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Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:55 am
by klwalton33
Chris and Carsten (and everyone else),

Thanks so much for the compliments about EPIC. We got some feedback both good and not-quite-as-good at the meet so it's great to hear from more of the players that competed in it. I'll take the blame for the "repeats" as I had the final job of editing the packets and caught one repeat but obviously I fanned on a few as well. This is what happens when you edit packets around midnight the night before the meet I guess.

But thanks to all who attended -- we really enjoyed having you all there!

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:26 pm
by First Chairman
ETC: I moved the discussion about appropriate answers from EPIC over to Theory.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:27 pm
by OctagonJoe
Since a couple of posts on RATRACE got lumped into the general discussion on EPIC and such, I'll repost with some updatedness. Wayzata is sending one team of 2-4 players, Minnetonka is possibly throwing a team together last minute, and EP is now possibly attending. I think this should be an interesting tourney, as I don't know what the field will end up as with so many teams making plans at the last minute.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:23 pm
by cdcarter
OctagonJoe wrote:Since a couple of posts on RATRACE got lumped into the general discussion on EPIC and such, I'll repost with some updatedness. Wayzata is sending one team of 2-4 players, Minnetonka is possibly throwing a team together last minute, and EP is now possibly attending. I think this should be an interesting tourney, as I don't know what the field will end up as with so many teams making plans at the last minute.
It looks like South will not be attending, not that that will change the strength of the field much.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:02 pm
by sam.peterson
OctagonJoe wrote:Since a couple of posts on RATRACE got lumped into the general discussion on EPIC and such, I'll repost with some updatedness. Wayzata is sending one team of 2-4 players, Minnetonka is possibly throwing a team together last minute, and EP is now possibly attending. I think this should be an interesting tourney, as I don't know what the field will end up as with so many teams making plans at the last minute.
Chaska isn't sending any teams.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:35 pm
by OctagonJoe
It is now looking like the great RATRACE may have been caught in a mousetrap.
R. Hentzel wrote:As of 3:00 today, I only have six confirmed teams for this Saturday's
RAT-RACE quiz bowl tournament at Roseville Area High School. I've
sent out a final round of reminders which I hope will prod some
procrastinators into registering; I'll be making a final call on
whether the tournament is viable around 4:00 p.m. on Wednesday.

I hope I can find some more teams interested in competing, but if not,
Jane and I will have to reschedule or cancel the event (depending on
player enthusiasm). Apparently Saturday has lots and lots of
conflicts with other events. :-(
I am aware that Les Six may not yet include Wayzata, as our coach is as always one of the last to register teams. I'm hoping that RATRACE happens, as this is the last chance for A series fun times of which I am aware.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:28 pm
by sam.peterson
OctagonJoe wrote:R. Hentzel wrote:
As of 3:00 today, I only have six confirmed teams for this Saturday's
RAT-RACE quiz bowl tournament at Roseville Area High School. I've
sent out a final round of reminders which I hope will prod some
procrastinators into registering; I'll be making a final call on
whether the tournament is viable around 4:00 p.m. on Wednesday.

I hope I can find some more teams interested in competing, but if not,
Jane and I will have to reschedule or cancel the event (depending on
player enthusiasm). Apparently Saturday has lots and lots of
conflicts with other events. :-(
Why somebody would think it wise to schedule an event for a bunch of nerds on the day of an SAT is beyond me...

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:01 am
by theattachment
OctagonJoe wrote:Since a couple of posts on RATRACE got lumped into the general discussion on EPIC and such, I'll repost with some updatedness. Wayzata is sending one team of 2-4 players, Minnetonka is possibly throwing a team together last minute, and EP is now possibly attending. I think this should be an interesting tourney, as I don't know what the field will end up as with so many teams making plans at the last minute.
As of tonight EP isn't sending anyone. Michael's considering going with Igor or something like that, but they're the only two available/even considering it.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:41 am
by Auks Ran Ova
They should both go to the MCMNT mirror at St. Olaf instead, as should Carsten and Wayzata.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:47 am
by naturalistic phallacy
Skate or Die wrote:They should both go to the MCMNT mirror at St. Olaf instead, as should Carsten and Wayzata.
I do believe that both Michael and Igor are going to Cvi, but Carsten et al should attended as well.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:22 pm
by klwalton33
I just sent a final rallying cry to EP members to see if we can put together a team complete with drivers / chaperones. So we'll see.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:02 am
by theMoMA
klwalton33 wrote:I just sent a final rallying cry to EP members to see if we can put together a team complete with drivers / chaperones. So we'll see.
For RATRACE or Cvijanovich? If it's the latter, I will likely have a few open seats in my car, and can pick people up from their homes or EPHS. I believe Rob was planning to drive some HSers too. Anyone who's thinking about going and wants a ride can contact me at limozeen@gmail.com or on AIM as awppengruppen, and we'll find you transportation.

