Weekend of Quizbowl Goodness?

Dormant threads from the high school sections are preserved here.

Would your team be interested in attending this wholesome, fun-filled event?

Heck yes, even if there isn't any free cheese!
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This sounds awesome, but I have doubts based on scheduling/logistics/finances (please explain in the thread or email me)
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I might be interested, but I have some major questions about the format or structure (again, please explain)
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I am not interested due to financial/logistical/scheduling reasons (are you sure you can't be persuaded?)
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This sounds like an awful idea (please explain why?)
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I don't coach/play for a high school quizbowl team (then why are you voting in the poll???)
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Post by DumbJaques » Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:59 pm

Would the weekends of March 15 and March 22 both be ok for everyone? So far they're the only ones I have without conflicts.
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Post by DrakeRQB » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:14 pm

DumbJaques wrote:Would the weekends of March 15 and March 22 both be ok for everyone? So far they're the only ones I have without conflicts.
March 15 MIGHT be the date for NCOAST, our state championship. However, that's far from being nailed down.
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Post by jonah » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:08 am

DumbJaques wrote:Would the weekends of March 15 and March 22 both be ok for everyone? So far they're the only ones I have without conflicts.
If it's an even choice between those two, the 22nd is better for us because the IHSA State tournament is on the 14th and some time to reload might be nice. But if it's the 15th I'd still want to go.

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Post by DumbJaques » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:18 am

On a Friday?
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Post by Magister Ludi » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:36 am

I'm wondering would people prefer to have the literature tournament be singles of doubles?

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Post by Stat Boy » Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:35 am

Doubles so I wouldn't have to play against Shantanu.
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Post by gonzagaeagleahy » Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:25 pm

March 22nd is like right before easter. Half of our team will be in Florida. March 15th is a musical performance for us but i'm sure we could still make it b/c we're still in the area.
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Post by gonzagaeagleahy » Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:28 pm

Magister Ludi wrote:I'm wondering would people prefer to have the literature tournament be singles of doubles?
I'd like either
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Post by jonah » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:12 pm

DumbJaques wrote:On a Friday?
Yeah. I forget the reasoning. But more importantly, pi day!

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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:27 pm

I thought it had something to do with Casimir Pulaski Day. Which has to be the most retarded holiday to make a big deal over.

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Post by Trevkeeper » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:41 pm

Regionals is the one that got pushed back to Tuesday, as that Monday is Casimir Pulaski day. And yeah, state is likely being moved to that Friday, though I forget why. It may or may not have something to do with it coinciding with the basketball state finals.

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Post by jonah » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:52 pm

Trevkeeper wrote:It may or may not have something to do with it coinciding with the basketball state finals.
That sounds familiar. It's probably right.

And I think we all already knew that Charlie Dees is the devil incarnate of the midwestern states.

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Post by catsasslippers » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:37 am

It should definately be the 22nd. I have only selfish reasons for wantng this (i.e. I can't come the fifteenth), but I thought I'd put that out there anyway.

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Post by dyetman89 » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:29 am

I'm with my esteemed teammate on this one - 22nd is best for me as well.
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Post by DumbJaques » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:13 pm

This tournament will almost definitely happen on March 22. Currently, nobody has mentioned that date as not working for them, and I'm very hopeful it stays that way.

I'm awaiting word back from NAQT on getting a set for Sunday. As soon as we finalize where at least one set of our questions are coming from, we'll formally announce. But go ahead and mark the date.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:02 pm

What about using the Illinois Novice 2008 set? That tournament was in March, right?
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Post by mistermoravian » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:34 pm

DumbJaques wrote:This tournament will almost definitely happen on March 22. Currently, nobody has mentioned that date as not working for them, and I'm very hopeful it stays that way.
Sorry for being a spoilsport, but isn't that the weekend of Easter? I happen to be Jewish, but there's also a conflict with my Spring Break plans. Nevertheless, I hope that my *Christian* school can attend somehow!

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Post by RSido » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:38 pm

I think my spring break conflicts then too- a lot of schools schedule spring break that week, so you may have trouble across the board.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:47 pm

The only good players are jews or other non-christians so who cares about the rest am i rite?
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Post by DumbJaques » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:53 pm

It does appear that this tournament date conflicts with Jesus. In that case, I'll seriously need to reassess it - in all probability we might go with the March 15 fallback.

If you are on the updated interest list, or even if you're not but are interested in this tournament, please email me regarding the two dates (at volkov3000@yahoo.com). Specifically, I'm interested in:
1) Can you come on the 22nd? Can you come on the 15th?
2) What are the obstacles for those dates?
3) Would you expect your team might be significantly reduced in strength on the 22nd?
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Post by dyetman89 » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:02 pm

Sirs: Why the hell would spring break conflict with the quiz bowl tournament? Has the world gone mad?
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Post by btressler » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:37 pm

Regrettably, the traditional date of the Blue Hen at the University of Delaware is the third Saturday of March. After thinking it over, I do not believe we have flexibility in our date due to the television tournament and other non-quizbowl competitions that use the same buildings. (And the last time I tried an April event, nobody registered.)

