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EVERY TROPHY NAQT MAKES WILL GO TO MICHIGAN TEAMS
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Agreed. That one guy on East Lansing is a beast. I think that these two teams must have tired out during the playoffs this year at Nationals, because they played like monsters earlier in the tournament. They may be the underrated dark horses that cut the rug out from under everybody.jdd2007 wrote:DCC and East Lansing should be really good.
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DCC should be weaker next year because they lose basically their entire A team albeit 1 player. However, they do have a knack of getting progressively better as the year moves along so they can't be counted out. Based on this year's NAQT stats, East Lansing also appears to lose basically every member of their team next year except for Kurtis so it should be interesting to see how they do. Still, Kurtis is the top performer of his team by an extremely large margin so EL's success has and will continue to hinge upon his individual performance anyhow.
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As a (graduated) East Lansing player, I think that EL will be very good next year. Kurtis will be learning physics, and will continue to study hard.
DCC will be good by the end of the year, like always, and Novi should be good as well.
Does anyone know anything about GPN or Troy for next year?
The team I am most curious about, however, is DCD. They were good at the tournaments they came to, but did not attend NAQT and didn't make it out of the first round robin at PACE. Who (if anyone) do they return?
DCC will be good by the end of the year, like always, and Novi should be good as well.
Does anyone know anything about GPN or Troy for next year?
The team I am most curious about, however, is DCD. They were good at the tournaments they came to, but did not attend NAQT and didn't make it out of the first round robin at PACE. Who (if anyone) do they return?
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I'm pretty sure DCD graduates both of their top two seniors this year so next year will most likely be a rebuilding year for them. Troy graduates their entire A team including Kareem so it's up in the air whether they will even compete next year because they don't seem to have a Quiz Bowl infastructure(JV and novice teams) set up.
GPN is a very young team from what I have seen so they will be terrific next year if they continue to improve and should be competitive with the likes of East Lansing, Novi, and DCD because they are the only solid team among the aforementioned that don't graduate anybody.
GPN is a very young team from what I have seen so they will be terrific next year if they continue to improve and should be competitive with the likes of East Lansing, Novi, and DCD because they are the only solid team among the aforementioned that don't graduate anybody.
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I'm going to go ahead and guess that EL, DCC, Troy, Novi, and DCD will continue to be quite good. A lot of schools graduated some outstanding seniors, but I think that everyone will still be strong.
As everyone has pointed out, we (EL) have just graduated most of our varsity team. Kurtis is going to continue to get beastier, naturally... and some of us JV/semiVarsity folk are hoping to improve during the summer months. The team we put forward next year will be very different, very interesting, and hopefully good. (/two cents)
As everyone has pointed out, we (EL) have just graduated most of our varsity team. Kurtis is going to continue to get beastier, naturally... and some of us JV/semiVarsity folk are hoping to improve during the summer months. The team we put forward next year will be very different, very interesting, and hopefully good. (/two cents)
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Next Year
I think that DCD will be a very powerful force next year. At KMO states, their team that won the B division was mostly sophmores, so they should not be taken lightly. East Lansing will most likely be a one-man team next year unless the lower-classmen steps ups to the challenge. Kurtis is a great player, but if he is off of his game, then there may be some problems. I'm not too sure about White Cloud being a major force next year, even though they did get 5th in the small school tournament at NAQT nationals. I don't know how many players graduated, so please leave a comment.
A lot of relatively-new programs, such as Hartland or West Bloomfield or Mercy, may become major teams next year if they put in the dedication and work over the summer and next year.
A lot of relatively-new programs, such as Hartland or West Bloomfield or Mercy, may become major teams next year if they put in the dedication and work over the summer and next year.
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I'm a graduated Novi player and I believe we had 6 active senior quiz bowl players this year who will no longer be there obviously next year. However, the underclassmen on our team are much better players than our graduating senior class in my opinion and we have a solid core of 3 players returning next year from the A team including our captain, who is and always has been undisputedly the best player on our team by far.
Although it's too early to predict anything, I think that Novi might be the team to beat next year because a lot of other schools in the state like DCC, DCD, and Troy seem to have a bit of team rebuilding to do next year while we basically start off where we left off in the past year. Of course, things tend to change rapidly and consistently good programs like DCC seem to do well by the end of the year no matter what so who knows. Good luck and have fun playing quiz bowl next year everyone!
