austin B
LAMP
Guntersville
Bryant High School
Indian Springs
Mountain Brook A
Mountain Brook B
Walton (Ga)


We will have 3 pools of 6, followed by an 8 team double-elimination playoff.
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See ya Saturday. Can't wait to get up there. No one on our team has ever experienced an NAQT round before. (except our coach) Should be exciting. Then again, its a bit discouraging because we haven't really prepared for it at all. I didn't read the part saying it was NAQT till halfway through practice. Hopefully we can fill out both teams. It might be hard though. We are missing well over half our team to debate tourneys and the State Trumbauer competition. But we will have our top 2 and atleast 4 of our top 8.
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I am really looking forward to seeing some of you guys play on Saturday
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Going to be some good teams there, thats for sure.
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AND??

Who won?
I hope BMHS did :grin:

Also, why did Arab not come to the tourney?
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Real quick results from an exhausted tournament director/coach:

1st - Walton
2nd - Covenant Christian
3rd - Brindlee Mountain
4th - Indian Springs



Walton lost two matches throughout the tournament. They lost to Covenant Christian in the prelims and to Brindlee Mountain in the double-elimination play-offs. Brindlee Mountain then lost to Covenant Christian by 10 points. Walton then defeated Brindlee Mountain in the rematch, winning the "Loser's Bracket," and earning the right to play Covenant Christian in the championship. In order to win, Walton would have to beat the previously unbeaten Covenant Christian team twice. The first match was extremely close, but Walton squeaked by, resulting in the need for another match. This time Walton won by a landslide, clenching the championship.
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Guess I should have stayed a bit longer.. sounds like it got really interesting after I left
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So did BMHS qualify for NAQT?
Was it in the top 15%?
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Post by No Sollositing On Premise »

Finishing third in a field of eighteen puts you in the top 16.7%, so either you barely qualified or barely failed to qualify - it's NAQT's judgement, but I assume you made it.
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Yes, BMHS did qualify to go to NAQT Nationals in Chicago.
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Congrats to all the winners. The overall results aren't really surprising, although Walton's come-from-behind win was pretty interesting. Walton also proved my point about everyone being beatable very well. Too bad I couldn't get to know how ASFA would have fit into that ranking. Lee, once you've recovered, can you post the important tournament stats?
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I will post stats soon, but first I wanted to give a HUGE thanks to everyone who helped out - especially those individuals who travelled a long way to serve as moderators/officials.

An ultra-huge thanks to Matt Dennis, who ran stats for us. He came from Scottsboro and kept excellent up-to-date stats for the whole tournament. We almost always had stats up by the end of the next round. We really appreciate his hard work throughout the day!

Moderators: I had one of the best moderating staffs I can remember. Many of these people have no association with Brindlee Mountain at all and volunteered out of the goodness of their hearts:

Steven Scoggan (formerly of LAMP High School)
Glenn Bobo (coach at Bevill-Jasper CC)
Adam Pinson (former Bevill player and recent Jeopardy College Runner Up)
Taylor Hyatt (former Snead St. CC player)
Kivin Childers (former Snead St. CC and Athens St. U. player)
Andrew James (current Athens St. U. player)
Corey Rosenbloom (recruiter from UAH)
Myles Teston (former BMHS player)

Scorekeepers:
Brian Knowles
Gary Hardin
Trish Knowles
Various coaches, etc.

Also a huge thanks to all of the Brindlee Mountain parents - led by Mrs. Cora Hardin - who volunteered to work on feeding all of these people. We had a huge feast of pizza, BBQ, various cakes, cookies, etc. in the tournament headquarters for staff and coaches. Also, lunch went by without a hitch. We couldn't make it without these people.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't thank the good folks at NAQT for an excellent question set. It's great knowing that we are going to have great questions and that I don't have to proofread or edit in any way. I highly suggest anyone needing questions go directly to NAQT. They are by far the best.

