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2007 PACE NSC prognostication thread

Post by First Chairman » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:17 am

The goal is to finish in the top 3 in your division for championship play on Sunday. Here is the link to the prelim schedule. All rooms are in Mason Hall, but I would like to assign them when we're there.

And to remind everyone, the 12 teams in the top bracket will be reshuffled into the two six-team quarterfinal divisions before single-elimination semifinals of the top 2 from each playoff group. The arrangement of who goes into which playoff group is not absolutely fixed, though we deliberately avoid rematches between the top 2 in each prelim group.
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Post by Byko » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:27 am

Tom, you'll have to adjust the schedule slightly. You misspelled Berenson (not Berensen).
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Post by Byko » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:34 am

The preliminary round pools are now posted on the PACE website.
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Post by rchschem » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:29 pm

Yea, certainly they are all brackets of death.

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Post by The Toad to Wigan Pier » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:36 pm

In my opinion, the Yost Division will end up being the hardest. Having Moravian, MLK, Eden Prairie, and TJ B in the same bracket will be interesting.(All were among the tied for 13th at the HSNCT)

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Post by vcuEvan » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:20 pm

Kind of sad that of the four teams Brindlee Mountain, Gonzaga, New Trier and Maggie Walker, one won't make the playoffs. Same with Moravian, MLK, Eden Prairie, and TJ B, which I agree is the hardest.

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Post by Djibouti » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:40 pm

Personally, while the Yost Bracket should be the most interesting bracket (four NAQT 13T teams), I see the Schembechler division as the hardest (TJ A - 3, Dorman - 4, DCC A - 8T, State College B - 21T, Brindlee Mountain B - 21T). It will certainly be interesting to see who emerges atop the Yost bracket. And as said, it is a National Championship, so all brackets will be loaded.


EDITED to reflect that State College B and Brindlee Mountain B actually finished tied for 21st at NAQT's National Championship.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:54 pm

State College B and Brindlee Mtn B tied for 21st, I thought. Actually, I know BM was.
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Post by Djibouti » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:01 pm

Yeah, you're right. Still, a bracket with TJ, Dorman, and DCC and two 21T teams is very strong. I stand by what I said earlier, but the Yost division, with four teams that tied for 13th at NAQT, will be very strong as well. Not that I'd expect anything else from a National Scholastic Championship.

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Post by quizbowllee » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:32 pm

After Brindlee Mountain B upset Brindlee Mountain A at NAQT, there has been a roster change. So, BMHS A should be a stronger team than they were at the HSNCT. Consequently, BMHS B will be a weaker (but still competitive team). I DON'T think BMHS B will be able to make the playoffs in that pool... But, I also didn't think BMHS B would beat BMHS A, either.

Last year the top 4 from each pool made the playoffs, but there were only 3 pools. It's going to be tough this year for sure. The pool with BMHS A, Gonzaga, Maggie Walker A, and New Trier has several teams that didn't attend the HSNCT, so I know little or nothing about them.

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Files to download for NSC

Post by First Chairman » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:51 pm

Links to various files to download... available for a week.

Detailed NSC Rules 2007: http://senduit.com/991e39 or http://www.pace-nsc.org/rules2007.pdf

PACE NSC 2007 Rosters (updated): http://senduit.com/9ef365

PACE NSC 2007 Scoresheet (updated): http://senduit.com/4678b7

PACE NSC 2007 Program Booklet (updated): http://senduit.com/32bd30
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Post by BuzzerZen » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:00 pm

Hm, my name is printed as "Eric" in the PACE history thing on page 12 of the program. I also had no idea I was a "young crusader"...didn't think Jews were allowed to crusade.
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Post by First Chairman » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:05 pm

Thanks for catching that. At least I haven't sent this to photocopy yet. Corrected booklet link: http://senduit.com/32bd30 .
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Post by sabine01 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:15 pm

BuzzerZen wrote:Hm, my name is printed as "Eric" in the PACE history thing on page 12 of the program. I also had no idea I was a "young crusader"...didn't think Jews were allowed to crusade.
Oy! *smiles*

Historically, "Young Ambassador" and "Young Crusader" have been used interchangeably to refer to the recipient of that particular Cooper award. No offense intended there (if any was taken, I apologize..)

