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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Stephen Colbert » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:34 am

Tegan wrote:Questions were awful ... maybe not as abyssmal as some tournaments, but they were bad.
Yeah, I'm not so sure a match should ever be decided with a bonus on naming the family members of the Toys-R-Us mascot, no matter how adorable giraffes may or may not be.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by JackGlerum » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:16 pm

Stephen Colbert wrote:naming the family members of the Toys-R-Us mascot
Wow.

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by the return of AHAN » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:13 am

I hear you Nathan. Station out-toss-upped Cary 12-8, but still needed that last toss-up to secure victory :f5: . Reason? The utter inconsistency of the bonuses. We were getting the bonuses like: "Identify these NASCAR drivers by the description of their cars", and "Name the 4 band members of Nickelback", while Cary got easily converted bonuses such as, "Name any 5 of the kingdoms of living organisms", and "Change these percents into fractions in simplest terms: 26%, 60%, etc."

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by harpersferry » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:29 am

BarringtonJP wrote:Name any 5 of the 7 kingdoms of living organisms
Quoted for confusion. Are they combining the 5 kingdom and 3 domain system? Or are they using one of the crazy ones that breaks up the protists?
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Tegan » Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:57 pm

Between the horrific questions and the story of a coach trying to job a team from a win over a cell phone going off, I think I need to try and transfer to the IESA .... that's where all the action is at. :dance:

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by D-SAR » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:53 pm

Very proud of our team. We played well against PORTA in what was essentially the championship match. Led at half and were within 1 question most of the 2nd half until they pulled away on the final 4 questions.

Nickelback and NASCAR...Sounds like BarringtonJP had the same questions we did...Are all regionals the same? We actually nailed all 5 parts of the NASCAR as my top 2 players are also NASCAR fans...I was surprised because sports questions have given us problems all year...I guess being a baseball-basketball-football guy I'm always shocked that more people don't know some of the questions from those sports...

Coldplay...We MUST STUDY UP on Coldplay for next year...Had at least 3 Coldplay questions this year...

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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:02 pm

D-SAR wrote:Coldplay...We MUST GET A NEW QUESTION WRITER for next year...Had at least 3 Coldplay questions this year...
Fixed.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Stephen Colbert » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:23 pm

D-SAR wrote:Are all regionals the same?
Yeah, the questions are the same for all of the regional sites.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by the return of AHAN » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:41 pm

pasedpawn wrote:
BarringtonJP wrote:Name any 5 of the 7 kingdoms of living organisms
Quoted for confusion. Are they combining the 5 kingdom and 3 domain system? Or are they using one of the crazy ones that breaks up the protists?
My bad. I was thinking of a few different questions and combined some! No, it was about the 5 basic kingdoms.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by the return of AHAN » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:32 pm

Stephen Colbert wrote:Complete IESA regional results are up at:

Class A: http://iesa.org/activities/scb/qualifie ... 08&Class=A
Class AA: http://iesa.org/activities/scb/qualifie ... 8&Class=AA

Most surprisingly, the Barrington Station Invitational champs, River Forest Roosevelt, did not advance out of their regional. After seeing them play, I thought they would've been a major contender at the state tournament.
And what about perennial power and #1 seeded Springfield Franklin?? The score of their match vs Auburn was listed as a 301-0 forfeit! So I e-mailed the coach of Franklin and here's how they went down...
"... We had a comfortable lead on Auburn. My co-coach and I wanted to make sure that everyone present at regionals had a chance to play. We took out our starters and proceeded to play everyone on the roster. That day one of the 15 people who we had listed on our roster for regional competition was sick. We had 16 people on our team this year. During the match I accidently put in the player who was not on the roster, a sixth grade student who didn't get a lot of playing time. The moderator caught it. He deducted points from our score made us forfeit the bonus round. The player was taken out of the match immediately. We went on to beat Auburn, and then beat Carlinville for the championship round. At the time I thought that everything was okay. Then on Friday we got a call from IESA telling us that the Carlinville moderator had told them about the rule violation, and then told us that we had to forfeit the match. We appealed, but lost.

