QU San Antonio boast thread here

First Chairman · Post by **First Chairman** » Tue May 23, 2006 9:55 am

This is the schedule and the field. Who's gonna win?

Dan Greenstein · Post by **Dan Greenstein** » Tue May 23, 2006 5:19 pm

Only two rooms? This tournament offends my sense of quizbowl aesthetic.

insaneindian · Post by **insaneindian** » Tue May 23, 2006 5:47 pm

I hope San Antonio (the riverwalk, etc.) is fun. I can tell Brad Rutter I got a question right about him...at a trash tournament

You really can never tell who will win a phase of QU, and I'll leave it at that.

Irreligion in Bangladesh · Tue May 23, 2006 5:57 pm

Dan Greenstein wrote:Only two rooms? This tournament offends my sense of quizbowl aesthetic.

Why is there no clear cut page for standings/team listing? You have to go through and figure out what teams are there and hope you don't repeat a team. It's lazy website writing if you ask me.

jrbarry · Post by **jrbarry** » Tue May 23, 2006 7:30 pm

One thing that used to make me uncomfortable at the NAC was its unpredictableness. NAC always has lots of upsets and surprise teams. These days, that unpredictable factor is a plus to me. It is kind of exciting.

Old dogs do learn new tricks. For the past three years I have let my active seniors choose which nationals we will attend should we qualify. In 2004, we went to the NAC-New Orleans and NAQT in Houston. In 2005, we entered NAQT in Chicago and PACE in Orlando. This year my senior captain wanted to enter NAQT primarily because of the Jeopardy tryout. I did decide that we would only do one nationals this year.

bigtrain · Post by **bigtrain** » Tue May 23, 2006 7:59 pm

If the NAQT HSNCT wasn't the same weekend as the NAC Washington phase, I was going to go to the tournament site to do some quality heckling

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First Chairman · Post by **First Chairman** » Tue May 23, 2006 10:26 pm

insaneindian wrote:I hope San Antonio (the riverwalk, etc.) is fun. I can tell Brad Rutter I got a question right about him...at a trash tournament

We had a Brad Rutter question for the PACE all-star game a few years ago too. Hope it was equally as trashy...

P.S. Really trying to avoid the temptation of rekindling the "short tossups suck" thread...

insaneindian · Post by **insaneindian** » Tue May 23, 2006 10:52 pm

Oops, not trying to start anything up again. I actually meant at a trash tournament, though (the one at U of Maryland).

First Chairman · Post by **First Chairman** » Tue May 23, 2006 10:55 pm

Okay... then I'm confident it was as trashy. :)

BroNi · Post by **BroNi** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:22 pm

My prediction...

Top 4 will be Seton Hall, Clear Lake, Charter of Wilmington, and Bryam Hills A.

and Bryam Hills A will place first in San Antonio

btressler · Post by **btressler** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:39 pm

BroNi wrote:My prediction...

Top 4 will be Seton Hall, Clear Lake, Charter of Wilmington, and Bryam Hills A.

and Bryam Hills A will place first in San Antonio

and Wilmington Charter gets to play both Clear Lake AND Bryam Hills A in prelim rounds (which will make it harder to have those four teams in separate quarters of the playoffs)

I would not count out White Plains, who made a 2nd place showing at Half Hollow Hills on this format out of ~80 teams and doesn't play any powerhouses in the prelims. West Chester East (Varsity and JV) and Kellenberg also deserve mention. In fact, I notice San Antonio is packed with much talent, and whoever gets out of there has a decent chance of taking it all.

Let me officially downplay our chances here. We do not practice this format, and every year manage to lose about half our rounds. In fact, if we can get through the tournament without me having to protest or "appeal to the Supreme Court", I will consider the effort a victory. Seems every year there's a question with two possible answers and we give the wrong one.

..or Chip decides that 'Berkley' is an element

- Bill Tressler
Charter School of Wilmington, DE

Post by **DumbJaques** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:00 pm

Let me officially downplay our chances here. We do not practice this format, and every year manage to lose about half our rounds. In fact, if we can get through the tournament without me having to protest or "appeal to the Supreme Court", I will consider the effort a victory. Seems every year there's a question with two possible answers and we give the wrong one.

..or Chip decides that 'Berkley' is an element

Then why do you go. . .

insaneindian · Post by **insaneindian** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:41 pm

I think I'll actually answer that. I can't speak for T here, but if I've learned one thing in life, it's take what you can get for free. Whether it's free samples at the grocery store or a trip to San Antonio, you might as well take it. Especially when there hasn't exactly been anything given to you in your life.

