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NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:56 pm
by A_Failure
Given that many other regions (including NE, which inspired this one) have discussion threads up already, I felt I should create one as well. Does anyone have any predictions/analysis for next year? I may try to write something up about NJ teams later.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:19 pm
by connor.mayers
After a great season for PA quiz bowl, it sadly graduated A LOT of talent. Not only are superstars like Alex and Vishwa, but a ton of super good players behind them graduate as well. Most of the players in PA’s top 10 are graduating, but some teams keep some scoring and others have good programs to build with.

The clear favorite for next year is Allderdice, who graduate only one player from a fantastic squad who made a surprise run to T-12 at HSNCT. I personally met Jakobi and Austin at NASAT and can attest that they are super good players and very motivated for the next coming season.

State College seem like a good number 2 pick, as they retain a good portion of last year’s A team, as well have a great B team, led by Albert, who led them to a great finish at HSNCT last year.

Henderson graduate Aravind, who ended up becoming a ton of their scoring last year, but they also retain Vijay, who is a killer NAQT player. If he really commits to studying and building up a team around him Henderson can do quite well next year.

Although we (Penn Manor) weren’t ranked last year, I have a feeling that we will pretty high up on the preseason rankings in PA just because we maintain almost all of our scoring from last year. Our performance hinges A LOT upon how much studying we actually get done, and teams below us could certainly move above us.

Downingtown STEM lose Vishwa of course, but Anish stays another year and is joined by lit specialist and rising sophomore Max. Anish is an amazing specialist and with enough help around him STEM could be a great team again next year.

Next are the “I don’t know how to rank teams but they will probably be pretty good next season.” Most of these are teams that graduate almost all their scoring but had good B teams last year and have sustainable programs that can help rebuild.
-Manheim Township (retain Will)
-Great Valley (graduate all of A)
-Friends Select (retain Rudyard)

Lastly, quick shout out to Hempfield. They snuck into Morland rankings at the end of the season having only played a couple of tournaments and not attending nationals. They keep almost all their scoring from last year and are led by solid generalist Will, who put in a decent performance at NASAT and is very motivated to getting Hempfield good for next season

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pm
by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War
It seems like once again, our region has lost a huge number of great players. Just off the top of my head, the region graduated Doug of High Tech, Vishwa of Downingtown STEM, Alex of Lehigh Valley, the entire A team besides me + half of the B team from Hunter, St. Joseph's top scorers, Max Shatan of Bard, and plenty more.

Based on the huge talent loss, the region seems pretty open for any team to take over, so my predictions might be way off, especially since I didn't play much last season and am largely basing this off of History Bowl/a few tournaments of stats/2 years ago for many players. That being said, here are my predictions for the top 10. Tiers don't necessarily correspond with any particular finish, and again, my rankings are quite rough.

EDIT: I should probably mention that I ranked teams that I saw as more inconsistent as lower for that reason, but that they could easily finish far above their ranking for that same reason (going on fire in a few crucial games).

First Tier:
1. Hunter
A bit of a surprise, no doubt! I will explain my lofty expectations for my own team below. Two quick caveats: This is only relevant for HSNCT finish. I expect that at least High Tech will surpass us in the regular season and in PACE, if not more of the teams I ranked below.

I am still playing, and I was top scorer for all the tournaments I played last year. Given the shadow effect of my amazing teammates from Hunter A this year, I didn't get nearly as many points as I could have, but for a full idea of how I will play in their absence, see Hunter B stats from the 2016-7 season. I have at my side fellow senior Brian Lu, at least a top 25 history player in the country, who will certainly get geography and CE on NAQT as well, as well as an assortment of younger players with various specializations.

Hunter B from 2 years ago went t-25 at HSNCT and 35th at PACE with a lineup relatively similar to the ones we will field this coming year; a few upper-termers may be replaced, but in general, the team will operate in the same way. Since we are all 2 years older, I think we can break top 8 at HSNCT and around 20th at PACE. Note that this does not translate necessarily into regular season success: Hunter B of 2 years ago regularly failed to qualify for HSNCT and was ranked 121st by Morlan. Realistically speaking, this year, I am expecting that we drop out of top 50 in Morlan rankings and win at most 2 tournaments over the season. The team will be optimized for top nationals performances (realistically, mostly for HSNCT, towards which Brian and I lean heavily), not for regular season statistics or finishes. My specific methods for doing this may vary if my initial attempts fail, but given my unique set of players (2 top JV history players and 2 top varsity history players, for example), I will be trying unique solutions.