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Post by BuzzerZen » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:20 pm

None taken, of course. I'm just bemused. :-)
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Post by sabine01 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:31 pm

BuzzerZen wrote:None taken, of course. I'm just bemused. :-)
Definitely do see the irony in that matchup though... *lol* Just making sure...
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Post by First Chairman » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:34 pm

Well, rest assured, we still keep "Young Ambassador" on the plaque. :grin:
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Post by Kechara » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:06 am

sabine01 wrote: Historically, "Young Ambassador" and "Young Crusader" have been used interchangeably to refer to the recipient of that particular Cooper award.
Who the heck started that? When Tom and I came up with the idea, it was the "young" version of the regular Cooper, and the regular Cooper doesn't get called a "crusader"...
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Post by BuzzerZen » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:24 am

Thread hijack +1 for me...

Getting back to prognosticating, I prognosticate that the most likely division winners are Gov, State College, MLK, and either us or Dorman. (Don't care to jinx that one.) I think though that if Doug manages to cool down on the negs a bit, Stuy has a chance to beat State College, especially since Barry and Francois are going to be MIA this weekend. Anyway, I'm excited.
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Post by porcupine » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:23 am

I think that we (East Lansing) got lucky in the divisions. State College, Styvesant, and Garfield Heights are solid, but the other divisons are all significantly harder. The only problem is that there are a whole bunch of teams that weren't at Chicago, so there's always the chance that one of them turns up really strong.

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Post by quizbowllee » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:12 am

porcupine wrote:I think that we (East Lansing) got lucky in the divisions. State College, Styvesant, and Garfield Heights are solid, but the other divisons are all significantly harder. The only problem is that there are a whole bunch of teams that weren't at Chicago, so there's always the chance that one of them turns up really strong.
I'm glad you said that. I didn't want to be the first to point out that one pool (yours) seemed a little less intense than the others.

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Post by mistermoravian » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:13 pm

I'm glad that others have recognized the beastliness that is Yost! It's a darn shame that only three teams per grouping can qualify for the playoffs.

If anyone from MLK, TJ B, or Eden Prairie is lurking on this thread, be assured that our team (Moravian) hasn't practiced together AT ALL since NAQT HSNCT! Our two sophomores had finals galore (that's how my 5 APs/$415 of misery paid off), and our token senior was preoccupied with graduation plans.

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Post by rchschem » Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:17 pm

BuzzerZen wrote:None taken, of course. I'm just bemused. :-)
I'm not offended, either.

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Post by First Chairman » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:07 pm

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sabine01 wrote: Historically, "Young Ambassador" and "Young Crusader" have been used interchangeably to refer to the recipient of that particular Cooper award.
Who the heck started that? When Tom and I came up with the idea, it was the "young" version of the regular Cooper, and the regular Cooper doesn't get called a "crusader"...
Right. The Ambassador is more of a "lifetime achievement award" while the Crusader is more of a "young advocate award." We wanted to find a way to recognize "younger" people for what they have done for the circuit.
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Post by killbill_07 » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:05 pm

I personally think that the Berenson division is a lot stronger than the Yost Division. There are absolutely no B teams at all in this division(obviously some schools have beastly B teams like TJ but still) and having to upset Maggie Walker A, New Trier, and Gonzaga is an extremely daunting task for all the other teams in the Berenson division.

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Post by quizbowllee » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:40 pm

killbill_07 wrote:I personally think that the Berenson division is a lot stronger than the Yost Division. There are absolutely no B teams at all in this division(obviously some schools have beastly B teams like TJ but still) and having to upset Maggie Walker A, New Trier, and Gonzaga is an extremely daunting task for all the other teams in the Berenson division.
I also believe that the Berenson division is the toughest. It'll be a challenge. Hopefully we'll be up to it.