Although it's too early to predict anything, I think that Novi might be the team to beat next year because a lot of other schools in the state like DCC, DCD, and Troy seem to have a bit of team rebuilding to do next year while we basically start off where we left off in the past year. Of course, things tend to change rapidly and consistently good programs like DCC seem to do well by the end of the year no matter what so who knows. Good luck and have fun playing quiz bowl next year everyone!
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I disagree. I think that DCD will be the team to beat. At KMO states, most of their team was sophs. and they won the B division. However, I do not attend DCD, so I don't know how many exactly they are graduating. EL will probably be a one-man team next year because not only is Kurtis smart, he is pretty quick on the buzzer too. DCC is losing most of their A team except a soph., who was their best player at NAQT nationals.
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GPN should be solid if they travel a little more, but EL and DCC should have the field covered all year. I see Troy, DCD, GPN in that second tier. after that I would say Churchill, Novi, Kent City, White Cloud, and Hartland have potential. I also thin West Bloomfield may be decent. After that there is a huge drop off.
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Didn't Kent City go 1-9 last year at Nationals?emactruman wrote:GPN should be solid if they travel a little more, but EL and DCC should have the field covered all year. I see Troy, DCD, GPN in that second tier. after that I would say Churchill, Novi, Kent City, White Cloud, and Hartland have potential. I also thin West Bloomfield may be decent. After that there is a huge drop off.
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Just to let everyone know, there is a tournament in White Cloud on October 20th. I'm pretty sure this is the first tournament in Michigan for the 07-08 season. The tournament is kind of wierd because the questions kinda stink and they have a recognition rule. I think a lot of teams are coming this year, so we'll see how it goes.
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That grouping system is completely innacurate by the way. DCD graduated basically all of their competitive players besides one this year so they will probably start out one notch below the tier 1 teams, not to say they won't rise to the occasion by the end of the year like they usually do. The same applies to DCD as they graduated their entire A team this year besides this one freshman kid who can basically only do math. Ditto for Troy as well. Kent City is several magnitudes worse than even Churchill and Hartland, let alone Novi. EL and Novi are the two best teams this year in MI(read my post above with some reasons why) followed by GPN/DCD and then by Troy/Hartland/White Cloud. Teams beyond these in Michigan are hardly worth discussing.emactruman wrote:GPN should be solid if they travel a little more, but EL and DCC should have the field covered all year. I see Troy, DCD, GPN in that second tier. after that I would say Churchill, Novi, Kent City, White Cloud, and Hartland have potential. I also thin West Bloomfield may be decent. After that there is a huge drop off.
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Huh, what happened to Catholic Central? Unless you were typoing or something.
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As East Lansing's captain, I thought that the White Cloud tournament was well-run and fun to play on. The short tossups were not ideal and bonus difficulty was variable, but on the whole the questions were not too bad. I didn't see much competition as of yet, but I think that DCC just had a bad round when they played us.
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Re: Next Year
As a former White Cloud quizbowl member, the team has lost two seniors from last season, as well as other people that have moved from the team.mceschermaniac4 wrote:I think that DCD will be a very powerful force next year. At KMO states, their team that won the B division was mostly sophmores, so they should not be taken lightly. East Lansing will most likely be a one-man team next year unless the lower-classmen steps ups to the challenge. Kurtis is a great player, but if he is off of his game, then there may be some problems. I'm not too sure about White Cloud being a major force next year, even though they did get 5th in the small school tournament at NAQT nationals. I don't know how many players graduated, so please leave a comment.
A lot of relatively-new programs, such as Hartland or West Bloomfield or Mercy, may become major teams next year if they put in the dedication and work over the summer and next year.
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Based on the latest tournament results it seems as though (to start) that EL and Novi are the teams to beat--both have strong, veteran leadership and have been at the hallmark of Michigan quizbowl over the past few years.
DCC has graduated several veteran players and thus didn't place at Dearboan.
Troy on the other hand graduated their captain Kareen, yet still have enough young talent to place at Dearborn.
See you all on Dec 8.
DCC has graduated several veteran players and thus didn't place at Dearboan.
Troy on the other hand graduated their captain Kareen, yet still have enough young talent to place at Dearborn.
See you all on Dec 8.
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I have no firsthand knowledge of MI whatsoever, but DCC managed to twice beat NKC at a tournament this year. Maybe the full lineup wasn't at this other event? Also, what was the format? If the format was a joke then perhaps results are less than meaningful.Based on the latest tournament results it seems as though (to start) that EL and Novi are the teams to beat--both have strong, veteran leadership and have been at the hallmark of Michigan quizbowl over the past few years.
DCC has graduated several veteran players and thus didn't place at Dearboan.