And like I have explained before, our local TV tournament pays for our trip when we win the Delaware Comcast Academic Challenge.

So umm...that's why I want to go. Not necessarily to compete in the tournament, which may or may not be fun. But I'm sure we can find a way to have fun in San Antonio. If not, there's always Poker and Super Smash Brothers.

BobGHHS · Post by **BobGHHS** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:48 pm

and Wilmington Charter gets to play both Clear Lake AND Bryam Hills A in prelim rounds (which will make it harder to have those four teams in separate quarters of the playoffs)

And they also get to play 5x Ohio State Champion and 2-3 time National Top-5 (at least at ASCN) -- Copley...

That is quite a loaded bracket huh...

btressler · Post by **btressler** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:37 pm

BobGHHS wrote:And they also get to play 5x Ohio State Champion and 2-3 time National Top-5 (at least at ASCN) -- Copley...

That is quite a loaded bracket huh...

You lost me on this one. Our prelims:
Sunday 1:00 v. Fairfield
Sunday 2:00 v. Grundy Center
Sunday 5:00 v. Krelim-Hillsdale
Monday 9:30 v. New Rochelle
Monday 11:30 v. Clear Lake
Monday 4:30 v. Byram Hills A

Does "they" refer to White Plains or Byram Hills? Oh, and we didn't know who Copley was, so I stand corrected when I said White Plains schedule was all easier teams. Chip says the scheduling algorithm is a "matter of public knowledge". Does anyone know what the algorithm is?

And I'll point to Abhi's post as the answer to DumbJacques. You win the TV tournament, your trip to nationals is paid. I liked New Orleans, and I think I'll like San Antonio. In the downtime the kids school me in Super Smash Brothers, so how can you beat that?

Ben Dillon · Post by **Ben Dillon** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:47 pm

From the QU website:

1. Each team competing in the tournament shall be guaranteed six qualifying round matches. For the convenience of the participants, qualifying round pairings shall be made at random according to the teams' estimated time of arrival at the competition venue, as noted on the registration forms. These forms may be made a matter of public record. A standard tournament chart will be filled in from top to bottom as the teams are listed in order of E.T.A.

IIRC, the rules about ten years ago (or maybe the packet sent to coaches) alluded to, but didn't completely spell out, the procedure. It was something along the lines of 1 plays 2, 3 plays 4, etc. for the first pairing, then 1 plays 3, 2 plays 4, etc. for the second pairing, and so forth. It was the "and so forth" wording that was a bit vague.

Although I've attended NAC many times, I've never sat down to see if I could reconstruct the order and therefore the pairing procedure. Might be worth a go. Of course, since NAC doesn't have a defined "end of Round 1, beginning of Round 2", reconstruction would be very tricky. Plus, because of some teams' scheduling requests (e.g. all games on one day), there have been numerous times when two teams are paired, one playing their first game against the other playing their third.

First Chairman · Post by **First Chairman** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:19 am

I recall that it was spelled out before. Teams are scheduled based on the order of registration at first. Then they are paired up usually as 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8... ; 1-3, 2-4, 5-7, 6-8...; with one 1-(n), 2-(n-1), 3-(n-2), ...

But they also reserve the right to swap matchups around based on "scheduling"... you know... that untimely SAT Saturday morning or that planned tour of the Riverwalk or something.

btressler · Post by **btressler** » Mon May 29, 2006 7:45 am

Here's where things stand after two days. These are unofficial to the extent that I copied them off the board.