Our kids had not lost all year, beating several teams who are currently in sectional competition: PORTA, Jacksonville Turner, Rochester, Normal Medcalf, and other class A schools. We were devastated when we heard the news. I don't know how far we would have gone this year, but I felt that we had a team comparable to the ones in the last 6 years which represented Franklin Middle School at state competition with 2nd, 3rd and 4th place finishes..."

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Stephen Colbert » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:03 am

This situation can be easily avoided by the Stephen Colbert coaching method…

If an incredibly ambitious & infinitely patient coach fields a team with more than fifteen players, somewhere prior the start of the post-season said coach must:

-politely inform his/her players that he/she is limited to only 15 spots on the state series roster, while minimizing hurt feelings, etc.

-inform the non-roster players that, while valuable & integral members of the team, they are to kick said coach in the shins repeatedly if he/she ever tries to play them in a regional/sectional/state match

-give non-roster players fun jobs at regional/sectional matches, like scorekeepers (on the chalkboard), runners, guardians of the coach’s lucky bag, after-match post-it note collectors, concession stand workers, etc., and make players cool t-shirts with flashy logos that in no way look like the team uniform

-if that seems insensitive, allow non-roster players to watch the matches and play along quietly, provided they’re covered in yellow caution tape reminding the coach that in no way should they ever be mistakenly entered into a match

-better yet, host your own regional, especially when highly seeded, to avoid overly officious moderators who insist upon collecting rosters and cross-checking every player who may enter a match by name, especially when not wearing yellow caution tape…these hand-selected moderators may instead focus on important things, like informing the IESA that “mesa” is not a five-letter word or removing especially bad questions about foot odor (I’ve hosted a bunch of regionals & sectionals, and though I have collected team rosters, I’ve never had a moderator ask me for them…is this standard practice at other sites?)

Seriously though, it’s sad to see a team, especially a good one, knocked out of the state series for trying to give everyone a chance to play & simultaneously not embarrassing the pants off of the other team. Is there a legitimate reason for capping rosters at 15 other than “we don’t want to pay for that many ribbons”?
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:17 am

Who in their right mind would ever bring 16 people to come play on one team?
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Tegan » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:34 pm

BarringtonJP wrote: And what about perennial power and #1 seeded Springfield Franklin?? The score of their match vs Auburn was listed as a 301-0 forfeit! So I e-mailed the coach of Franklin and here's how they went down...
"... We had a comfortable lead on Auburn. My co-coach and I wanted to make sure that everyone present at regionals had a chance to play. We took out our starters and proceeded to play everyone on the roster. That day one of the 15 people who we had listed on our roster for regional competition was sick. We had 16 people on our team this year. During the match I accidently put in the player who was not on the roster, a sixth grade student who didn't get a lot of playing time. The moderator caught it. He deducted points from our score made us forfeit the bonus round. The player was taken out of the match immediately. We went on to beat Auburn, and then beat Carlinville for the championship round. At the time I thought that everything was okay. Then on Friday we got a call from IESA telling us that the Carlinville moderator had told them about the rule violation, and then told us that we had to forfeit the match. We appealed, but lost.
Our kids had not lost all year, beating several teams who are currently in sectional competition: PORTA, Jacksonville Turner, Rochester, Normal Medcalf, and other class A schools. We were devastated when we heard the news. I don't know how far we would have gone this year, but I felt that we had a team comparable to the ones in the last 6 years which represented Franklin Middle School at state competition with 2nd, 3rd and 4th place finishes..."
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job (jaub), vt. - meaning to weasel an individual or group out of something that is rightfully their's through a loophole in the rules, or by making up a rule that fits a convenient moment to confuse those whose minds can be easily clouded.

See also: 1972 Olympic Men's Basketball, the Screwjob on Western

What is it with these frickin' middle school people???!! Can't they win a match honestly????

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Tegan » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:37 pm

Sorry ... this frickin' tears it! If I were a MS coach, and I knew that team, that coach would be blacklisted for pulling a stunt like that!

Today we had a long discussion about matching tops. I have never enforced the rule unless someone put my feet to the fire against my own team (yeah ... when challenged, I will enforce it on my own team, but never on another). Some coaches today were aghast that I would not call a team on that. We're here to let the questions decide the frickin' outcome, not the color of Janie's bibskirt of Jim Bob's overalls.