Troy on the other hand graduated their captain Kareen, yet still have enough young talent to place at Dearborn.
See you all on Dec 8.
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That was at our Earlybird tournament. It's pretty much ACF, but with bounceback bonuses.DumbJaques wrote: I have no firsthand knowledge of MI whatsoever, but DCC managed to twice beat NKC at a tournament this year. Maybe the full lineup wasn't at this other event? Also, what was the format? If the format was a joke then perhaps results are less than meaningful.
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Seems that nobody looks at the other conferences, especially the ones in Southeast Michigan. The Mega Conference looks like it could come out of nowhere.
I'd say the teams that could surprise people in this conference (being in this conference myself) are Trenton, Huron, and Wyandotte. They're all pretty close in skill, each having their own advantages. Trenton is pretty balanced, Wyandotte is fast, and Huron has a wide knowledge base. Taylor Truman is lurking around, too.
One thing about the Mega Cofnerence is that their format's kind of weird. Whether this will buff or nerf them in cross-format play, I'm not sure.
To conclude the blowing of our own horn conference-wise, will someone from Mega knock off Novi, DCC, DCD, or EL? Probably not. But it'd be cool to have another contender in the arena. Hartland tournament will probably be a good indicator.
I'd say the teams that could surprise people in this conference (being in this conference myself) are Trenton, Huron, and Wyandotte. They're all pretty close in skill, each having their own advantages. Trenton is pretty balanced, Wyandotte is fast, and Huron has a wide knowledge base. Taylor Truman is lurking around, too.
One thing about the Mega Cofnerence is that their format's kind of weird. Whether this will buff or nerf them in cross-format play, I'm not sure.
To conclude the blowing of our own horn conference-wise, will someone from Mega knock off Novi, DCC, DCD, or EL? Probably not. But it'd be cool to have another contender in the arena. Hartland tournament will probably be a good indicator.
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Results from the 12/1/07 Hartland tournament:
1. Okemos
2. DCC
3. Novi
4. Brighton
Okemos beat Novi in the semifinals while DCC beat Brighton.
In the championship game, Okemos beat DCC by a score of 335-55.
In the consolation game, Novi beat Brighton by a score of 245-105 in a game which featured buzzer issues that nearly resulted in me flinging myself out of a third story window.
East Lansing, DCD, and GPN were among the notable teams not in attendance.
This tournament was played on Patrick's Press questions and as such probably don't indicate anything about how good the above teams are at real quizbowl, other than those probably being the best four teams in some order as far as I could tell.
The question set was a mix of "easy canonical HSQB stuff compressed into bad one-line tossups" and "random garbage not worth knowing, much of which would never come up on real questions" with 4/4 computational math sliced into each 20/20 TU/B packet at predictable intervals (every 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th tossup). There were also multiple repeats including a couple of verbatim ones, like asking for August Strindberg off of a "Miss Julie" clue in back-to-back packets! There was also a question which claimed that "Mr. October" was the nickname of noted baseball player JESSE JACKSON.
I only read for Novi and DCC once, but on the few questions that contained stuff people should actually know, they were both quite solid. I didn't get to read for Okemos but from what I heard the insanely math-heavy distribution really helped them out.
All-in-all the first NAQT tournament will be a million times better at indicating how good the Michigan teams are both overall and in relation to one another.
Brighton, who I think played some kind of split-squad today, seemed like a capable second-tier team. I don't think they'll surprise East Lansing, DCC, or Novi or such on NAQT questions, but they could be among the "best of the rest" as it were. Also, they gave me a brownie.
Questions aside, the tournament seemed okay. The teams seemed to take the terrible questions in stride. Even teams like DCC and Novi, who play a lot of legit tournaments and had every right to be furious with the questions, were really good-natured and able to laugh at how absurd some of this stuff was. I plan on suggesting (for whatever effect that'll have) a vendor change for next year.
1. Okemos
2. DCC
3. Novi
4. Brighton
Okemos beat Novi in the semifinals while DCC beat Brighton.
In the championship game, Okemos beat DCC by a score of 335-55.
In the consolation game, Novi beat Brighton by a score of 245-105 in a game which featured buzzer issues that nearly resulted in me flinging myself out of a third story window.
East Lansing, DCD, and GPN were among the notable teams not in attendance.
This tournament was played on Patrick's Press questions and as such probably don't indicate anything about how good the above teams are at real quizbowl, other than those probably being the best four teams in some order as far as I could tell.