2. High Tech
Retains Michael, Darren, and Steven, who cover a very large amount of the distribution together and will only be improving even more. The loss of Doug, their history player and top scorer, will certainly hurt, but as the previously mentioned players are quite good at history in their own right, with the addition of Cole, Deepak, or anyone else from their seemingly inexhaustible supply of good history players, this loss should be largely recoverable. They went t-20 and 20th at the two nationals last year and will likely get there again or even further. I expect them to easily defeat us in regular season matchups due to their players' deep coverage.

Second Tier:
3. Allderdice
I realize that they aren't really in the region (since they are in Western Pennsylvania and largely don't play with the rest of us), but from my experiences with their players in History Bowl, it seems like, while they have lost their top scorer, they didn't seem to lose anyone else from their A team, which is quite good top to bottom. Maybe they will drop from t-12 last year to t-20 this year due to the loss, but probably not much more.

4. Wilmington Charter
Achieved 37th at PACE and t-51 at HSNCT while losing nobody. I would believe that with a year of improvement, they could achieve t-20 this year. I honestly know very little about this team, so I could be very off, but from playing them, it seems like they have huge upsides.

5. Ithaca
Achieved 28th at PACE and t-51 at HSNCT (without Vaynu) while losing nobody. I would believe that with a year of improvement, they could achieve t-20 this year. I honestly know very little about this team, so I could be very off.

6. Troy
Alex Pyle is really, really good. I'm not sure if they will manage to get him more consistent help, but if so, Troy could easily upset some top teams. They went t-77, but I think they could go 1 or two rounds further this year at HSNCT.

7. Great Neck South
This team honestly puzzles me. They went t-77 at HSNCT, yet are consistently a top 20 History Bowl team if not better and seem to have lit/arts/science coverage given their players. Having played many rounds with Andersen and Daniel last week, I can confirm that they will only get better at history, and they don't seem to graduate anybody on their A team. But given previous puzzling inconsistencies, I can't really rank them higher. I predict t-51, but anything up to t-12 is possible.

Third Tier:
8. Millburn
Dean is amazing at history. But based on general results, I'm not sure if the team's overall coverage is good enough. They are certainly able to defeat any team at any time, but I don't think they will be consistent enough to go very far. I would say t-51 as an improvement from t-77, but again, given inconsistency, this could easily go up to, say t-20.

9. State College
Deep, so graduation won't hurt them too much. See the B team's upset over the A team at HSNCT by getting t-51. They could easily pull that off again if not better with another year of practice. I have no firsthand experience with this team, however, so I might be off.

10. Darien
Darien loses Julia, but I have enough general faith in their program (and in John Phipps' ability) to think that her loss will be compensated for somehow. I do realize this seems harsh for a team that went t-20 last year, but the 57th place finish at PACE despite Julia's excellent play shows an inconsistency, and John in particular can defeat most teams but also can have really off games (see when Hunter got >16 consecutive tossups against John playing solo at Lower Hudson History Bowl on the C set, which normally shouldn't happen due to C sets having lots of buzzer races). I think t-51 is reasonable, although they could also get up to t-20, as I said with Millburn.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:04 pm
by Habitat_Against_Humanity
Don't really know of any doings up around the Syracuse/Central/Upstate NY area, but if there's a tournament within say an hour's drive, I'm willing to help out. Just thought I'd drop that here.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:24 pm
by NateRybner
Hey, does anyone wanna make a poll of who they think will be the best regional team in the region? Similar in concept to last year's one, I propose.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:38 pm
by A_Failure
So here are my (long overdue) predictions for NJ for the upcoming year. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the rest of the circuit to be able to accurately discuss it, otherwise I definitely would have. Without further ado, here are my predictions for the top 5 in NJ:

1. High Tech - The clear favorites in the state. Between Michael, Stephen, Darren, and whichever history player they add, they will have most, if not all, of the distribution locked down. If they keep improving, they might be able to make a deep run at both nationals.