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:30 pm

Man.... you guys have the most interesting set of rules in Illinois.

And by interesting, I mean terrible.

And by rules, I mean ways to screw people over without focusing on which team is actually the best.
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Post by D-SAR » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:55 pm

I feel bad for Franklin, but it is CLEARLY stated in all of the documents about roster limits and that names should be listed on the roster.

It's too bad that Franklin lost on a technicality, but a rule is a rule...

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:55 pm

D-SAR wrote:I feel bad for Franklin, but it is CLEARLY stated in all of the documents about roster limits and that names should be listed on the roster.

It's too bad that Franklin lost on a technicality, but a rule is a rule...
Who cares, it's a stupid useless rule that has nothing to do with actually playing quizbowl.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by AKKOLADE » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:08 pm

D-SAR wrote:I feel bad for Franklin, but it is CLEARLY stated in all of the documents about roster limits and that names should be listed on the roster.

It's too bad that Franklin lost on a technicality, but a rule is a rule...
Rules should serve the purpose of preserving fair play. I do not see how this rule (or so many other Illinois rules) does this. As such, punishing someone for breaking it is inane because the rule itself is inane.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Tegan » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:52 pm

Ukonvasara wrote:it's a stupid useless rule that has nothing to do with actually playing quizbowl.
AHAN Jr. Killer wrote:Rules should serve the purpose of preserving fair play. I do not see how this rule (or so many other Illinois rules) does this. As such, punishing someone for breaking it is inane because the rule itself is inane.
Quoted for absolute truth!

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Stephen Colbert » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:00 am

IESA State Tournament Qualifiers:

Class A
Sectional A Winner: Ottawa St. Columba (2006 state qualifier)
Sectional B Winner: Bloomington Cornerstone
Sectional C Winner: Peoria Heights GS
Sectional D Winner: Paris Crestwood (finished 2nd @ state in 2005)
Sectional E Winner: Carthage (finished 3rd @ state in 2007)
Sectional F Winner: Illiopolis Sangamon Valley
Sectional G Winner: Columbia ICS (2007 state qualifier; 2005 state champs)
Sectional H Winner: Effingham St. Anthony (2007 state qualifier; 4th @ state in 2005)

Class AA
Sectional A Winner: Lincolnshire Daniel Wright (2006 & 2007 state champs)
Sectional B Winner: Rockford West (2004 & 2005 state champs)
Sectional C Winner: New Lenox Liberty
Sectional D Winner: Dunlap MS (2000 state champs)
Sectional E Winner: Macomb
Sectional F Winner: Champaign Jefferson
Sectional G Winner: Rochester (2004 state qualifier)
Sectional H Winner: Newton Jasper County
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Tegan » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:36 am

On a totally unrelated note .... the IHSA Advisory Committee meeting was held today. While some relatively minor issues got cleared up, the big ticket items were all either defeated, or (after a time) just stopped being submitted for a vote because there were only four members present, and two of them voted as a bloc to block any large scale change.

At one point, one read a letter that was filled with well meaning, but totally erroneous information. Sadly, if there had been a seated representative from Chicago, we could have won the day on every vote.

I guess the downstaters prefer their tournaments running until all hours of the night. The downstate (and both Class A) reps voted down two measures that could have made matches move much quicker ..... and despite being presented arguments, felt that they didn't know enough (translation: they don't trust me). By the end, I literally just stopped motioning for a vote because it was clear that these two just didn't care. It really was a shame because when there are no longer writers who write in the Illinois format, someone will ask "why didn't the IHSA do something to help?"

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

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Tegan wrote:I guess the downstaters prefer their tournaments running until all hours of the night. The downstate (and both Class A) reps voted down two measures that could have made matches move much quicker ..... and despite being presented arguments, felt that they didn't know enough (translation: they don't trust me). By the end, I literally just stopped motioning for a vote because it was clear that these two just didn't care. It really was a shame because when there are no longer writers who write in the Illinois format, someone will ask "why didn't the IHSA do something to help?"
I wouldn't know what downstaters do, but would the measures be taken up for a vote at your next meeting so these two individuals could consider the measures? Or could one submit these measures in advance for the agenda for the next meeting?
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by the return of AHAN » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:54 pm