The question set was a mix of "easy canonical HSQB stuff compressed into bad one-line tossups" and "random garbage not worth knowing, much of which would never come up on real questions" with 4/4 computational math sliced into each 20/20 TU/B packet at predictable intervals (every 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th tossup). There were also multiple repeats including a couple of verbatim ones, like asking for August Strindberg off of a "Miss Julie" clue in back-to-back packets! There was also a question which claimed that "Mr. October" was the nickname of noted baseball player JESSE JACKSON.
I only read for Novi and DCC once, but on the few questions that contained stuff people should actually know, they were both quite solid. I didn't get to read for Okemos but from what I heard the insanely math-heavy distribution really helped them out.
All-in-all the first NAQT tournament will be a million times better at indicating how good the Michigan teams are both overall and in relation to one another.
Brighton, who I think played some kind of split-squad today, seemed like a capable second-tier team. I don't think they'll surprise East Lansing, DCC, or Novi or such on NAQT questions, but they could be among the "best of the rest" as it were. Also, they gave me a brownie.
Questions aside, the tournament seemed okay. The teams seemed to take the terrible questions in stride. Even teams like DCC and Novi, who play a lot of legit tournaments and had every right to be furious with the questions, were really good-natured and able to laugh at how absurd some of this stuff was. I plan on suggesting (for whatever effect that'll have) a vendor change for next year.
AwesomeDolemite wrote:There was also a question which claimed that "Mr. October" was the nickname of noted baseball player JESSE JACKSON.
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Mr. Claw,Bearclaw wrote:No it doesn't.a-slice-of-cake wrote:Seems that nobody looks at the other conferences, especially the ones in Southeast Michigan. The Mega Conference looks like it could come out of nowhere.
You use the word contender very loosely.a-slice-of-cake wrote:I'd say the teams that could surprise people in this conference (being in this conference myself) are Trenton, Huron, and Wyandotte. They're all pretty close in skill, each having their own advantages. Trenton is pretty balanced, Wyandotte is fast, and Huron has a wide knowledge base. Taylor Truman is lurking around, too.
One thing about the Mega Cofnerence is that their format's kind of weird. Whether this will buff or nerf them in cross-format play, I'm not sure.
To conclude the blowing of our own horn conference-wise, will someone from Mega knock off Novi, DCC, DCD, or EL? Probably not. But it'd be cool to have another contender in the arena. Hartland tournament will probably be a good indicator.
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I see. Now I feel completely moronic. *troutslaps self*mceschermaniac4 wrote:NAQT states will be at U of M Ann Arbor this year. I assume KMO States will be at MSU like always.a-slice-of-cake wrote:
Wonder how the State tournament at MSU's going to be...
Thanks, Fred. I mean, I know it's a rework on the definition of long shot, but it would be fun to have someone pull a George Mason in MIQB. Preferably someone I know.
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Re: Michigan 07-08
Here are the Rube Tournament results (East Lansing February 23) if anyone cares.
I'm not really too sure about the third and fourth place results in both divisions, so feel free to correct me.
Varsity:
1) DCC
2) EL
3) Novi
4) GPN
JV:
1) GPN
2) DCC
3) Andover
Varsity used an NAQT packet and JV used something else, so its probably house-written
I'm not really too sure about the third and fourth place results in both divisions, so feel free to correct me.
Varsity:
1) DCC
2) EL
3) Novi
4) GPN
JV:
1) GPN
2) DCC
3) Andover
Varsity used an NAQT packet and JV used something else, so its probably house-written
Re: Michigan 07-08
What happened to the official tournament thread? Was there ever one? It's not in the archives.
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Re: Michigan 07-08
GPN finished third.mceschermaniac4 wrote:Here are the Rube Tournament results (East Lansing February 23) if anyone cares.
I'm not really too sure about the third and fourth place results in both divisions, so feel free to correct me.
Varsity:
1) DCC
2) EL
3) Novi
4) GPN
JV:
1) GPN
2) DCC
3) Andover
Varsity used an NAQT packet and JV used something else, so its probably house-written
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Re: Michigan 07-08
University of Michigan Dearborn Classisc Results:
1) DCD
2) DCC A
3) DCC B
4) EL
1) DCD
2) DCC A
3) DCC B
4) EL
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Re: Michigan 07-08
What was the format of this tournament? Did DCC and EL have their full teams?mceschermaniac4 wrote:University of Michigan Dearborn Classisc Results:
1) DCD
2) DCC A
3) DCC B
4) EL
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Re: Michigan 07-08
Kurtis was not there for EL, and neither was another starter (Priya).
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