2. East Brunswick - They made a t-20 run at HSNCT last year, and retain their lead scorer Rishi, who from my experience is solid in both history and lit. While they graduate the rest of their A team, they've sent up to 5 teams to tournaments before, so they should have the depth to replace them. I believe that as of right now, they hold a slight edge over us for 2nd in NJ.

3. Millburn - I could talk about my own team for hours, but will try to keep it concise. We lose Andy, our science player and Teddy, our NAQT specialist, leaving us with some major holes in those categories. If we can fill those holes, we'll be fine. If we can't, we'll be super inconsistent.

4. Middlesex County Academy - Middlesex was a solid 5-5 team at HSNCT, and retain the majority of their scoring. Jatin is a good history player, and the team generally seems solid on science. With improvement, they could be a force to be reckoned within the state.

5. Livingston - Livingston did not attend either national last year, but that does not mean they weren't good enough to. From my experience playing them, Jon and Carolyn both appear to be competent generalists, and Rosa is a solid lit player. They need to deepen their knowledge in order to bring their game to the next level, but if they do that, watch out.

Other teams that I would watch out for this year include Ranney, Pingry, and JP Stevens, all of whom have a solid generalist at their cores and could become dangerous if they a) up their game or b) get solid support. Other than that, I feel that the thing that would change these rankings the most is some freshmen or a new school, which we obviously will have to wait to see. I am excited to see how things will play out in the upcoming season.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:44 pm
by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War
[EDIT: Apparently, it seems that one has to make the poll with the first post of the thread or else it won't be allowed. Hopefully this is not true; someone else hopefully knows how to do it?]

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:35 pm
by NateRybner
If someone would make a list, I'll make the poll. Or people can make suggestions. My suggestions would be Charter and High Tech. But I'll add other schools that are good, but might not be the best. Just because a school is extremely good doesn't mean they will be on the circuit as much as other teams will be, so that should be considered too. Teams that are active and can win should be considered for the poll. I'll make it, or someone else can.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:13 pm
by A_Failure
Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War wrote:[EDIT: Apparently, it seems that one has to make the poll with the first post of the thread or else it won't be allowed. Hopefully this is not true; someone else hopefully knows how to do it?]
So I can do this poll (by virtue of having started this thread), but don't have incredible knowledge of the circuit (especially in PA/upstate NY). Could people with said knowledge please post here (or PM me) with a list of which teams are strongest from those areas (or in general)?

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:52 pm
by Ithaca Cricket Ump
In upstate New York, it's Ithaca A and Troy, and everyone else is a long way below (Cooperstown returns only one player from their SSNCT quarterfinalist team, Fayetteville-Manlius graduated Matt Hasenwinkel, and no MasterMinds team has the experience or canon knowledge to even begin to deal with Ithaca and Troy). The distant third best team in upstate is probably Ithaca B. Honestly, it's probably a coinflip between them this year, although last year Ithaca was clearly the superior team. I think, though, that Troy has made up some of that ground, because of the continual rapid improvement and almost maniacal work ethic of their star, rising senior Alex Pyle.

Alex is the best all-around player in upstate New York by some distance (possibly New York, period - Daniel Ma I think is the only other contender for that title), and is a dark horse contender to win the 2019 IPNCT - he has no weaknesses except trash (since the IPNCT is run on NAQT questions, that weakness may be his eventual undoing, but he is frighteningly deep in every academic category). He actually reminds me a lot of Eric Wolfsberg, except not as good at history but better at science and arts. He performed extremely well at Texas Quizbowl Camp this summer, and singlehandedly laid waste to the MasterMinds state tournament (admittedly on A set questions). Like Daniel said, though, he needs some backup when playing against any team of the quality of, say, Ithaca or better. His teammates reacted positively to the HSNCT experience - if even one of them can take a step forward, Troy has the ability to make a deep HSNCT or PACE run in 2019, because Alex will provide a matchup problem for just about anyone.