Stephen Colbert wrote:IESA State Tournament Qualifiers:

Class A
Sectional A Winner: Ottawa St. Columba (2006 state qualifier)
Sectional B Winner: Bloomington Cornerstone
Sectional C Winner: Peoria Heights GS
Sectional D Winner: Paris Crestwood (finished 2nd @ state in 2005)
Sectional E Winner: Carthage (finished 3rd @ state in 2007)
Sectional F Winner: Illiopolis Sangamon Valley
Sectional G Winner: Columbia ICS (2007 state qualifier; 2005 state champs)
Sectional H Winner: Effingham St. Anthony (2007 state qualifier; 4th @ state in 2005)

Class AA
Sectional A Winner: Lincolnshire Daniel Wright (2006 & 2007 state champs)
Sectional B Winner: Rockford West (2004 & 2005 state champs)
Sectional C Winner: New Lenox Liberty
Sectional D Winner: Dunlap MS (2000 state champs)
Sectional E Winner: Macomb
Sectional F Winner: Champaign Jefferson
Sectional G Winner: Rochester (2004 state qualifier)
Sectional H Winner: Newton Jasper County
In Class AA, give me Dunlap over New Lenox Liberty (defeated Daniel Wright at the Barringtonian) in the Championship, Daniel Wright over Macomb in the 3rd place match.
Don't know enough about Class A to realistically judge, but any team (Bloomington Cornerstone) that can dispatch Metcalf is always a team to be reckoned with. So let's take them against Columbia ICS in the final. Why ICS? Because ICS used to be an archrival of ours when I coached Cahokia Wirth! And say that Cornerstone wins a squeaker.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Tegan » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:56 pm

ILoveReeses wrote:
Tegan wrote:I guess the downstaters prefer their tournaments running until all hours of the night. The downstate (and both Class A) reps voted down two measures that could have made matches move much quicker ..... and despite being presented arguments, felt that they didn't know enough (translation: they don't trust me). By the end, I literally just stopped motioning for a vote because it was clear that these two just didn't care. It really was a shame because when there are no longer writers who write in the Illinois format, someone will ask "why didn't the IHSA do something to help?"
I wouldn't know what downstaters do, but would the measures be taken up for a vote at your next meeting so these two individuals could consider the measures? Or could one submit these measures in advance for the agenda for the next meeting?

I submitted the m in advance, and they did dod the right thing in polling the people they represent .... and hte people they represent came off with some wrong conclusions.

The ACF style is being reconsiderered next year ... we have that longto convince them. I am just miffed that they claim to trust that I ma doing the rightthing, but then vote it down.

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Post by harpersferry » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:46 pm

Four people? Is that even a quorum? God, the inertia is this state is so unbearable sometimes. "Since we don't know enough, let's just decide to do nothing." If you don't know enough, you don't belong on an AdCo, or you should find out, or you should listen to people who do know.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Deviant Insider » Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:35 pm

I'm going to be lame and take the Glass Half Full position here.

There was one area of progress in IHSA policy yesterday--we now have a sensible hose rule. This is something that Mr. Egan has pushed for several years, and he is in charge of writing the cases that will be used to interpret the rule. We passed a flawed rule two years ago that was not clear enough, backed off last year, and came through this year.

There were also some minor clarifications and some agreements between me and McGraw that will be helpful in the future--listing All-Staters in the IHSA Program, compiling stats at State, agreeing to work on a rules summary that could be posted on both of our websites, and encouragement to spread the word about ACF-style bonuses.

There were no changes passed that were a step backwards. The matching tops rule on the whole was never on the table, and the only decision made was that if somebody discovers mid-match that a sub does not have a matching top, then the sub will have a chance to change shirts without a penalty being assessed.

There were a few things we were hoping to pass but didn't. The most frustrating may be that for the third year in a row we were unable to eliminate Drivers Ed. It was also the most frustrating discussion, since it made some philosophical differences very clear. However, over the years we have diluted the categories enough so that, of the 300/300 questions used during the entire State Tournament, a total of 2/2 should be Drivers Ed. I wish it were 0/0, and we are going to keep trying until it is, but at least it is now under 1%.