Also, is RATRACE officially canceled?

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:12 am
by theattachment
theMoMA wrote:
klwalton33 wrote:I just sent a final rallying cry to EP members to see if we can put together a team complete with drivers / chaperones. So we'll see.
For RATRACE or Cvijanovich? If it's the latter, I will likely have a few open seats in my car, and can pick people up from their homes or EPHS. I believe Rob was planning to drive some HSers too. Anyone who's thinking about going and wants a ride can contact me at limozeen@gmail.com or on AIM as awppengruppen, and we'll find you transportation.

Also, is RATRACE officially canceled?
He was talking about RATRACE. The closest we got to "interest" was six people led by Anant and Igor, the latter of whom was convinced to go to Cvijanovich instead. EP likely will not be going to RATRACE if it even happens. Michael and Igor will likely go to Cvi.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:23 pm
by OctagonJoe
RATRACE has officially been cancelled.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:25 pm
by Mitu
Alex Friedman and I are both definitely interested in attending the Cvi mirror but we're looking for a team to play on.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:25 am
by theMoMA
Mitu wrote:Alex Friedman and I are both definitely interested in attending the Cvi mirror but we're looking for a team to play on.
If you guys can get somewhere close to EP/Chaska/Chanhassen, I can pick you up and take you there. My cell is 612.270.456 (zero, just in case there is some spam harvester here). You'd probably have to start a new team, so let me make sure that's okay with Olaf.

Andrew

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:32 am
by Auks Ran Ova
I emailed Nik at Olaf about it already.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:48 am
by theMoMA
Skate or Die wrote:I emailed Nik at Olaf about it already.
KEWL

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:21 pm
by cdcarter
MCMNT was a really good tournament, and I probably enjoyed it more than I would have enjoyed IS-75A. It was also cool to get a chance to play with/see other area HS players on good questions.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:20 am
by klwalton33
Hey U of M folks --

How's the field for 3/15 looking? We plan on bringing at least a couple teams I believe. Any out of state dignitaries playing in this event?

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:55 am
by theMoMA
klwalton33 wrote:Hey U of M folks --

How's the field for 3/15 looking? We plan on bringing at least a couple teams I believe. Any out of state dignitaries playing in this event?
Charlie Dees was hoping to make it, but he couldn't find a reasonable flight. I will have an update on the field for that tournament in a few days.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:21 pm
by theMoMA
Any Minnesota high schoolers who aren't scheduled to play MUT with Sam Peterson...

Chris Carter and Andrew Anthony of South are putting together a second packet and looking for teammates. If you're willing to help out with some packet-writing, you too could have the experience of playing MUT. Send me an email at limozeen@gmail.com if interested.

Also, it's less than ten days away from the 3/15 PACE Spring Qualifier. Please, please, please tell your coaches to get your registrations in! We need to know how many teams to expect!

Thank you.

Andrew

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:01 pm
by klwalton33
Link to the MN Quiz Bowl league is now up:

Official NAQT page: http://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament-te ... nt_id=2508

Main MQBA page: http://www.naqt.com/mqba/league/2007/results.html

Shameless photo of winning team and coach's son with trophy:

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:50 pm
by theattachment
So I saw stats from today. Whoa. Any word on how it was playing with NAQT?

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:15 pm
by cdcarter
StiffUpperLipJeeves wrote:So I saw stats from today. Whoa. Any word on how it was playing with NAQT?
Have the stats been posted anywhere?

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:37 pm
by theattachment
cdcarter wrote:
StiffUpperLipJeeves wrote:So I saw stats from today. Whoa. Any word on how it was playing with NAQT?
Have the stats been posted anywhere?
My coach had a PDF of them that he sent to me because he knows I'm a numbers nerd. I'm not sure if it was sent out to coaches or what.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:43 pm
by theMoMA
If you email it to me (limozeen@gmail.com) I will put it on the e-internets for all to see.