The only Ithaca player who would maybe even take 1 one-on-one all-subject solo game out of 5 off of Alex is Isaiah Gutman, but Ithaca is a carefully constructed, extremely experienced and well-coached team that has no holes at all. Between Isaiah, Vaynu Kadiyali, Julian Perry (literature and arts specialist) and Kaelan Imani (science and math specialist), they cover absolutely everything, at deep levels of knowledge. Isaiah, Vaynu and Julian are all outstanding trash players (with the graduation of Sam Brochin, you could say that Isaiah is the region's or even the nation's #1 sports player and I wouldn't argue the point), and Vaynu is a geography and current events expert, so unlike previous Ithaca teams they're not going to be ceding anything to anyone on a NAQT packet - quite the opposite. Their team chemistry and teamwork is also outstanding. The type of team Ithaca is (balanced team of specialists or pretty good players) generally beats the type of team Troy is (dominated by one superstar), but I assure that the two teams have the utmost respect for one another, and that if Alex gets a favorable packet, he can smoke absolutely anyone. One of my regrets about moving to Florida is that I'm not going to see the Ithaca A vs. Troy matches this year, because I get the feeling they're going to be classics.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:06 pm
by insohumniac
I would consider all of the following teams worthy of mention for the purposes of this poll (this list is not meant to be comprehensive) : Hunter A, Wilmington Charter A, High Tech A, Ithaca A, Allderdice A, Darien A, Troy A, GNS A, Manheim Township A, Penn Manor A, Hempfield A, Millburn A, East Brunswick A, Livingston A, St. Joe's A, Greens Farms A, Hotchkiss A, Downingtown Stem A, Henderson A, FSS A, State College A, MCA A, High Tech B, Hunter B, and Kellenberg A.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:16 pm
by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War
Looks like a good list to me! But since you can only rank 1 team in the poll, I would assume that the B teams should be left out?

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:34 pm
by insohumniac
Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War wrote:Looks like a good list to me! But since you can only rank 1 team in the poll, I would assume that the B teams should be left out?
Another thing to keep in mind is that the previous iteration of this preseason poll included far less teams (13). If we wish to follow such a model, I will modify my list so that it reads as such : Hunter A, Wilmington Charter A, High Tech A, Ithaca A, Allderdice A, Darien A, Troy A, GNS A, Manheim Township A, Penn Manor A, Millburn A, East Brunswick A, Greens Farms A, Hotchkiss A, Henderson A, FSS A, State College A, Wilton A. This is 18 teams.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:14 pm
by connor.mayers
Just a note when ranking teams here- State College A will most likely be the B team from last years HSNCT led by Albert, while B will be what is left of the A team from last year. These things could change but from what has been communicated State College has no real intention to try and shuffle around squads too much.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:19 pm
by zeebli123
Not sure if it's possible, but I wouldn't leave out High Tech B; all of the players are strong rising seniors and have great upset potential.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:55 pm
by karsten7814
From a CT perspective, the teams worth ranking are Darien, Greens Farms, Hotchkiss (all of which are ranked) but Wilton, who has two great players in the Koutsoukos brothers, is missing.
On the topic of B teams, Hunter has more than four strong history players from what I've seen, so High Tech B and Hunter B should both definitely be ranked.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:09 am
by insohumniac
karsten7814 wrote:From a CT perspective, the teams worth ranking are Darien, Greens Farms, Hotchkiss (all of which are ranked) but Wilton, who has two great players in the Koutsoukos brothers, is missing.
On the topic of B teams, Hunter has more than four strong history players from what I've seen, so High Tech B and Hunter B should both definitely be ranked.
Your point is well taken. I've edited my post to add Wilton.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:00 pm
by A_Failure
Hi everyone,