The other big change that didn't pass was a switch to ACF-style bonuses. Given how little ACF-style has been used in Illinois, that's not a big surprise. If it had passed, we would have had to deal with a backlash of people wondering why things changed. The idea of changing IHSA format this way is a very new idea that would not have been considered except Aegis decided to run the New Trier Tournament that way. It is not as though lots of schools have been pushing to get rid of IHSA-style bonuses--Maine South, Rockford Auburn, and others have used IHSA-style bonuses in house-written questions in the very recent past. If you want ACF-style to get more consideration, influence whatever tournaments you can to try the format out. It is possible that the change will be made in the next few years.

In a sense, the meeting was a bit frustrating because of the lack of major items on the agenda. Over the past ten years, we have introduced seeding at the Regional level, written the Rule Book and Case Manual almost from scratch, switched from bad questions to decent questions, mandated pyramidal questions, differentiated between major categories and minor categories, made allowances for coaches to make appeals and then for students to be involved in appeals, and taken on a few other big ticket items. The reason we dealt with a lot of minor issues yesterday is that, slowly over time, good sense has prevailed on several major issues. A few good ideas got deferred yesterday, which is what often happens at these meetings, but we'll be back.

Yes--having only four of seven Reps present at a meeting for a committee that meets only once a year is kind of depressing. That's what happens when you put Administrators on a Scholastic Bowl Committee.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by BGSO » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:11 am

If it makes it any better Buffalo Grove is considering hosting a tournament not much different from NT varsity. Bgmslchamps (ugh), and I are trying to convince our coach to host one though who knows if it would actually happen.

Right now the plan would probably be to purchase NAQT questions (and adjust the format to be more like IHSA bounce back, 5 people per side etc.), or write them in house, with the first being more likely. Hopefully we'll be able to do it though I'm not optimistic.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Stephen Colbert » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:52 am

BarringtonJP wrote:In Class AA, give me Dunlap over New Lenox Liberty (defeated Daniel Wright at the Barringtonian) in the Championship, Daniel Wright over Macomb in the 3rd place match. Don't know enough about Class A to realistically judge, but any team (Bloomington Cornerstone) that can dispatch Metcalf is always a team to be reckoned with. So let's take them against Columbia ICS in the final. Why ICS? Because ICS used to be an archrival of ours when I coached Cahokia Wirth! And say that Cornerstone wins a squeaker.
Yeah, I don't really know much about most of these teams, but here goes some completely random prognostication...for what it's worth, I think Dunlap & Cornerstone are both pretty good picks to win.

In Class A, Pool A will be the pool of death, with no team escaping completely unscathed. Bloomington Cornerstone will start perfect, defeating both Ottawa St. Columba & Illiopolis Sangamon Valley, before being upset by Paris Crestwood. Crestwood will win early against Illiopolis before falling to a scrappy St. Columba on the last question. Illiopolis will go winless, but will be comforted by the coolness of their town's name. Crestwood will advance to the state final & Cornerstone to the third/fourth place match. In Pool B, Carthage, grateful they don't have to open against Streator St. Anthony like last year, will come out of the gate on fire and go undefeated in pool play. Columbia ICS will easily dispense of Peoria Heights and Effingham to make the third/fourth place game. Paris Crestwood will defeat Carthage to win the state championship and Cornerstone will prevail over ICS in perhaps the first ever Protestant v. Catholic third/fourth match.

In Class AA, I've actually seen three of the teams play, but I remain just as clueless. Dunlap was incredibly impressive at Metcalf, so I'll take them to win first over, let's go with the relatively unknown Champaign Jefferson, only b/c I started my college career in the same town. And I will go with Lincolnshire Daniel Wright avenging its earlier loss to New Lenox Liberty to take third place.

Surely this can't go any worse than picking Georgetown to win the NCAA tournament. Unless Newton Jasper County is the next Davidson.
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Post by David Riley » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:16 am

BGSD: If you are thinking of hosting a tournament, then have your coach email me at driley@loy.org as soon as possible--the calendar is almost full (already!).
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David Riley wrote:BGSD: If you are thinking of hosting a tournament, then have your coach email me at driley@loy.org as soon as possible--the calendar is almost full (already!).
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There's a calendar up somewhere?