Edit: HERE IT IS (PDF link)

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:15 pm
by OctagonJoe
Although it's a somewhat limited field, any predictions for the competition tomorrow. Even with the new format, I see EP A winning, Chaska a likely second, then maybe EP B, Team Plymouth, or a dark horse school that randomly rocks at PACE. I'm hoping for the best from the writers, and I know this could be the best Minnesota tournament as of yet.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:10 pm
by LeCoqRouge
What were the end results from saturday? I couldn't seem to find them online.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:08 pm
by Strongside
LeCoqRouge wrote:What were the end results from saturday? I couldn't seem to find them online.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5064

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:22 am
by LeCoqRouge
So since this is a thread about predictions and comparisons...

Who all from Minnesota is going to nationals, and what are your predictions about how they will fare?

I dunno about who all is going, by i'd say for rankings:

Eden Prairie: 3
Chaska: 13
Wayzata A: 20
Wayzata B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie C: Play offs...

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:13 pm
by sam.peterson
LeCoqRouge wrote:Eden Prairie C: Play offs...
Doubt it...

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:54 pm
by cdcarter
LeCoqRouge wrote:So since this is a thread about predictions and comparisons...

Who all from Minnesota is going to nationals, and what are your predictions about how they will fare?
Somewhat related, what teams from MN are going to PACE NSC?

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:53 pm
by LeCoqRouge
LeCoqRouge wrote:So since this is a thread about predictions and comparisons...

Who all from Minnesota is going to nationals, and what are your predictions about how they will fare?

I dunno about who all is going, by i'd say for rankings:

Eden Prairie: 3
Chaska: 13
Wayzata A: 20
Wayzata B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie C: Play offs...
So the fact that I predict 3rd place for EP A didn't provoke anybody into a fit of disbelief?!?

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:26 pm
by The Atom Strikes!
LeCoqRouge wrote:
LeCoqRouge wrote:So since this is a thread about predictions and comparisons...

Who all from Minnesota is going to nationals, and what are your predictions about how they will fare?

I dunno about who all is going, by i'd say for rankings:

Eden Prairie: 3
Chaska: 13
Wayzata A: 20
Wayzata B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie C: Play offs...
So the fact that I predict 3rd place for EP A didn't provoke anybody into a fit of disbelief?!?
I wouldn't predict that myself, but it isn't completely implausible. Really, because of Minnesota's isolation, we don't really know how strong EP is this year. I know that Micheal is great, and allegedly, Igor is a beast at science. But I don't know how this would translate to games against other top teams.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:35 pm
by The Time Keeper
LeCoqRouge wrote:
LeCoqRouge wrote:So since this is a thread about predictions and comparisons...

Who all from Minnesota is going to nationals, and what are your predictions about how they will fare?

I dunno about who all is going, by i'd say for rankings:

Eden Prairie: 3
Chaska: 13
Wayzata A: 20
Wayzata B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie C: Play offs...
So the fact that I predict 3rd place for EP A didn't provoke anybody into a fit of disbelief?!?
When there's no clear favorite like TJ '05, individual games on HSNCT packets can become a bit of a crapshoot among the elite teams. I wouldn't try making a real guess to an exact spot for any of the best teams, but the possibility of Eden Prairie finishing 3rd certainly seems possible and I can't imagine anyone taking issue with it.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:20 pm
by theattachment
LeCoqRouge wrote:
LeCoqRouge wrote:So since this is a thread about predictions and comparisons...

Who all from Minnesota is going to nationals, and what are your predictions about how they will fare?

I dunno about who all is going, by i'd say for rankings:

Eden Prairie: 3
Chaska: 13
Wayzata A: 20
Wayzata B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie B: 20 (or worse)
Eden Prairie C: Play offs...
So the fact that I predict 3rd place for EP A didn't provoke anybody into a fit of disbelief?!?
Not really.

Look, it's well-documented in here and in tournaments that Michael's really really good and that Igor (not allegedly) is a beast at science. We also set our team up to be good at NAQT. Everyone knows that. We, unlike last year, can't assume anonymity.

I personally doubt that we can beat a team like Dorman or Whitman twice in a tournament, let alone twice in a row in an advantaged final that we'd probably be disadvantaged for, but stranger things have happened than us getting slightly better than we hope to, which would put us in the top 5.