Also, thanks to all of the teams who came and competed. I hope everyone had a good time and will be back next year.
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Here are the top 20 individual stats from the prelims on Saturday. Stats were not held in the play-offs.:

NAME TEAM PPG
Bobby Gibbs Walton 90.71
Patrick Harris Austin A 76.43
Carter Pelham Covenant Chris 75.71
Matthew Hitt Covenant Chris 60.71
Andy Knowles Brindlee Mountain A 57.14
Chase Ward Sand Rock A 52.86
Zack Martin Indian Springs 46.43
David Zhai LAMP 45.00
Thomas Wall Buckhorn 42.86
Jenna Caldwell Indian Springs 39.29
Katrina Windon LAMP 36.43
Matthew Coghill Mountain Brook 33.57
Kyle Clark Brindlee Mountain B 32.86
Anna Stalker Altamont 32.14
Phillip Forrester Guntersville 31.43
Mark Morris Brindlee Mountain A 30.71
Nicholas Lepley Mountain Brook 30.00
Amanda Perstein Mountain Brook 30.00
Amanda Hardin Brindlee Mountain 25.00
Parker White LAMP 24.29
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Here are the team standings after the prelims:

Team W L T Pct PPG PAPG Mrg 15 10 -5 TUH PPTH P/N BH BPts P/B
Covenant Chris 7 0 0 1.000 425.7 73.6 352.1 30 69 16 140 21.29 1.88 99 1920 19.39
Walton 6 1 0 0.857 422.1 113.6 308.6 25 68 20 140 21.11 1.25 93 2000 21.51
Brindlee Mount 6 1 0 0.857 315.7 129.3 186.4 20 64 15 140 15.79 1.33 84 1345 16.01
LAMP 6 1 0 0.857 308.6 127.1 181.4 15 67 12 140 15.43 1.25 82 1325 16.16
Indian Springs 6 1 0 0.857 292.9 150.7 142.1 18 62 14 120 17.08 1.29 80 1230 15.38
Austin A 5 2 0 0.714 237.9 170.7 67.1 11 51 8 140 11.89 1.38 62 1030 16.61
Buckhorn 4 3 0 0.571 245.7 187.9 57.9 10 57 18 140 12.29 0.56 67 1090 16.27
Mountain Brook 4 3 0 0.571 220.0 157.1 62.9 11 48 25 120 12.83 0.44 59 1020 17.29
Brindlee Mount 3 4 0 0.429 121.4 220.0 -98.6 2 45 19 140 6.07 0.11 47 465 9.89
Altamont 2 5 0 0.286 127.1 262.9 -135.7 5 30 4 140 6.36 1.25 35 535 15.29
Sand Rock A 2 5 0 0.286 122.9 180.7 -57.9 2 46 11 140 6.14 0.18 48 425 8.85
Guntersville 2 5 0 0.286 88.6 252.1 -163.6 0 28 5 140 4.43 0.00 28 365 13.04
Cherokee 2 5 0 0.286 75.0 210.0 -135.0 9 22 10 140 3.75 0.90 31 220 7.10
Sand Rock B 1 6 0 0.143 28.6 306.4 -277.9 1 12 3 140 1.43 0.33 13 80 6.15
Brindlee Mount 0 7 0 0.000 41.4 257.9 -216.4 0 21 3 140 2.07 0.00 21 95 4.52
Austin B 0 7 0 0.000 18.6 292.1 -273.6 0 12 11 140 0.93 0.00 12 65 5.42
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quizbowllee wrote:Here are the team standings after the prelims:

Team W L T Pct PPG PAPG Mrg 15 10 -5 TUH PPTH P/N BH BPts P/B
Covenant Chris 7 0 0 1.000 425.7 73.6 352.1 30 69 16 140 21.29 1.88 99 1920 19.39
Walton 6 1 0 0.857 422.1 113.6 308.6 25 68 20 140 21.11 1.25 93 2000 21.51
Brindlee Mount 6 1 0 0.857 315.7 129.3 186.4 20 64 15 140 15.79 1.33 84 1345 16.01
LAMP 6 1 0 0.857 308.6 127.1 181.4 15 67 12 140 15.43 1.25 82 1325 16.16
Indian Springs 6 1 0 0.857 292.9 150.7 142.1 18 62 14 120 17.08 1.29 80 1230 15.38
Austin A 5 2 0 0.714 237.9 170.7 67.1 11 51 8 140 11.89 1.38 62 1030 16.61
Buckhorn 4 3 0 0.571 245.7 187.9 57.9 10 57 18 140 12.29 0.56 67 1090 16.27
Mountain Brook 4 3 0 0.571 220.0 157.1 62.9 11 48 25 120 12.83 0.44 59 1020 17.29
Brindlee Mount 3 4 0 0.429 121.4 220.0 -98.6 2 45 19 140 6.07 0.11 47 465 9.89
Altamont 2 5 0 0.286 127.1 262.9 -135.7 5 30 4 140 6.36 1.25 35 535 15.29
Sand Rock A 2 5 0 0.286 122.9 180.7 -57.9 2 46 11 140 6.14 0.18 48 425 8.85
Guntersville 2 5 0 0.286 88.6 252.1 -163.6 0 28 5 140 4.43 0.00 28 365 13.04
Cherokee 2 5 0 0.286 75.0 210.0 -135.0 9 22 10 140 3.75 0.90 31 220 7.10
Sand Rock B 1 6 0 0.143 28.6 306.4 -277.9 1 12 3 140 1.43 0.33 13 80 6.15
Brindlee Mount 0 7 0 0.000 41.4 257.9 -216.4 0 21 3 140 2.07 0.00 21 95 4.52
Austin B 0 7 0 0.000 18.6 292.1 -273.6 0 12 11 140 0.93 0.00 12 65 5.42
Out of curiosity, is that Cherokee County or Cherokee?
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I believe it was Cherokee County but I will let Lee confirm that for sure