I have updated the OP with a poll. I apologize for not doing this sooner, as I kind of just forgot about it. Many thanks to Nate for reminding me.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:46 pm
by Thiccasso's Guernthicca
At least based on PHSAT results, I think it's fair to say that Hunter has recovered from their losses much quicker than anticipated, winning the tournament outright while missing Brian Lu.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:27 pm
by karsten7814
Indeed. Hunter looks poised to maintain their dominance over the Northeast. I didn't get a chance to see most of upper bracket :sad: but High Tech B was really good and Wilmington Charter was very strong. Millburn, who I played in upper consolation, was also playing super well.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:11 pm
by karsten7814
After Columbia Fall, I have the following to say:
Having played the top bracket, there were several top national contenders there. High Tech A was excellent, with really nice buzzes. Deepak went on a run with around 3 firstlines in a row. Ithaca was a juggernaut, and I don't think I've seen a more truly balanced team. Isaiah contributed some scarily deep buzzes on history, Kaelen had seemingly scary depth on science, and their other two players (didn't catch their names) had incredible depth on lit. West Egg was a close game, but I don't doubt the power of Noah's dominance over lit and Andersen's strong history knowledge. Although I didn't get to play Hunter with Daniel Ma, I did get to play what will likely be Hunter next year, which was strong, so the title of best NY team may still be in the hands of Hunter. I did have a chance to see the finals, and although Hunter had some strong powers, I think it is safe to say that Hunter will be a more daunting team for HSNCT whereas Ithaca will be a strong contender for superplayoffs at PACE. Regardless of what will happen come nationals season, it seems quite obvious that this is a good year for the Northeast circuit as a whole!

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:01 pm
by frankthetankthatsank
Following Columbia Fall, I have to agree with Karsten that Hunter looks poised to be the top team in the Tri-State/Northeast this year. Looking at the stats, Daniel was incredible.

That being said, in my totally unbiased opinion I think that High Tech isn't far behind. Of course, the seniors Michael, Darren, and Steven remain to be fantastic players, and Deepak is becoming an amazing player if he wasn't already one.

Being on the C-team most of the time, I don't see much of the top-tier teams unless I get put in National Division, but those are the teams that I think will be on top.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:33 pm
by Couch's Kingbird
Agreed that Hunter and High Tech were strong (worth noting that High Tech was missing Michael Li for prelims/a couple of playoff games, so that affected stats) but definitely don't underrate Ithaca and West Egg. Ithaca was solid during the whole tournament- I didn't see them play, but stats wise they were very balanced, had a solid PPG, and were able to take down all of the top bracket teams (they went 1-1 against Hunter A and had solid wins over GFA/Darien/West Egg/HTHS A). And as mentioned above, West Egg is a solid team: Noah is an awesome lit player and puts up a high PPG, but Andersen (a solid history player), Ethan, and Daniel all cannot be overlooked. Additionally, don't ignore Livingston: I'm pretty sure they were missing their top two scorers during Columbia Fall prelims (Johnathan and Carolyn), but they made top bracket at PHSAT with solid stats.

To put in a word about Darien: they did make top bracket at Columbia while missing A-team members (Evan was away during prelims and was on the B team, Maya/Riya couldn't go), but they definitely haven't hit their stride (Columbia Fall playoffs says it all)- they're still trying to iron out their rosters (and what their "A team" is is debatable, anyways). John's a junior now and a pretty solid history player, and Evan can get niche/esoteric history/science/whatnot when he plays; Alex DelVecchio's also a good history player, Iman can challenge Maya at lit/RMP stuff. Overall, though, they're a young team, and hopefully will improve and coalesce throughout the year.

(I'm definitely missing teams/people in this post but my memory sucks, sorry)