The overlap between the Blue Hen and this event would probably be small. We might lose 1 or 2 of the Maryland/D.C. teams.

Charter will still consider coming to Sunday's tournament depending on the question set being used.

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Post by Howard » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:52 pm

I'd consider Newark, DE close enough (1.5 hours) to be an undesireable overlap. By the same token, I'm probably a small amount further north than the tournament location. If Chris, too considers this more overlap than is desired-- he'd surely lose the Charter teams and us (not that losing us is a tremendous crisis), as well as probably the northern Maryland teams-- another date should probably be considered. Blue Hen date has already been announced on the NAQT website, and requesting someone move off a date they've already chosen is just plain poor form.
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:54 pm

Well, what other date is there?
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Post by btressler » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:03 pm

Just to be clear, I'm OK with Chris' tournament being on the same day, and even with the same question set. I was just pointing out that there will be a small potential overlap between the tournaments.

Last year, Blue Hen's field was predominantly (going to be before snow) Delaware, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. And a certain Long Island school.

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Post by aestheteboy » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:56 pm

so... what was the reason that February dates and earlier March dates were deemed undesirable besides that they might coincide with some tournaments?
It's probably inevitable that the tournament overlaps with some tournament somewhere in the nation. It's only logical to avoid the ones that are close to the location and the ones that you know will hurt the field.
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Post by DumbJaques » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:53 pm

From the data I have:

Feb 2: Robinson Invititational, a little sooner than I'd really like to run the tournament.
Feb 9: Gonzaga Tournament, ACT date
Feb 16: Solon's two-day tournament
Feb 23: Possible, although I believe Eden Prairie's running a trash tournament that day (and that it coincides with VHSL states)
March 1: SAT date, Dennis Haskins
March 8: Right Triangle Open
March 15: Charter
March 22: Jesus
March 29: Kind of late, though if it works. . .

The dates I'm least opposed to right now, I suppose, are Feb 16, Feb 23, March 8, and March 15. If there are events to add to this list please let me know, and please let me know if these dates are dealbreakers for you.


ust to be clear, I'm OK with Chris' tournament being on the same day, and even with the same question set. I was just pointing out that there will be a small potential overlap between the tournaments.

Last year, Blue Hen's field was predominantly (going to be before snow) Delaware, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. And a certain Long Island school.
I'm not aware of any non-Charter DE teams (or teams from NJ, or teams from PA that aren't State College) that have expressed interest in our tournament. Still, I certainly want both of our fields to be at their top strength. I'll try to pick the best solution for the most teams (on a related note, Bill, if you're planning on making this a "Charter E" day, I'd like to know since that represents six teams instead of just one or two).
I'd consider Newark, DE close enough (1.5 hours) to be an undesireable overlap. By the same token, I'm probably a small amount further north than the tournament location. If Chris, too considers this more overlap than is desired-- he'd surely lose the Charter teams and us (not that losing us is a tremendous crisis), as well as probably the northern Maryland teams-- another date should probably be considered. Blue Hen date has already been announced on the NAQT website, and requesting someone move off a date they've already chosen is just plain poor form.
Not that anything has been decided yet, but I will say our leading candidate is definitely closer to you than Wilmington. As has been discussed at exceptional length in this thread, we're trying to find a date that works for teams from 15+ states. . . there are bound to be overlap. I'd like to know why anything I did is "poor form" or whatever that means. The date marked on the NAQT is listed as "tentative," and all I ever did was ask how tentative it was. It's not as if I tried to muscle anyone out of a date, which leads me to wonder what exactly I did that you find to be in "poor form."
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Post by catsasslippers » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:07 pm

It seems like the 22nd isn't still up for discussion, but I'd just like to point something out. Most schools( or so I assume, I know NYC public schools do) have Good Friday off. It would make traveling to a tournement much easier for teams, and it might help to draw teams from farther away because they would have the time they'd need to travel comfortably. It would also keep a lit singles tournement Friday night from going too late into the evening.

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Post by Howard » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:51 pm

DumbJaques wrote:I'd like to know why anything I did is "poor form" or whatever that means. The date marked on the NAQT is listed as "tentative," and all I ever did was ask how tentative it was. It's not as if I tried to muscle anyone out of a date, which leads me to wonder what exactly I did that you find to be in "poor form."
You've done nothing that would be poor form. I was speaking generally. It's clear that you've made no such request for Blue Hen to move, and I apologize if there was anything less than clear about that in my post.