Lee, I really think you had a great tournament.. I was a great time and I really like coming to work at your tournaments.
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Could someone please help me get in touch with the organizer of the ASFA tournament?

I have e-mailed Donald Chatman at the address from the February Tournaments thread, but have yet to receive a reply in two weeks.

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I'm captain of the team, so I can talk to him tomorrow about it. What's your name and team's name?
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Golden Tiger 86 wrote:
Out of curiosity, is that Cherokee County or Cherokee?
That was Cherokee High School of Colbert County. It was NOT Cherokee County.
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quizbowllee wrote:
Golden Tiger 86 wrote:
Out of curiosity, is that Cherokee County or Cherokee?
That was Cherokee High School of Colbert County. It was NOT Cherokee County.
Ahh...so folks from my neck of the woods. Glad to see someone other than Russellville (who is probably just going to do JV this year) from the Shoals is at least attempting to do decent scholars bowl.
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DVader wrote:I'm captain of the team, so I can talk to him tomorrow about it. What's your name and team's name?
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quizbowllee wrote:
Golden Tiger 86 wrote:
Out of curiosity, is that Cherokee County or Cherokee?
That was Cherokee High School of Colbert County. It was NOT Cherokee County.
Okay misspoke again.. :oops:
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Not a bad tourney but I can't say I could agree at all with a number of oddities regarding how the tourney was run. Primarily the favoritism displayed to the Brindlee Mountain team. A few other smaller things too, but that was the primary problem. (others teams I talked too said they experienced similar problems.) Other than that, fine tournament. Just too damn cold and wet for us to get a good footblal game going outside. (I got my shoes and pants soaked so took them off)



the shoes not the pants...just rolled them up.
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Hobodog wrote: Primarily the favoritism displayed to the Brindlee Mountain team.
Just wondering was going on for this comment
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Yeah, I'd like to hear this, too...
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Something stupid that still matter but for the sake of the subject of the post, deleted. (though its probably does more for me than him, nonetheless unless he ask me to reedit this and replace the text I will leave it like this)
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The blatant favoritism displayed by the fact that you successfully protested a question's answer sure is revolting!

If that little anecdote was your main reason you suspected favoritism towards Brindlee Mountain I'd love to hear the other reasons you alluded to at the end of your first paragraph.
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OK - First off, don't discuss specific questions (that's a forum rule here).

Secondly, here's why I was keeping score that round:

As you may recall, it was round 2. Taylor Hyatt, the moderator in that particular room, was the last one done with round 1. He had originally said that he did not need a scorekeeper, that he could handle it himself. When I went to see why he was the last finished, he told me that there was a problem with the scorekeeping and that he really DID need a scorekeeper. All of the other rooms had already started round 2, so I told him that I would keep score that round and find him a permanent scorekeeper starting with round 3. At that point, I didn't even realize that Brindlee Mountain would be one of the teams in that room at that time. My only alternative would have been to go interrupt another match, retrieve a scorekeeper, and delay the tournament several more minutes. I didn't think twice about keeping score, though, because the scorekeeper has no real power. They keep the score.

Now, on the question you mentioned, when the moderator glanced at me about whether to accept the answer, my gut instinct was "yes." I anticipated that the only underlined part of the answer was the first word (which I'm leaving out here because of the policy of discussing NAQT questions before July). Once you protested and I looked at the question, I realized that you were, in fact, correct, and that BOTH words were underlined. That is why I did not argue further. I would have done the exact same thing had ANY teams been playing. You won that protest, I concede that you were right, yet you still feel inclined to use that as an example - in a public forum - to accuse me of dishonesty.