Seton Hall L 260 W 305 W 230 W 390 W 355 W 345 5 1 1885
Fairfield W 320 W 280 W 265 L 210 W 270 W 275 5 1 1620
Byram Hills A W 345 W 325 W 345 W 325 4 0 1340
Kinkaid A W 330 W 215 W 365 W 350 4 0 1260
Kellenberg W 285 W 310 W 285 W 250 4 0 1130
John Cooper W 255 W 255 W 295 W 260 4 0 1065
Booker T Washington W 385 W 275 W 255 L 225 W 300 4 1 1440
McKinley W 235 W 210 W 225 W 265 L 150 L 125 4 2 1210
Clear Lake W 275 W 340 W 315 3 0 930
Fort Worth W 240 W 290 L 275 W 290 3 1 1095
White Plains W 315 W 330 2 0 645
Charter W 460 L 245 W 290 2 1 995
Claremore W 370 L 280 W 345 2 1 995
Irvington A W 330 W 260 L 180 2 1 770
Irvington B L 120 W 370 W 180 2 1 670
Jackson Prep W 245 W 230 L 260 L 225 2 2 960
East JV W 250 L 220 W 190 L 200 2 2 860
Grundy Center W 235 L 170 L 130 W 270 2 2 805
Ridgeland W 225 L 115 L 235 L 200 W 300 2 3 1075
East Varsity L 210 W 375 W 355 L 170 L 255 L 255 2 4 1620
Billings Central W 220 1 0 220
Lamar L 100 L 215 L 125 W 220 1 2 660
St John's W 205 L 225 L 165 1 2 595
St Croix L 135 W 270 L 130 1 2 535
Maudlin L 225 W 390 L 200 L 200 1 3 1015
Kinkaid B L 220 L 185 W 275 L 145 1 3 825
Syosset A W 285 L 190 L 135 L 200 1 3 810
New Rochelle L 165 W 290 L 155 L 190 1 3 800
Copley L 195 L 215 W 280 L 195 L 175 1 4 1060
Elizabethtown L 175 0 1 175
Scripps Ranch L 225 L 130 L 245 0 3 600
Syosset B L 180 L 160 L 135 L 175 0 4 650
Kremlin L 130 L 185 L 120 L 115 0 4 550
Byram Hills B L 240 L 170 L 155 L 160 L 265 0 5 990
Northridge L 100 L 120 L 60 L 75 L 105 L 110 0 6 570

First Chairman · Post by **First Chairman** » Mon May 29, 2006 9:21 am

Thanks!

Well, there goes my Copley prediction.

Byko · Post by **Byko** » Mon May 29, 2006 10:42 pm

Thank you very much for the updates! Any chance you could find out what state these teams are from:

Northridge (I'm guessing Ohio?)
McKinley (Louisiana? Or maybe Ohio again?)
St. John's (Texas or Massachusetts?)

Romero · Post by **Romero** » Mon May 29, 2006 11:05 pm

St. Johns is not from Texas. Must be Massachusetts.

Romero

Ted Curry · Post by **Ted Curry** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:18 am

St. John's School, from Houston, Texas, will only be participating in the NAQT HSNCT this year.

The last time we competed in the Questions Unlimited NAC was in 2002, when we won the New Orleans phase of the competition, only to lose to Irmo (SC) a couple of weeks later in the national semi-finals held that year in Malibu, California.

btressler · Post by **btressler** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:57 am

14 teams made the playoffs

6-0 teams
1. White Plains (NY)
2. Byram Hills (NY)

5-1 teams
3. Claremore (OK) loss to Byram Hills
4. Seton Hall Prep (NJ) loss to Fairfield
5. Fort Worth (TX) loss to Irvington
6. Irvington A (NY) loss to Booker T Washington
7. Kinkaid A (TX) loss to Kellenberg
8. Booker T Washington (OK) loss to Seton Hall
9. Fairfield (IL) loss to Fort Worth
10. Kellenberg (NY) loss to Elizabethtown

4-2 teams
11. Charter (DE) losses to Fairfield and Byram Hills
12. Clear Lake (TX) losses to Charter and Fort Worth
13. John Cooper (TX) losses to Irvington and Maudlin
14. McKinley (LA) losses to Irvington B and Byram Hills

I'm not going to bother to give you my spreadsheet again, because it doesn't match these results (the Seton Hall coach was puzzled as well). The official response was that the posted scores were transcribed incorrectly, but that these rankings are accurate. I had us as the 11, so that part is at least probably right.

Matt Weiner · Post by **Matt Weiner** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:31 am

Stat74 wrote:I'm not going to bother to give you my spreadsheet again, because it doesn't match these results (the Seton Hall coach was puzzled as well). The official response was that the posted scores were transcribed incorrectly, but that these rankings are accurate.

Yet another fishy Beall incident for the file...

Byko · Post by **Byko** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:57 am

Romero wrote:St. Johns is not from Texas. Must be Massachusetts.

Ted Curry wrote:St. John's School, from Houston, Texas, will only be participating in the NAQT HSNCT this year.