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I love how the IESA somehow saw fit to mention my team in the press release (shoot me an e-mail if you want the gory details of how we lost). Funny how so few top seeds made it through (though Franklin should have been there, too) in Class AA (with unseeded Rockford West getting through!?!), but in Class A the seeds held pretty true.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Stephen Colbert » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:39 pm

BarringtonJP wrote:Funny how so few top seeds made it through (though Franklin should have been there, too) in Class AA (with unseeded Rockford West getting through!?!), but in Class A the seeds held pretty true.
I think Rockford West was both a beneficiary of an incredibly easy sectional and being way under-rated (as in not at all). I haven't seen Minooka play, but both regional winners Coal City & Reed Custer would've struggled to win a match in several other regionals. Their only real challenge was probably against an above average DeKalb Huntley.
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Post by Deviant Insider » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:57 pm

Last year's calendar is here. If you're interested in seeing or getting on the calendar for the upcoming season, contact Riley. The next calendar will go up in about two weeks.

Another reason for Buffalo Grove to get its act together in a hurry: If you are going to do a modified NAQT event, you will have to negotiate with them, and they may not agree with your plans. If you are going to write your own questions, you should start dividing up the chores and getting some writing done before the end of the school year to see if it is a realistic goal for you. If you can't get some questions written in advance, then don't host a tournament, because nobody wants to play matches on questions thrown together at the last second.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Trevkeeper » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:40 pm

ReinsteinD wrote:If you can't get some questions written in advance, then don't host a tournament, because nobody wants to play matches on questions thrown together at the last second.
What sort of hole-in-the-wall tournament would finish the questions less than three hours before the tournament started?
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Post by JackGlerum » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:49 pm

Trevkeeper wrote:What sort of hole-in-the-wall tournament would finish the questions less than three hours before the tournament started?
Hmmmm...

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Post by Tegan » Thu May 01, 2008 12:38 am

JohnGlerum wrote:Hmmmm...
Nice to see they let you out of the cage .....

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Post by JackGlerum » Thu May 01, 2008 8:08 pm

Tegan wrote:Nice to see they let you out of the cage .....
You think I'm bad? You should see Mr. Riley after a Loyola loss...

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by Stephen Colbert » Fri May 02, 2008 8:20 pm

IESA Class A & AA State Tournament Results:

Class A

Pool A:
Ottawa St. Columba 184
Bloomington Cornerstone 255

Paris Crestwood 241
Illiopolis Sangamon Valley 153

Ottawa St. Columba 235
Paris Crestwood 169

Bloomington Cornerstone 238
Illiopolis Sangamon Valley 140

Ottawa St. Columba 249
Illiopolis Sangamon Valley 167

Bloomington Cornerstone 240
Paris Crestwood 200

Pool B:

Peoria Heights GS 194
Carthage 187

Columbia ICS 155
Effingham St. Anthony 173

Peoria Heights GS 120
Columbia ICS 246

Carthage 148
Effingham St. Anthony 127

Peoria Heights GS 210
Effingham St. Anthony 195

Carthage 165
Columbia ICS 269

Championship: Bloomington Cornerstone 172 v. Columbia ICS 143 (as predicted by Mr. Price)
Consolation: Ottawa St. Columba 117 v. Peoria Heights GS 151

Class AA

Pool A:

Lincolnshire Daniel Wright 284
Rockford West 224

Dunlap MS 205
Rochester 256

Lincolnshire Daniel Wright 305
Dunlap MS 194

Rockford West 300
Rochester 182

Lincolnshire Daniel Wright 303
Rochester 192

Rockford West 298
Dunlap MS 224

Pool B:

New Lenox Liberty 137
Macomb 274

Champaign Jefferson 252
Newton Jasper County 171

New Lenox Liberty 229
Champaign Jefferson 208

Macomb 278
Newton Jasper County 91

New Lenox Liberty 261
Newton Jasper County 200

Macomb 281
Champaign Jefferson 221

Championship: Lincolnshire Daniel Wright 161 v. Macomb 238
Cnsolation: Rockford West 261 v. New Lenox Liberty 108
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by the return of AHAN » Fri May 02, 2008 10:27 pm

