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Re: IHSSBCA Late November Coaches Poll

Post by Tegan » Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:39 pm

Matt Bardoe wrote:There seems to be strong support for Number 1 teams in both classes.

Class A (small schools) total pts mentions # of #1
1. Petersburg PORTA 29 3 2
2. Byron 19 3 0
2. Chicago Latin 19 3 1
This will drive the odds down on Latin, meaning, along with putting money on USC to cream the Illini in Pasadena, it is among the best bets you can make in Vegas these days. Going with a classics theme I boxed the Trojans and the Romans.

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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:16 pm

OK, full results are up and posted in the tournament thread.

http://www.hsquizbowl.org/phpBB2/viewto ... 4434#64434

Caleb - it's great to see that you've found the boards. Welcome! You were agonizingly close to making all-tournament - one tossup away. :( Hopefully next year, it'll be better weather and we can finish the tourney.

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Post by the return of AHAN » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:29 pm

David Riley wrote:Results of the Loyola Middle School Tournament

1. Holy Cross (Deerfield)
2. Lincoln (Park Ridge)
3. St. Emily (Chicago)
4. St. Juliana (Chicago)
After getting drubbed in their first couple of trips to the Barrington Invitational, Holy Cross has gotten progressively better, losing to Rockford West (Auburn) in the consolation championship last year, 225-194. Good for Mrs. Schlax (I assume she's still the coach, right?)!
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Post by Trevkeeper » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:46 am

Does Holy Cross have that 8th grader that is essentially their entire team? I remember moderating for them last year, and I think she was a 7th grader. She was very, very good.

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Post by the return of AHAN » Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:42 am

BarringtonJP wrote:Carmel Frosh/Soph Results (12/1/07)....
[34 Teams]
1.) Chicago Latin
2.) Barrington -A
3.) Palatine Fremd -A
4.) Arlington Heights St. Viator -A
COMPLETE Results of the Carmel Tourney...
VARSITY (42 TEAMS)
1.) Lincolnshire Stevenson (200-115)
2.) Chicago Latin
3.) Libertyville (170-135)
4.) Stevenson/Palatine

quarterfinal scores:
Lincolnshire Stevenson 225 - Oak Park Fenwick A 110
Chicago Latin 265 - Palatine 130
Libertyville 335 - Mundelein Carmel A 60
Stevenson/Palatine 150 - Wheaton Warrenville South A 145

semifinal scores:
Lincolnshire Stevenson 265 - Stevenson/Palatine 50
Chicago Latin 195 - Libertyville 155
NOTE: Wheaton North and IMSA qualified for the afternoon rounds but left early due to weather concerns.

FROSH/SOPH (34 TEAMS)
1.) Chicago Latin (145-70)
2.) Barrington A
3.) Palatine Fremd A (135-90)
4.) Arlington Heights St. Viator A

quarterfinal scores:
Palatine Fremd A 200 - Libertyville 75
Barrington A 135 - Stevenson 60
Arlington Hts St. Viator A 150 - Mundelein Carmel A 90
Chicago Latin 125 - Mundelein 85

semfinal scores:
Barrington A 235 - Palatine Fremd A 115
Chicago Latin 190 - Arlington Hts St. Viator 90
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Post by mlaird » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:09 pm

So I heard Jeff Price mention something about being too tired to go to school today:

http://chicagoist.com/2007/12/04/the_wheels_on_t.php

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Post by the return of AHAN » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:59 pm

mlaird wrote:So I heard Jeff Price mention something about being too tired to go to school today:

http://chicagoist.com/2007/12/04/the_wheels_on_t.php
:razz: You can imagine my surprise when my phone went off with the automated 'school closed' message previously reserved for snow days. My 4-year-old, who loves attending the Early Childhood Center, had a tough time trying to understand how the buses got 'broken'. I didn't have the heart to tell him. He'll learn soon enough about the various sociopaths out there without me laying it bare for him before kindergarten! On the bright side, he went to my classroom with me and was taking a keen interest in the "Pi" chart on the wall, reciting the digits out loud and kept asking if there was a pattern. :shock:
[/personal side story]
I am just thankful this didn't happen next Tuesday when we have a varsity/F-S quad meet in Schaumburg!
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Post by Trevkeeper » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:49 am

A better headline would have been "Buses get Trotsky Treatment."