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Post by Djibouti » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:07 pm

I personally think that the Berenson division is a lot stronger than the Yost Division. There are absolutely no B teams at all in this division(obviously some schools have beastly B teams like TJ but still) and having to upset Maggie Walker A, New Trier, and Gonzaga is an extremely daunting task for all the other teams in the Berenson division.
I have Berenson as the best bracket top to bottom, Schembechler as the most loaded bracket, and Yost as a close second for the hardest (which may or may not make any sense). Still, in any bracket, having to upset Maggie Walker A, New Trier, and Gonzaga; State College, Stuyvesant, and East Lansing; TJ A, Dorman, and DCC A; and Eden Prairie, Moravian, TJ B, and MLK Magnet is an extremely daunting task. In Yost, a team could potentially beat one of the "powerful four" and still not make the playoffs. Then again, a team could beat Brindlee Mountain A/B and still not make the playoffs. It's a national championship, and as such, a team will be challenged for most every win. The Crisler Division, which everyone seems to agree is the easiest, still has State College (#2 at NAQT, and although missing two of their top two players, still reload from a loaded "B" team), Stuyvesant (13T), East Lansing (13T), Maggie Walker B (33T), and Garfield Heights (49T). And all divisions feature strong teams that did not go to NAQT Nationals (Perry Hall hopefully being one of them, knock on wood).

Analysis aside, as a member of Perry Hall's contingent, I'm looking forward to arriving in Ann Arbor tomorrow to compete in our school's (heck our county's, heck any non-PG, Howard, Montgomery county's) first national championship. It will be a challenge, but one to which I definitely look forward.

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Post by DrakeRQB » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:39 pm

Djibouti wrote:Analysis aside, as a member of Perry Hall's contingent, I'm looking forward to arriving in Ann Arbor tomorrow to compete in our school's (heck our county's, heck any non-PG, Howard, Montgomery county's) first national championship. It will be a challenge, but one to which I definitely look forward.
It's our first as well, and we're in your pool. Should be a tough task playing those teams; we're looking forward to the challenge.
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Post by aestheteboy » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:13 am

I predict thus:
Berenson: Gov, New Trier, Gonzaga
Crisler: State College, East Lansing, Stuyvesant
Schembechler: Dorman, TJA, DCC
Yost: MLK, Eden Prairie, TJB
in that particular order.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, though. I'm looking forward to see a lot of upsets.

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Post by mistermoravian » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:44 am

Yost: MLK, Eden Prairie, TJB
Oof, denied! :roll:

(I'd probably make the same prediction if I weren't so biased!)

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Post by Djibouti » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:48 am

I predict thus:
Berenson: Gov, New Trier, Gonzaga
Crisler: State College, East Lansing, Stuyvesant
Schembechler: Dorman, TJA, DCC
Yost: MLK, Eden Prairie, TJB
in that particular order.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, though. I'm looking forward to see a lot of upsets.
I'll boldy predict Gonzaga beats Maggie Walker in the prelims (what's the fun in predicting everything to go by order?), although Maggie Walker will win it all. Otherwise, I agree with the above predictions, although I too hope they are wrong, and I think Moravian could definitely play itself into the playoffs. Yost is going to be interesting, because I foresee the top 4-5 beating each other, causing a fun tiebreaker situation and 1-2 of those teams, after winning one of those matches, finding itself on the outside of the Championship Playoffs.

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Post by porcupine » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:51 am

I agree with what has been said with a couple of exceptions. I think that Moravian will be in the top 3 in Yost and that Garfield Heights will beat Stuyvesant in Crisler, primarily because those teams can have a lot of potential on more difficult questions.

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Post by BobGHHS » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:48 pm

Thanks for the faith in us... although Stuy beat the crap out of us at HSNCT... so I dunno.
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Post by vcuEvan » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:19 pm

Keep in mind TJ B isn't at full strength either. Naren, Michael and the Fans aren't there which leave a lot of gaps to fill.

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Post by AKKOLADE » Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:08 pm

Where have all the live updates gone?

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Post by MLafer » Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:46 pm

In my bracket MLW A was in 1st, Gonzaga 2nd and New Trier 3rd. Yeah that's not really much info

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Post by Deviant Insider » Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:49 pm

That's enough info for me. Thanks.

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