I don't appreciate being accused (especially by a student) of any kind of wrongdoing. I took (and will always take) great pains to insure that my tournaments are run fairly. In fact, I didn't even see the questions myself until the day of the tournament (OK - in all honesty, I did see the answer to tossup #1 of the first round when I put them into the Xerox machine).

I'll reiterate that the ONLY moderator at the tournament with any affiliation with Brindlee Mountain AT ALL was Myles Teston, who was a senior on my team last year. If you noticed, I made sure that he was reading in the other pool.

Also, I would like to point out - and any moderators on this board can confirm this - any time there was a protest involving my team, I told the moderator that he was in charge and that, being that I was wearing the hats of both tournament director and coach, I would prefer to stay out of any protests due to the conflict of interest. This cost us the match to CCA, who protested an answer that I KNOW I could have gotten the moderator to accept. However, I chose to stay out of it and we lost by 10. You're right, that was unfair - to Brindlee Mountain.

Now, to drive the point home, I have actually served as a moderator for my own team at several tournaments. Sometimes my team loses, even when I'm reading. If anything, I'm actually harder on my team than most other moderators. If I'm unfair at all, it's that I expect them to get things right and am too hard on them.

As for playing in our own tournament, I know it sometimes looks bad whrn a team performs well at their own event. However, it's not like Brindlee Mountain stinks it up everywhere and then suddenly excels on their own turf. I think we're pretty consistent in our performances. If I had decided to cheat, I do believe we would have won. We certainly would NOT have lost to our biggest rivals, CCA, by 10 points. And even more so, we would NOT have lost the do-or-die match to Walton 570-135. BTW, I kept score during those matches, too....

You're absolutely right in that they only reason I allow my teams to play in our own tournaments is because I don't feel that they should be denied the opportunities to qualify for nationals. When teams in Alabama start hosting more NAQT events instead of ASCA-format tournaments full of hoses and assinine questions, then perhaps I will host an event that my teams will not compete in. Until then, anyone who thinks that Brindlee Mountain plays favorites or is dishonest in any way certainly does not have to come back.

At any rate, I 'm sorry that you felt short changed in any way. What particularly irks me, though, is the "hearsay" that you mention. I hope that this came from students and not from coaches. I would have a serious problem with any coach who would accuse me of wrongdoing behind my back and who didn't have the guts to say something about it to my face. Anyone who knows me and has worked with me knows how much this game means to me. They also know that I would never do anything dishonest. The idea of dishonesty in this game disgusts me.

If anyone would like to discuss this further, feel free to reply here. If you'd like to discuss it more privately, my e-mail is [email protected]. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have regarding how I run things at Brindlee Mountain or about my ethical standing in general.
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Ok, I should preface this by saying that I know nothing about your region (in more than just a quizbowl sense). So maybe things are different in Alabama. But what are you talking about?
There were a few different problems but my big issue was our match against Brindlee Mountain. It was in a room we were in two other times. Each of those times we had the same reader and the same scorekeeper. Yet when we played Brindlee Mountain A we got a sub in scorekeeper. I'm pretty sure that was you Lee? Right? Well that alone irritated me quite a bit.
I'm not sure why that would irritate you. Unless of course you anticipated an act of sabotage from Lee. Considering his team was running the tournament, it seems fairly likely someone associated with Brindlee Mountain would be reading/keeping score for you at some point during the day. If this constituted a "big issue" for you, you shouldn't have come. Don't get me wrong, I'd absolutely understand not wanting to go to a tournament where the host school participated. But I also assume that it's not easy to find too many good pyramidal tournaments in Alabama, and Lee is doing his best to make that opportunity available to his own team as well as the entire state. I assume that's why your team participated. If you're going to go to the tournament and accept that the team that's hosting is a team you'll likely at some point have to play, then you really can't complain about that happening. Did it occur to you that maybe Lee, as the head coach, considered himself a better, more accurate scorekeeper? It seems like you're implying some sort of underhandedness, and to me, nothing about that situation suggests that at all.
Then our scorekeeper says "Accept it." I protested saying that this wasn't a difference in forms of a verb (i.e. tenses or even gerun form, etc.) this was a completely different noun that happened to share the same suffix. (thus was related, but just as related as a suffix is to a prefix.) The reader, without hesitating, said he didn't think he could accept that. The scorekeeper relented (during this whole thing neither Andy nor anyone on his team made a sound in support or in protest of either position.). Then, as is customary we got a replacement question, which I promptly got.
First of all, you seem considerably outraged considering *nothing actually happened.* Your team got a replacement tossup, as you should have, and as you so humbly put, you "promptly got it." So keep in mind, when you throw around words like "disgust," that you suffered no consequences, at all, for what happened. In case that was too subtle: You need to chill.