I also see that you're correct about "this date is tentative." This is a subtlety I apparently neglected to notice due to my inability to read. At this point, I'm pretty much sorry I even began my last post in this thread.

In any event, here are my thoughts about the dates:
2/16 -- Solon's far enough away that you'll have very small overlap. Actually, I wouldn't even consider this a conflict.
2/23 -- Running against VHSL can be a killer. I got blindsided by VHSL a couple years ago, and had exactly one Virginia school enter.
3/8 -- Ditto Solon above.
3/15 -- This is the beginning of spring break for some school systems (including ours). Due to family travel, etc., I'd think you're turnout is likely to suffer on this date.
3/29 -- I'm guessing this is the end of spring break for some school systems. I'd expect low turnout for the same reasons as 3/15.

Hope that helps. Regardless, we'll put you on our schedule on whatever date you choose.
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Post by STPickrell » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:58 pm

VHSL states will be on the 1st of March this year. I am 99% sure this will be the case, I will get the other 1% of verification later.

(EDIT: This change is not yet official. The Executive Committee meets on September 18, and will likely approve this change by a vote of something to zero. Let's just say I'd be surprised if they don't approve it.)
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:09 am

Howard wrote:
DumbJaques wrote:I'd like to know why anything I did is "poor form" or whatever that means. The date marked on the NAQT is listed as "tentative," and all I ever did was ask how tentative it was. It's not as if I tried to muscle anyone out of a date, which leads me to wonder what exactly I did that you find to be in "poor form."
You've done nothing that would be poor form. I was speaking generally. It's clear that you've made no such request for Blue Hen to move, and I apologize if there was anything less than clear about that in my post.

I also see that you're correct about "this date is tentative." This is a subtlety I apparently neglected to notice due to my inability to read. At this point, I'm pretty much sorry I even began my last post in this thread.

In any event, here are my thoughts about the dates:
2/16 -- Solon's far enough away that you'll have very small overlap. Actually, I wouldn't even consider this a conflict.
3/8 -- Ditto Solon above.
Sir, did you notice that he said he's scheduling this for teams from +15 states? I can tell you that some of those states include Ohio, and people who would attend something in North Carolina. Remember, this is not just some normal Maryland tournament.

As for the Spring break/Easter discussion, I can disprove the notion that lots of schools schedule their spring break then, as basically every school I've ever been to (from 4 different states) hasn't scheduled spring break to overlap Easter. I also know of many, many more who don't, so I'm not actually certain how much this affects things. Also, as Stuy people noted, wouldn't scheduling it during spring break actually help this because people won't have to juggle their school schedules and this tournament?
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Post by STPickrell » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:24 am

charlieDfromNKC wrote:
As for the Spring break/Easter discussion, I can disprove the notion that lots of schools schedule their spring break then, as basically every school I've ever been to (from 4 different states) hasn't scheduled spring break to overlap Easter. I also know of many, many more who don't, so I'm not actually certain how much this affects things. Also, as Stuy people noted, wouldn't scheduling it during spring break actually help this because people won't have to juggle their school schedules and this tournament?
Easter would be a factor in some players' and coaches' decisions to attend/not attend. Some of the religious schools may actually forbid travel over the Triduum.

As for Spring Break, some schools are utterly unable to do anything over a break, whereas others would be more likely to attend a distant tournament over a break. If the tournament is announced far enough in advance then teams who really want to go can go -- and this seems to be becoming a 'destination' tournament. I hope it can be repeated in future years.

As stated above, it is 95% certain that VHSL states will be moved to March 1 due to a conflict at W&M on the 23rd. Unfortunately the decision will not be official until the Exeuctive Committee approves it in two weeks. I do not see any reason VHSL states wouldn't return to the 'last weekend in February' for 2009.

The weekend before VHSL states has typically had some tournaments with very strong fields; the Cav Open 2005 was one of the strongest non-nationals in my remembrance.

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Post by btressler » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:26 am

Stat74 wrote:Regrettably, the traditional date of the Blue Hen at the University of Delaware is the third Saturday of March. After thinking it over, I do not believe we have flexibility in our date due to the television tournament and other non-quizbowl competitions that use the same buildings.
Actually, I have to take back something that I said. I just found out that one of the aforementioned events (State Science Olympiad) could be March 15 this year. Let me see how this impacts the Blue Hen, but there is a chance we actually would want to move to March 8.

And technically the tournament above should read "University of Delaware". They are the host, but I am the TD that handles registration.