Thanks to both of you--I appreciate the input. Ted, I'll look forward to seeing you and your team at NAQT again this year.

btressler · Post by **btressler** » Tue May 30, 2006 8:50 am

Matt Weiner wrote:
Yet another fishy Beall incident for the file...

All right, I'm going to bother. The discrepancy is around the 5-8 range. Maybe somebody changed one of Bookers scores on the poster, or it was truly written wrong. Honestly, I don't know what changing the seeds would accomplish because almost all the playoff teams are pretty good.

White Plains W 315 W 330 W 300 W 405 W 350 W 375 6 0 2075
Byram Hills A W 345 W 325 W 345 W 325 W 310 W 375 6 0 2025
Claremore W 370 L 280 W 345 W 360 W 380 W 340 5 1 2075
Seton Hall L 260 W 305 W 230 W 390 W 355 W 345 5 1 1885
Booker T Washington W 385 W 275 W 255 L 225 W 300 W 390 5 1 1830
Fort Worth W 240 W 290 L 275 W 290 W 385 W 340 5 1 1820
Irvington A W 330 W 260 L 180 W 420 W 325 W 285 5 1 1800
Kinkaid A W 330 W 215 W 365 W 350 L 190 W 295 5 1 1745
Fairfield W 320 W 280 W 265 L 210 W 270 W 275 5 1 1620
Kellenberg W 285 W 310 W 285 W 250 W 215 L 165 5 1 1510
Charter W 460 L 245 W 290 W 280 W 285 L 220 4 2 1780
Clear Lake W 275 W 340 W 315 L 235 W 395 L 210 4 2 1770
John Cooper W 255 W 255 W 295 W 260 L 225 L 265 4 2 1555
McKinley W 235 W 210 W 225 W 265 L 150 L 125 4 2 1210
East Varsity L 210 W 375 W 355 L 170 L 255 W 305 3 3 1670
Jackson Prep W 245 W 230 L 260 L 225 L 240 W 270 3 3 1470
St John's W 205 L 225 L 165 W 275 W 225 L 215 3 3 1310
Irvington B L 120 W 370 W 180 W 205 L 185 L 235 3 3 1295
Maudlin L 225 W 390 L 200 L 200 W 250 L 240 2 4 1505
Scripps Ranch L 225 L 130 L 245 W 365 L 210 W 280 2 4 1455
Copley L 195 L 215 W 280 L 195 L 175 W 355 2 4 1415
Syosset A W 285 L 190 L 135 L 200 W 195 L 250 2 4 1255
Ridgeland W 225 L 115 L 235 L 200 W 300 L 145 2 4 1220
Elizabethtown L 175 W 275 L 160 L 200 L 160 W 225 2 4 1195
Kinkaid B L 220 L 185 W 275 L 145 W 235 L 130 2 4 1190
Grundy Center W 235 L 170 L 130 W 270 L 180 L 135 2 4 1120
Billings Central W 220 L 135 L 175 L 220 L 175 W 170 2 4 1095
East JV W 250 L 220 W 190 L 200 L 170 L 170 2 4 1200
Lamar L 100 L 215 L 125 W 220 W 250 L 100 2 3 1010
New Rochelle L 165 W 290 L 155 L 190 L 200 L 215 1 5 1215
St Croix L 135 W 270 L 130 L 90 L 125 L 125 1 5 875
Kremlin L 130 L 185 L 120 L 115 W 195 L 115 1 5 860
Byram Hills B L 240 L 170 L 155 L 160 L 265 L 175 0 6 1165
Syosset B L 180 L 160 L 135 L 175 L 255 L 110 0 6 1015
Northridge L 100 L 120 L 60 L 75 L 105 L 110 0 6 570

btressler · Post by **btressler** » Tue May 30, 2006 2:16 pm

Here's your up-to-the-minute playoffs:

Octofinals:
Fairfield (9) def Booker T Washington (8)
Seton Hall (4) def John Cooper (13)
Clear Lake (12) def Fort Worth (5)
Claremore (3) def McKinley (14)
Charter (11) def Irvington A (6)
Kinkaid A (7) def Kellenberg (10)

Quarterfinals:
White Plains (1) def Fairfield (9)
Seton Hall (4) def Clear Lake (12)
Charter (11) def Claremore (3)
Byram Hills (2) def Kinkaid (7)

Semifinals
White Plains (1) def Seton Hall (4)
Byram Hills (2) def Charter (11)

Final
Byram Hills defeats White Plains 415-225