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:53 pm
by karsten7814
I agree with you that High Tech was incredible, though to be honest I believe that the top 10 teams in the circuit are as follows:
1. Hunter A and Ithaca A (tie)
It really depends on the set here. If it's NAQT, all four of Hunter's A team seems ready to go in for the kill over any northeast team. However, on a housewrite, I would have to say that Ithaca is the better team. I expect both to finish in the national top 20.
3. Troy
I've never played Alex Pyle, but his stats at MIT fall look very promising to the team's prowess. They beat Ithaca there, so I feel like a 3rd place seems reasonable. However, I'm hoping there's a tournament like BEST this year where all these top teams face each other to determine who is the BEST.
4. Wilmington Charter
Sohum and Waley are really, really good. They seem like they really cover all the bases of the game, and I feel like they have stellar depth. Their second place PHSAT finish didn't hurt things either.
5. High Tech
They are stellar. They have really nice buzzes on every subject. However, past results between High Tech and Ithaca/Hunter/Charter makes me feel confident that I have made the right choice in my rankings
6. West Egg
Noah and Andersen are a scary 1-2 punch on lit and history, and they have good support from Ethan. They've choked a bit against teams they should have beaten, but come nats season, I see them having a high finish.
7. Greens Farms
I know we're still relatively new to the circuit and at most tournaments it's just me, but I think our Columbia Fall stats and Yale FAcT win confirm we're the best team from CT. However, to climb these rankings, I'm going to need my teammates back. One is dealing with college tours and the like and two are in DC on various junior semester programs. When the team reunites, hopefully we can jump a spot.
8. Millburn
Dean Ah Now is very very good. My win at PHSAT over him puts us just over him in my opinion, but his team is young like ours and I expect drastic improvement in other subjects to complement his insanely deep history knowledge.
9. Darien
They've faltered a bit. The loss of Julia Tong and Michael Borecki has undoubtedly affected the team a bit, and they're still clearly adjusting to that loss of leadership. However, their MSNCT squad is still very good at Quiz Bowl. Alex DelVecchio is also a standout B team player that will likely be a good resource in the coming years.
10. High Tech B
Adrian, Ivy, Cole and Eric were a really good team at PHSAT, and even without Adrian it was close at Columbia Fall. They're definitely not to be underestimated, as they beat their A team. They were great on every subject.
This year is really solid for the northeast. I believe all of these teams have a good chance of being national top 100, with the top 6 being top 25 level teams. I'm excited to see how this year's stellar group ends up finishing come May.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:55 am
by frankthetankthatsank
Couch's Kingbird wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:33 pm
Agreed that Hunter and High Tech were strong (worth noting that High Tech was missing Michael Li for prelims/a couple of playoff games, so that affected stats) but definitely don't underrate Ithaca and West Egg. Ithaca was solid during the whole tournament- I didn't see them play, but stats wise they were very balanced, had a solid PPG, and were able to take down all of the top bracket teams (they went 1-1 against Hunter A and had solid wins over GFA/Darien/West Egg/HTHS A). And as mentioned above, West Egg is a solid team: Noah is an awesome lit player and puts up a high PPG, but Andersen (a solid history player), Ethan, and Daniel all cannot be overlooked. Additionally, don't ignore Livingston: I'm pretty sure they were missing their top two scorers during Columbia Fall prelims (Johnathan and Carolyn), but they made top bracket at PHSAT with solid stats.

To put in a word about Darien: they did make top bracket at Columbia while missing A-team members (Evan was away during prelims and was on the B team, Maya/Riya couldn't go), but they definitely haven't hit their stride (Columbia Fall playoffs says it all)- they're still trying to iron out their rosters (and what their "A team" is is debatable, anyways). John's a junior now and a pretty solid history player, and Evan can get niche/esoteric history/science/whatnot when he plays; Alex DelVecchio's also a good history player, Iman can challenge Maya at lit/RMP stuff. Overall, though, they're a young team, and hopefully will improve and coalesce throughout the year.
I don't see Ithaca at that many competitions, but you're right that they are very good. West Egg is always tough to beat.

As for Darien, John is still there and from what I've seen he's a great player. They're still solid and are near or at the top in Connecticut.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:19 am
by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War
I should say that Hunter still hasn't played with a full team yet on either NAQT or a housewrite (especially relevant to Columbia, where in addition to missing Asher, our science/rmp/ss player, I only played 5 tossups the whole morning).

That being said, Ithaca was really good at Columbia, and I regret ranking them so low on my earlier rankings. They seem to have a balanced and fast-playing team, both very valuable qualities, especially in conjunction.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:50 pm
by karsten7814
I think if anything, Columbia Fall preliminaries showed how strong Hunter A in the coming years will be. Rachel Yang is a really good lit player who puts up some really clutch buzzes, Pedro Orduz and Cerulean Ozarow (who wasn't at Columbia but is always really good) are incredible history players who will likely end up filling the history hole that Daniel will eventually leave behind. Ben is a really good science player that can also buzz across the distribution. And as aforementioned, Asher Jaffe is a really solid SS and science player who is also a very good generalist. Ultimately, I still see Hunter close to if not at the top of the circuit next year. Something that I recently thought about is how many people will be gone from the circuit next year. Half or more of High Tech A and B, Ithaca, Charter, GNS, Troy, and Hunter A are leaving. I hope that next year our circuit stays as strong as it has been historically.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:46 pm
by Berniecrat
Karsten Rynearson of Green Farms contributed this nice writeup of Northeastern teams for Groger Ranks! https://grogerranks.wordpress.com/2018/ ... -analysis/

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:51 pm
by NateRybner
When do you guys think we should have a mid season poll?