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charlieDfromNKC wrote:Sir, did you notice that he said he's scheduling this for teams from +15 states? I can tell you that some of those states include Ohio, and people who would attend something in North Carolina. Remember, this is not just some normal Maryland tournament.
I did indeed notice. But if you're looking to not conflict with any other event in 15 states and not choose a date that's poor for some other reason, I'd say it's time to not bother with the tournament. No such date exists. What I've done is given my thoughts based on my personal experiences. I'm sure Chris will attempt to choose the date which is best for as many teams as possible. And this will require him to consider how many potential teams he stands to lose no matter what date he chooses. Trust me, Chris isn't just going to jump up and pick 2/16 or 3/8 just because I think they're likely to be the best. I wasn't attempting to tell him what to do, but rather simply give my thoughts.
charlieDfromNKC wrote:As for the Spring break/Easter discussion, I can disprove the notion that lots of schools schedule their spring break then, as basically every school I've ever been to (from 4 different states) hasn't scheduled spring break to overlap Easter. I also know of many, many more who don't, so I'm not actually certain how much this affects things. Also, as Stuy people noted, wouldn't scheduling it during spring break actually help this because people won't have to juggle their school schedules and this tournament?
Your logic doesn't follow. Just because you can list many school systems that don't schedule spring break around Easter doesn't mean that it's impossible to list many that do. As a counter-example, every school system with which I have experience has indeed scheduled spring break either the week before or the week after Easter. Again, I'm relating my experience that scheduling within a week of Easter seems to result in lower turnouts in our region. I'll leave it up to Chris to determine whether he thinks the dates in question here will suffer the problems I think they will.
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Post by DumbJaques » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:41 pm

In that case, does Feb 23 not work for anyone? I know there's that Eden Prairie event (I was hoping to get some people from EP and Wayzata), so if March 15 ends up not going down at UD I'd probably prefer to do it then, but a backup would be nice.

As soon as we finally pick a date a formal announcement will go out. We'll also be announcing our host and probable question sources (WRITE BACK TO ME NAQT). Perhaps then this thread will stop making the baby Jesus cry.
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Post by BobGHHS » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:37 pm

Any Ohio teams would be out, February 23 is the Copley Invitational, the biggest tournament in Ohio... and the last 4 state champs have won this tournament, so I doubt anyone wants to miss (even though I hate OAC)
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Post by brownboy79 » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:04 pm

The 23rd is Governor's Cup. I feel sure that I sent you those dates in an effort not to be in this situation. I understand if you don't have a choice, but please please, our team is really excited and I think the rest of the state is too.

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Post by Mike Bentley » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:52 pm

Maybe you should just send out a big poll to every team that might be interested asking them to check all dates that they can come and all dates that they can't. It seems hard to keep track of it just by going through this thread.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:11 pm

Steroid McBlooddoper wrote:Maybe you should just send out a big poll to every team that might be interested asking them to check all dates that they can come and all dates that they can't. It seems hard to keep track of it just by going through this thread.
Additionally, it would prevent arguments of "my date of unavailability is more important than your date of unavailability!"
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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:02 pm

Also, the 23rd is UIUC's NAQT tournament, which NKC was planning on attending, along with prorbly a couple Illinois teams who have expressed interest in the Chris Ray Extravaganza.
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Post by Trevkeeper » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:06 pm

Plus, isn't the UIUC NAQT tournament the same day as the IL NAQT State Qualifier at Loyola?

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Post by millionwaves » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:30 pm

Trevkeeper wrote:Plus, isn't the UIUC NAQT tournament the same day as the IL NAQT State Qualifier at Loyola?
We checked with Mr. Riley about that, and I believe that he said that he wasn't using that date this year. Unless that's changed, we don't have any conflicts that I'm aware of.
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Post by Trevkeeper » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:13 am

Weird, I would have thought the season schedule would have been changed to reflect that, then. Dunno.

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Post by Deviant Insider » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:23 am

The IHSSBCA Tournament Schedule is updated all the time when hosts change their date or whether their tournament is happening. The last time it was updated was yesterday, and it shows Loyola and UIUC hosting NAQT tournaments on the same day.
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Post by First Chairman » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:29 am

I also can try to host if I know I'll have staff to help out if you want to do this as a rehearsal for NSC. Just tell me ahead of time.
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Post by DumbJaques » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:20 pm

Given the developments with UD's event, I am very inclined to set March 15 as the date for this event. As far as I know that isn't a conflict for anyone - if it is, please let me know ASAP. We are very close to locking down question sets and a site, so an announcement should be imminent, upon which we will begin taking registration.
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Post by Golran » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:27 am

I would love to go, but my team (along with some other NY teams) would be slightly depleted because of New York's Science Olympiad state competition. Also, my coach doesn't really like to do out of state trips, so basically we only go to LIFT and the Hills West Tournament, so that would be preventing us. I might try to muster my own team from those that are left and have one of our parents drive, like I did to go to the Yale FaCT.

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