I agree with you that the answer given was very, very wrong. Lee suggested that the reader accept it. The reader, who is the one in charge of making that ruling, made the correct one. Lee did not press the point, so it's not like he was "relenting" anything. While his call was incorrect, he did not put himself in a position to make the decision, so it doesn't really matter. You're complaining about nothing. Not only did nothing happen, nothing really could have happened unless the reader was a moron (which is independent of any alleged wrongdoing on Lee's part), or unless Lee was the one making the call (which he very clearly was not).

You may not have outright accused Lee of doing anything wrong personally, but you certainly implied it. To refer to what happened (in case you missed it, still nothing) as something that would disgust you is ridiculous. While I personally don't feel that being a student removes anyone's right to challenge coaches/other adults (a fact I wish a few more coaches would consider), you seem to lack either the experience or maturity to respond to this in an appropriate way. If you had such a strong specific issue with the tournament or Lee personally, he's absolutely right, you should have said something then, to him, in person. But really, I don't understand why you would've said anything at all. I suggest reading Lee's post above and reconsidering how "disgusted" this really should have made you.

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Okay I am not going to pile on but if you had a problem with it, why didn't you come talk to Lee during the lunch break or at the end of the day. Like has been said before, Lee is trying to get some good tournaments going in Alabama and I have known him personally for several years and the man would sooner fall on a grenade than cheat.. it just isn't his style...
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Post by AndyShootsAndyScores »

I don't remember the question answer, but I know that I did give a wrong suffix/prefix and I remember the protest. Lee certainly did not pressure the moderator to accept it. In fact, everytime a protest came up against us, he did not even say anything except "I'm running this tournament, so I'm staying out of this". You did get the replacement tossup and I think you got 20+ points on it (I am probably mistaken on the amount of bonus points received). Lee's been coaching me for over 5 years now, and he has never cheated in any manner.

However, I'm not going to beat this dead horse any longer.

-Andy

P.S.: Thank you for the compliment on my playing. You are a very fine player as well. Also, The Used rule!
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no text (as has been pointed out, it was my mistake to point this out here, I apologize too Lee for impinging his credibility (though I did far more harm to my own than to his, its useless for me to deny that that was the purpose of the post, because it was.)

Now for lee, I'm sorry for bring this here. My email is hobodog345atAOL.COM if you wish to finish this there.




Dumbjaques. Now, personally, who are you to attack me personally in that manner? Now I understand your responding to me as if I were attacking a well respected member of the community, because I am. (once again attacking is heavier than what I really mean). Yes I should have taken this up personally with him. Was it immature on my part to bring this issue up on this forum, yes, does it substantially hurt my credibility, yes. But does warrant a comparable attack on myself? I guess, what goes around comes around, but it would be hypocritical.

As far as this topic. I wishi this part of the discussion closed. I started it maybe I can end it here, though now its obviously more about me saving face than me being the "big boy" in the incident.

edit: I just saw you included an email...I won't delete anything I posted though, no reaso to.
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Hobodog wrote:...Dumbjaques. Now, personally, who are you to attack me personally in that manner? Now I understand your responding to me as if I were attacking a well respected member of the community, because I am. (once again attacking is heavier than what I really mean). Yes I should have taken this up personally with him. Was it immature on my part to bring this issue up on this forum, yes, does it substantially hurt my credibility, yes. But does warrant a comparable attack on myself? I guess, what goes around comes around, but it would be hypocritical.
What exactly in that post constitutes an "attack?" It seems to me like he has a perfectly respectful and cogent discussion of your actions and claims which doesn't even purport to say anything about you personally.
Also, on the subject of hypocracy, you essentially accused another program of cheating, but refuse to categorize this as an "attack" on them. How, then, can you supportably call what DumbJaques said about your actions and claims an attack? I, for one, completely agree with him.

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EDIT: On second thought, I don't care anymore.

The young man from Mountain Brook has e-mailed me and apologized. We have agreed that there are no hard feelings and we will meet next time on amicable terms. No harm, no foul.

That being over, if anyone has any other comments about the tournament, that's fine. Otherwise, let's let this dead horse rot.

Thanks.
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