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:59 am
by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War
Probably in a long while (I'd suggest late December/early January, when the first wave of tournaments has largely ended and the second wave beginning in late January has yet to start)

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:36 pm
by karsten7814
Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:59 am
Probably in a long while (I'd suggest late December/early January, when the first wave of tournaments has largely ended and the second wave beginning in late January has yet to start)
I think that we've pretty much arrived at that point, as December seems very quiet in terms of Northeast tournaments. Also, perhaps we should employ more of a Google Forms "Rank in order what you think the top 10 northeast teams are" type of poll and not just "which team is the best" kind of poll. There are so many good Northeast teams this year that I feel that something like a top 10 ranking would be more interesting to see.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:05 am
by Snoopy
karsten7814 wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:36 pm
Also, perhaps we should employ more of a Google Forms "Rank in order what you think the top 10 northeast teams are" type of poll and not just "which team is the best" kind of poll.
I liked this idea, so I did it! Everyone is free to fill out this google form! If there's any questions, just ask here.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:27 pm
by A_Failure
Snoopy wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:05 am
karsten7814 wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:36 pm
Also, perhaps we should employ more of a Google Forms "Rank in order what you think the top 10 northeast teams are" type of poll and not just "which team is the best" kind of poll.
I liked this idea, so I did it! Everyone is free to fill out this google form! If there's any questions, just ask here.
Would it be possible to require respondents to list 10 teams on the ballot (or, alternatively, only put 5 slots on the ballot)? I only ask this because the player poll from last year had something like this (in that there were 40 slots on the ballot but only 10 were required) and it lead to some confusion for me personally. If not, it's no big deal, though.

Also, will the voters' ballots be posted once results are?

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:06 pm
by Snoopy
A_Failure wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:27 pm
Would it be possible to require respondents to list 10 teams on the ballot (or, alternatively, only put 5 slots on the ballot)? I only ask this because the player poll from last year had something like this (in that there were 40 slots on the ballot but only 10 were required) and it lead to some confusion for me personally. If not, it's no big deal, though.

Also, will the voters' ballots be posted once results are?
I suppose that's possible. Right now I have 5 mandatory slots and 5 not mandatory, but it can change if other people want it to as well. I'm fine either way. I have a high response rate anyway (12/15 went all the way to the bottom, and 14/15 went to 8) so we're pretty good right now. You probably should go to eight at a minimum.

No, everyone's votes will be kept anonymous. I only asked for names as a safeguard against ballot box stuffing (if there's anything funky, I'm not going to count it). However, I can release the individual ballots without identifying information, I suppose, but we can discuss that when the poll closes (btw, it will close in about a week.)

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:14 pm
by karsten7814
Why not release names? If you're being honest in your assessment of the teams, there's nothing to worry about. I'd be interested in seeing what other people's thoughts are.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:50 pm
by Snoopy
Alright, fair enough. I'll post them in a google doc when all is said and done.
That being said, if you would like to remain anonymous and have already filled out the form, PM me or post here. If you don't say anything, your results will be released.
EDIT: I added an option to remain anonymous on the form. Also, 1-8 are now mandatory, with 9 and 10 optional.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:01 pm
by Snoopy
Thank you to everyone who voted so far! We have 21 votes as of right now!

I have decided to close the poll on December 7th at 5:00 PM or so. Get those votes in while you can! Even if you aren't from the region, please feel free to cast a vote! You can be anonymous if you'd like through an option on the poll.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:12 am
by Snoopy
The NY Metro Mid-Season poll will close tomorrow at 5! Get your votes in!

Results will be exclusively posted on the New York Quizbowl Alliance's Website! It can be found at http://NYQBAlliance.org.

A link to the raw data on Google Docs will also be available for your perusal, with anonymity for those who requested it, along with some interesting advanced stats I plan on putting together. Stay tuned!

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:24 am
by nsheidlower1
I have converted the data into a spreadsheet located on the main page of the website. Thanks for all who participated!
https://www.nyqballiance.org/

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:17 pm
by Subotai the Valiant, Final Dog of War
The votes for Boston Latin, Barrington, and Allderdice should probably be discounted due to being outside the geographic limits of the poll.