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Post by leapfrog314 » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:26 pm

Or conversely, perhaps Trotsky was deflated?

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Post by Captain Sinico » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:20 pm

Trotsky was killed with an ice axe, gentlemen; not an ice pick.

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Post by JackGlerum » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:11 pm

Any varsity teams playing this weekend?

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Post by JIrving » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:14 pm

Not WN.

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The Road Warriors

Post by the return of AHAN » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:12 am

Ee gad. Check out the geographical spread of the Bradley-Bourbonnais sectional... Streator/Ottawa to the south suburbs of Chicago down to Champaign and Decatur?

NEW TOPIC: Driving 100 to 150 miles (one-way) to play in a single-eimination scholastic bowl tournament. Discuss.
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Post by Deviant Insider » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:19 am

The Sectionals are round robin. Regionals are single-elimination, but the drives are generally shorter. The big problem is seeding meetings, which take place on weeknights. Most coaches won't drive far to get to a seeding meeting, which is one reason that attendance at them is low.

Teams around Champaign were once placed in the Carbondale Sectional, which is an even farther drive than Bradley (which is also pretty bad). There is no good way to divide schools into Sectionals with approximately the same number of teams without making some people go a long way.
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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:38 am

You want geographic fairness? Take one of those Chicago sectionals away. :)

Seriously though, there are enough issues with the current system to throw the whole thing away. The question is, are we on schedule yet for our annual "Screw the IHSA" conversation, or does that usually wait until second semester?

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Re: The Road Warriors

Post by STPickrell » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:53 am

BarringtonJP wrote:
Ee gad. Check out the geographical spread of the Bradley-Bourbonnais sectional... Streator/Ottawa to the south suburbs of Chicago down to Champaign and Decatur?

NEW TOPIC: Driving 100 to 150 miles (one-way) to play in a single-eimination scholastic bowl tournament. Discuss.
The Northwest Region of VHSL extends from the suburbs of Washington DC down to Roanoke down to Danville (on the VA/NC state line). Region B of the VHSL does much the same thing.

Plus, this is done in every sport (not just Scholastic Bowl).

On the flip side, people don't sit around breathlessly waiting for what district/region they are assigned to. Instead, we have mega-arguments every two years about doing who goes where.

Also, it's really weird. I remember the first year I helped at the VHSL state tournament. One team went two and out, and I expressed some condolence at them traveling five hours to play two games. They seemed happy to be there and didn't have an interest in playing a round robin.

I can see people not wanting to play more than 4 full-length IHSA matches on a school night, or maybe 7-8 IHSA matches on a Saturday. Would people be interested in playing a sub-region round-robin and then a region round-robin?

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Post by the return of AHAN » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:53 am

I'm aware of the IHSA format of round-robin sectionals (on a Saturday, which is nice), but don't they split up teams into regionals based on top 8 seeds, with the highest seeds getting the first chance to host?

Excerpt fromIHSA Terms & Conditions (emphasis added to point out contradicting procedures):
The opportunity to host a regional will be
offered first to the top four (4) teams in each
Sectional.
If the top team is unwilling to host a
Regional, the hosting opportunity will pass to
the next highest seed until all teams are given
an opportunity to host.
12. Regionals that do not have a
host will be cancelled. Do not leave the
seeding meeting without identifying four (4)
hosts. Geography should be considered when
selecting Regional host sites.


:w-hat: ???
My point being if the top 4 teams are all from the Chicago burbs, and they offer to host, won't Danville, Decatur, and Champaign schools all have to travel quite a distance just for regionals? (aside: If that's the case and I'm a coach in that region, I'm caucusing before the seeding meeting with my neighbors to insure the best team from east-central IL, that's also willing to host, gets a bloc of votes) If I'm wrong, David, please set me straight, this being my first year of being more than an observer in IHSA scholastic bowl, so I may simply be out of my depth in initiating this discussion.
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Post by Deviant Insider » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:31 pm

You are correct in one sense: If the top four teams are all close together, and they all want to host, then many of the other teams will be in a bad position. Hopefully, one or two of them can be convinced not to host to better spread things out, and often that is what happens. In that case, the high seed that doesn't host will have a decent drive, but high seeds often have a first round bye that makes the longer drive more reasonable.