That said, EP C is likely fight valiantly only to not make playoffs. I think realistically the only ones from MN that can are EP A, EP B, Chaska A, Wayzata A, Wayzata B, and some wild card team in there. My guess would be as follows assuming they do two byes in prelims and follow the "winning record = in" rule from last year (teams taken from NAQT's registered teams list):

EP A: 10-1, Top 3-5
Chaska: 9-2, Top 9-12
Wayzata A: 7-4, Top 20-25 (where ever that round cuts)
Wayzata B and EP B: 6-5, Top 20-25
Orono: Maybe first cut of playoffs, if not 5-6
Minnetonka A: 5-6
Edina: 5-6
EP C: Maybe 4-7
De La Salle: 3-8
Minnetonka B: 3-8
Mounds Park: 2-9
Simley: 2-9
Armstrong: 2-9
Central: 1-10
Hopkins: 1-10
Irondale: 1-10
Rosemount: 1-10

I didn't realize how many teams are signed up until now.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:48 pm
by Mitu
Wayzata B will probably not make playoffs, considering Noah cant make it to Nationals.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:11 am
by theattachment
Mitu wrote:Wayzata B will probably not make playoffs, considering Noah cant make it to Nationals.
Lame, I like him. He will be sorely missed.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:47 pm
by LeCoqRouge
Who are the other two members of Eden Prairie A who are going to nationals? It seems EP has been messing with its A team in recent tournaments, so I was just wondering.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:01 am
by millionwaves
I'd like to post and praise the two high school teams that came and played MUT last Saturday. As someone with little knowledge of the Minnesota high school teams, I was really pleasantly surprised by the level of play that you guys displayed, and I look forward to playing you all again in other collegiate tournaments next year (or whenever).

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:54 am
by klwalton33
LeCoqRouge wrote:Who are the other two members of Eden Prairie A who are going to nationals? It seems EP has been messing with its A team in recent tournaments, so I was just wondering.
I can say with great certainty (being the coach and all), that barring something unforseen happening, EP's foursome consists of Michael, Igor, Colin, and Steven. We mixed things up a bit earlier in the year to try out some things, fill some gaps when people were missing, or whatever, but those 4 have been pretty consistent for a while.

This weekend will be a lot of fun to see where EP, Chaska, and the like stack up with Dorman. Looking forward to it!

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:54 pm
by sam.peterson
Gengangere wrote:I'd like to post and praise the two high school teams that came and played MUT last Saturday. As someone with little knowledge of the Minnesota high school teams, I was really pleasantly surprised by the level of play that you guys displayed, and I look forward to playing you all again in other collegiate tournaments next year (or whenever).
Thanks, we had a lot of fun playing against you guys.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:03 pm
by sam.peterson
klwalton33 wrote:
This weekend will be a lot of fun to see where EP, Chaska, and the like stack up with Dorman. Looking forward to it!
I'm afraid we won't be going.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:39 am
by LeCoqRouge
sam.peterson wrote:
klwalton33 wrote:
This weekend will be a lot of fun to see where EP, Chaska, and the like stack up with Dorman. Looking forward to it!
I'm afraid we won't be going.
That is quite unfortunate.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:08 pm
by cdcarter
klwalton33 wrote: This weekend will be a lot of fun to see where EP, Chaska, and the like stack up with Dorman. Looking forward to it!
I wish I could be there to see it. Good luck to the state of Minnesota!

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:34 pm
by cdcarter
LeCoqRouge wrote:So the fact that I predict 3rd place for EP A didn't provoke anybody into a fit of disbelief?!?
EP is a good team, and the stats they have been putting up are very very similar to those of Dorman et. al.

BTW- who are you/what school?

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:26 pm
by sam.peterson
Anybody have anything worth saying regarding this upcoming Saturday?

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:37 pm
by cdcarter
Rumor has it that the questions will suck quite a bit, and that Eden Prairie and Chaska will do really well.

Re: Minnesota '07-'08

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:49 pm
by LeCoqRouge
Where are these rumors of bad questions eminating from? That seems like a possible breach of question security, I'm sure NAQT would like to find out about that.

But I do think Wayzata has significant home-court advantage. They know their high school, while none of the other teams do. This could throw Eden Prairie off their game.