EDIT: And the teams below them on the voters' ballots should probably get the additional points from moving up

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:24 pm
by karsten7814
Will the raw data be posted for public perusal?

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:28 pm
by nsheidlower1
I will coordinate will Joe regarding the teams that should not be there. As this was his poll, I will let him decide on these matters.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:55 pm
by Snoopy
Hello, everyone!

After checking on the three disputed entries, Allderdice and Boston Latin high schools are outside of the region that I stated at the top of the poll, and I specifically said to avoid schools outside this geographic region. As such, the affected schools will be removed. Changes to points will be made late tonight. I doubt the standings will move at all (or barely), but we'll see.

Barrington HS, being in Rhode Island, is also outside the region of the poll. However, they exclusively play tournaments in the NY region. As such, I decided to make an exception for them.

My decision in this matter is final.

Raw data will indeed be posted for public perusal in short order (READ: two days.)

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:22 pm
by High Dependency Unit
Snoopy wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:55 pm
Hello, everyone!

After checking on the three disputed entries, Allderdice and Boston Latin high schools are outside of the region that I stated at the top of the poll, and I specifically said to avoid schools outside this geographic region. As such, the affected schools will be removed. Changes to points will be made late tonight. I doubt the standings will move at all (or barely), but we'll see.

Barrington HS, being in Rhode Island, is also outside the region of the poll. However, they exclusively play tournaments in the NY region. As such, I decided to make an exception for them.

My decision in this matter is final.

Raw data will indeed be posted for public perusal in short order (READ: two days.)
Barrington definitely also plays Boston-area events.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:32 pm
by Snoopy
You're right. But they stay anyway.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:04 pm
by karsten7814
Snoopy wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:55 pm

Barrington HS, being in Rhode Island, is also outside the region of the poll. However, they exclusively play tournaments in the NY region. As such, I decided to make an exception for them.

My decision in this matter is final.

Wait, what? Barrington has played two tournaments and registered for two more. Three of those tournaments/future tournaments are in Massachusetts. The other was at Yale, which is arguably the northern border of the Northeast circuit. In no way do they exclusively play in the NY region. In fact, they have not played a single NY team all year. I'm confused by your reasoning here. They're much more a part of the MA circuit then they are a part of ours. They should not be ranked on this poll.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:24 pm
by A_Failure
I would also like to point out that State College plays in Western Pennsylvania like Allderdice does, so I feel that they should be excluded from the poll. I realize that they only received one vote, but believe it would be best for the sake of continuity.

Also, I find it hard to understand why someone voted for Wheatley, given that they have yet to attend a tournament this year.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:03 am
by Thiccasso's Guernthicca
karsten7814 wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:04 pm
Snoopy wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:55 pm

Barrington HS, being in Rhode Island, is also outside the region of the poll. However, they exclusively play tournaments in the NY region. As such, I decided to make an exception for them.

My decision in this matter is final.

Wait, what? Barrington has played two tournaments and registered for two more. Three of those tournaments/future tournaments are in Massachusetts. The other was at Yale, which is arguably the northern border of the Northeast circuit. In no way do they exclusively play in the NY region. In fact, they have not played a single NY team all year. I'm confused by your reasoning here. They're much more a part of the MA circuit then they are a part of ours. They should not be ranked on this poll.
I would like to note that, had I been given the option of voting for Barrington in the poll (which I originally wasn't, as RI wasn't one of the states listed in the geographic area), I would've voted for Barrington (and I imagine others would have as well). Perhaps it is best to exclude them from the poll both on the grounds of them having not played many NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE teams and incomplete voting information.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:08 am
by Snoopy
Barrington will be removed from the poll for the reasons Wongyoung laid out. No further changes will be made.

Eligibility will be stricter in the future.

One more edit: Perhaps it would be worth our while to accurately describe what our region is.

Re: NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '18-19

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:14 am
by Snoopy
A_Failure wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:24 pm
Also, I find it hard to understand why someone voted for Wheatley, given that they have yet to attend a tournament this year.
Yeah, not sure about that one! I can say, though, that the person who voted for them is not from Wheatley.