BarringtonJP wrote:In Class AA, give me Dunlap over New Lenox Liberty (defeated Daniel Wright at the Barringtonian) in the Championship, Daniel Wright over Macomb in the 3rd place match.
Well, I couldn't have been more wrong about Dunlap. Apparently, it WOULD'VE made a difference if I'd have had the two kids taking ACT's that day they took us to the woodshed.
I had 3/4 of the top 4, but not in the right order at all. Congratulations to Macomb. I was beginning to wonder if IESA schobowl was becoming all about the northern schools, especially when I saw Daniel Wright slaughter Rochester and Dunlap.
BarringtonJP wrote: Don't know enough about Class A to realistically judge, but any team (Bloomington Cornerstone) that can dispatch Metcalf is always a team to be reckoned with. So let's take them against Columbia ICS in the final. Why ICS? Because ICS used to be an archrival of ours when I coached Cahokia Wirth! And say that Cornerstone wins a squeaker.
IESA wrote:Class A Championship: Bloomington Cornerstone 172, Columbia ICS 143
Damn, I'm good! Apparently I know more about Class A than Class AA!
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Post by Siverus Snape » Sat May 03, 2008 7:08 pm

Way to go, West! Let's hope that middle school success in Rockford continues to lead to high school success. :)
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by mlaird » Wed May 14, 2008 2:30 pm

C'mon guys, we need to talk about something. Only twelve (eleven now!) more posts until we hit 1,000 for this topic!

We need a good transition into the Illinois 08-09 thread:

Who is going to be good next year?

What will Team Illinois do at PAC?

How will the Illinois teams going to Nats do at Nats?

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Post by cornfused » Wed May 14, 2008 3:56 pm

mlaird wrote:What will Team Illinois do at PAC?
Finals, but not top two. Dorman will be representing South Carolina, and the Maryland team looks pretty scary. Admittedly, though, it's a bit of a crapshoot.

So - how's the PAC team jelling at practice?
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by aestheteboy » Wed May 14, 2008 4:52 pm

cornfused wrote:
mlaird wrote:What will Team Illinois do at PAC?
Finals, but not top two. Dorman will be representing South Carolina, and the Maryland team looks pretty scary. Admittedly, though, it's a bit of a crapshoot.

So - how's the PAC team jelling at practice?
Really? I think Illinois and Florida are the two clear favorites at this point. Somehow I doubt that SC or Maryland would do that well.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed May 14, 2008 5:03 pm

SC is Dorman, though, right?
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Post by Matt Weiner » Wed May 14, 2008 5:04 pm

leftsaidfred wrote:SC is Dorman, though, right?
Dorman is really, really good at quizbowl and at demonstrating the depth of their academic knowledge.

Thus, we have no idea whether Dorman will be good at PAC or not.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed May 14, 2008 5:06 pm

Fred, I can say firsthand that Daichi is right, just because it's one of the top teams int he country on good quizbowl doesn't automatically imply they will excel at this format (especially if they don't have a math player, which I don't really know). In my experience I found myself punished for having depth by the format.
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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by JackGlerum » Wed May 14, 2008 5:19 pm

Is there a lot of math at PAC? If so, I wonder if anyone is better than Greg.

I gotta think Illinois will be pretty good, but I've heard crazy things about Dorman.

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Re: Illinois '07-'08

Post by dtaylor4 » Wed May 14, 2008 5:20 pm

Math is one of the majors, just like it is in Illinois.

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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed May 14, 2008 6:30 pm

Right, it's not real quiz bowl. But there is something of a correlation between real quiz bowl talent and level of performance at PAC - that's why I questioned the statement of 'oh and I doubt South Carolina will do much.'
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Post by aestheteboy » Wed May 14, 2008 7:10 pm

Well, from my experience, the two most important factors to excel at PAC are first familarity with the format and second math/science skills (not knowledge). The depth of knowledge in the humanities is not too important because the answer selection is relatively limited, pyramidality is essentially non-existent, and most questions become buzzer races. Really, it's the math and the science that make the difference.
I wasn't sure if Dorman had math/science specialists, but I was fairly sure that Dorman wouldn't focus much on this format. Hence the earlier statement.
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Post by ClemsonQB » Wed May 14, 2008 7:15 pm

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