In the case of the Bradley Sectional, I strongly doubt that straight voting would produce all four top seeds from the suburbs. The Dunlap Sectional probably is even more spread out (with Quincy and Bloomington, which are about a three hour drive from each other), but my guess is that they will be able to spread the wealth as well. There will be teams that have to drive over an hour each way to lose one match, but those teams will be in the minority.

There have been years when I have taken out a map to see why the IHSA puts teams in Sectionals that are so far apart. Usually, I find that the IHSA splits things up reasonably given the circumstances. Some schools complain that they have a long drive every year, but often those schools have fewer than ten teams in their class less than an hour away.

There are a handful of Class AA schools in the far South, but not enough to form a Sectional. There are the same number around Springfield and Decatur, and when you combine them there are too many teams for a Sectional. There is also Quincy, which is pretty much isolated from other AA schools. Moline has the same problem in the Northwest.

I'm not saying that the IHSA is perfect or that I couldn't do better, but there are legitimate reasons why the Bradley Sectional looks the way it does.
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Post by the return of AHAN » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:42 pm

And to be sure, the IESA has its share of travel issues and gripes. Exhibit A: Millburn West of Lindenhurst; a Class A school that is placed in a sectional where the nearest school is 2 hours away, as there are NO other Class A schools in the 6-county area that play scholastic bowl in the IESA. AA schools? Got 'em in spades, though still not as many as you might expect given the sheer volume of middle schools in Chicagoland (i.e. No New Trier feeder schools... now what's up with dat?)
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Post by Tegan » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:48 pm

If things continue, we'll be able to do an "exotic diseases sweeping through New Trier bonus" ..... pertussis, herpes ..... what's next dengue and the Plague?

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Post by Tegan » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:57 pm

The IHSA went away from sub-sectionals this year, because the administrator in charge was having too much trouble finding hosts. This is good for the Class AA Chicago area teams who are already close enough, and I think are resentful when one sub-sectional is "easy" and the other has many of the good teams. It makes for longer trips down south, though to be fair: if more schools had been willing to host, it likely would have continued.

The single elimination issue is made difficult by the 30 question rounds. If we had rules similar to the IESA, we might be able to do it. This would require adopting a rule which stops the match the moment it is out of hand .... not because of showing mercy, but to keep things moving. On the other hand, it prevents subbing in at times when the match is over.

There is also the money issue. The IHSA has made it clear, in no uncertain terms: if it costs more money, the answer is no. Going to a round robin in the Regional would mean increasing the rounds for Class A schools ....

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Post by mlaird » Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:18 pm

Results from the Davey and Goliath Throwdown II @ Loyola Academy:

1. Stevenson
2. Mundelein
3. Loyola
4. Fremd

Finals:
Stevenson 220 over Mundelein 95
Loyola 192 over Fremd 188

Semis:
Stevenson 170 over Loyola 161
Mundelein ??? over Fremd ???

Quarters:
(1) Fremd 219 over (8) WWS 195
(4) Mundelein 206 over (5) Latin 126
(3) Loyola 296 over (6) Auburn 172
(2) Stevenson 256 over (7) Quincy 194

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Post by JackGlerum » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:30 pm

Team list for NTV?

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Post by JackGlerum » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:11 pm

Thanks
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Post by JackGlerum » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:16 pm

Pretty stiff competition, all the heavyweights... thank god NKC isn't coming.

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Post by cornfused » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:49 pm

I suddenly find myself rooting for Rockford Auburn...

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Post by JackGlerum » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:19 am

haha

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Post by actoftheapostle » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:41 am

cornfused wrote:I suddenly find myself rooting for Rockford Auburn...
Why are you stealing pictures from my facebook?
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:54 am

actoftheapostle wrote:
cornfused wrote:I suddenly find myself rooting for Rockford Auburn...
Why are you stealing pictures from my facebook?
He's an Internet thief.
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Post by cornfused » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:23 pm

Actually, one of my (non-quizbowl) friends found that one a while back... if you want me to change it, I will.

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Post by Jeet » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:23 pm

is there something wrong with stealing facebook pictures?

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Competitive Tournament @ Naperville Central!

Post by NCRedhawksX » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:42 pm

The deadline to sign up for the First Annual Naperville Central Scholastic Bowl Invitational on Saturday January 12th is rapidly encroaching. Teams such as Oswego, IMSA, Maine East, Naperville North, Wheaton Warrenville-South, and Wheaton North, just to name a few, have already signed up. If you are interested in signing up or want more information, please immeadetly contact Hans Muehsler at hmuehsler@naperville203.org.

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Post by Siverus Snape » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:54 pm

Is it stealing if I take it from myself?

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Post by actoftheapostle » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:10 pm

cornfused wrote:Actually, one of my (non-quizbowl) friends found that one a while back... if you want me to change it, I will.
We have matching pictures now
Keep it please
I think it's funny
If any other people want pictures of Siva:
http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos- ... 6_2769.jpg Siva with a Chanel suit
http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos- ... 5_8395.jpg Siva as Gandhi
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Post by JackGlerum » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:18 pm

I can see it now, "Sundaram shows up to Solo in Tutu"

Also, I believe we are goin' to the NC Invite.

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Post by actoftheapostle » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:31 pm

JohnGlerum wrote:I can see it now, "Sundaram shows up to Solo in Tutu"

Also, I believe we are goin' to the NC Invite.
It's not a tutu
We were taking pictures for Euro, and we wanted to recreate the Creation of Adam, with Siva being God, so we decided that we wanted somthing that looked like a robe.
I don't know what we were on; we decided a friend's brother's xc tank top+a skirt looked like a robe, but it ended up looking like a Maria Sharapova tennis dress
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Post by cornfused » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:48 pm

Very nice. I expect to see your whole team dressed like this on Saturday.

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Post by harpersferry » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:57 pm

Woah now. Siva can do what ever he wants in his free time. (Not that there's anything wrong with that) But I draw the line at that uniform. Getting hoodies was enough of a concession.

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Post by cornfused » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:48 pm

unofficial results from New Trier:

1. Wheaton North
2. Rockford Auburn, wearing pants
3. Maine South
4. Loyola

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Post by Tegan » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:01 pm

cornfused wrote:unofficial results from New Trier:

3. Maine South
Reports of their death are, apparently, greatly exaggerated.

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Post by JIrving » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:31 pm

Good tournament today. Kudos to New Trier for a well-run and executed tournament, even though I still dislike that cats question.

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Post by JackGlerum » Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:09 am

I personally found the cats bonus to be quite amusing. New Trier and Aegis did a nice job.

In other news, after watching William Shatner do a television ad for World of Warcraft today, I think the world is coming to an end.

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Post by AKKOLADE » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:12 pm

Mr. T's commercial > Shatner's
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Post by Tegan » Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:26 pm

leftsaidfred wrote:Mr. T's commercial > Shatner's
I'll pretend you didn't say that. A phaser is way cooler than 4500 lbs of gold chain anyway. Mr. T once beat up Rocky. Shatner eats Klingons for lunch.

I'm just walking away ..... as the voices in my head are advising me to do .... for now.

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Post by AKKOLADE » Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:40 pm

Tegan wrote:
leftsaidfred wrote:Mr. T's commercial > Shatner's
I'll pretend you didn't say that. A phaser is way cooler than 4500 lbs of gold chain anyway. Mr. T once beat up Rocky. Shatner eats Klingons for lunch.

I'm just walking away ..... as the voices in my head are advising me to do .... for now.
MAYBE MR T MADE A MOHAWK CLASS

MAYBE MR T IS PRETTY HANDY WITH COMPUTERS AND HACKED INTO THE GAME

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT MR CONDESCENDING COMMERCIAL PRODUCER
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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:00 am

Shatner > Mr. T (mostly on the strength of Billy's seminal album Has Been)

but

Mr. T's WoW commerical >>> Shatner's WoW commercial

Don't lie to yourself, Mr. Egan.

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