DATE CHANGE:Prison Bowl I @ Hunter Coll HS, NY, NY (1/19/08)

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DATE CHANGE:Prison Bowl I @ Hunter Coll HS, NY, NY (1/19/08)

Post by Sir Thopas » Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:13 pm

Hunter (known to its students as the Brick Prison, so don't be scared off by the name) will be holding its first annual (hopefully) tournament on January 19, 2008. The location is right in the middle of Manhattan, so it's a good opportunity who'd like to check out the city in addition to quizzin' the bowl.

The tournament format will be a modified ACF format. Simply put, that means there will be 20 tossups, and each correct tossup will earn a team the chance to answer bonus questions. Each tossup will be worth 10 points, and 15 if gotten sufficiently early (aka "powers"). If a team buzzes in before the question is totally read and incorrectly answers, they will lose 5 points. Each bonus will be worth a total 30 points, and will be non-rebounding. The questions are being cowritten by the North Kansas City HS and Hunter College HS teams. The co-editors are Charlie Dees and I. The questions are adhering to solid ACF principles of writing and Jerry Vinokurov's awesome guide.

The prelims will be swiss paired, and the playoffs will be done in a way such that anyone who loses in the first round will get to play other games, either double elimination or some round-robin setup, we'll have to see. In either case, we shall be taking advantage of the school's networking and Smartboard setup, so expect much less latency and human error than usually occurs, to the best of our abilities.

Dr. Chuck approving, this will hopefully be a PACE qualifier.

Pricing system is as follows:
$70 for a school's first team, $60 for other teams thereafter
-$10 for buzzers
-$10 for travelling >200 miles (as determined by Google Maps)

The cap will probably be around 40 teams, but we'll have a more exact number when/if we approach that number.

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Post by BobGHHS » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:17 pm

Pardon me for being sarcastic, but you're holding your tournament on a Monday?

EDIT: I just noticed that the title date and date listed are different...
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Post by Sir Thopas » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:35 pm

BobGHHS wrote:Pardon me for being sarcastic, but you're holding your tournament on a Monday?

EDIT: I just noticed that the title date and date listed are different...
Heh, fixed, thanks.
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Post by Devon13 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:49 am

Barring some unforseen circumstances, Ward Melville High School would like to bring (at least) 1 team this January.

What will be the costs associated with the tournament?

Thanks, and we look forward to attending.

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Post by Sir Thopas » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:29 am

Devon13 wrote:Barring some unforseen circumstances, Ward Melville High School would like to bring (at least) 1 team this January.

What will be the costs associated with the tournament?

Thanks, and we look forward to attending.
Pricing structure has been edited into the top post. Thanks, and I hope to see you there! Email me if you have further questions.

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Post by moskatoe » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:05 pm

Hello, everyone!

I just posted the event on facebook: http://hs.facebook.com/event.php?eid=6695073195

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Post by First Chairman » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:45 pm

PACE qual approved! [thud of stamp]
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Post by Sir Thopas » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:09 pm

Will Run PACE for Reese's wrote:PACE qual approved! [thud of stamp]
Awesome, thanks. :D

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Post by Devon13 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:01 pm

metsfan001 wrote:
Devon13 wrote:Barring some unforseen circumstances, Ward Melville High School would like to bring (at least) 1 team this January.

What will be the costs associated with the tournament?

Thanks, and we look forward to attending.
Pricing structure has been edited into the top post. Thanks, and I hope to see you there! Email me if you have further questions.
In all likelihood, we'll be there. How can I (we) get from Penn Station to HCHS. I think you guys are closest to the 96th street Station on the Green line?

Thanks,
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Post by moskatoe » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:36 pm

Devon13 wrote: How can I (we) get from Penn Station to HCHS. I think you guys are closest to the 96th street Station on the Green line?
You would have to get off at the 96th Street station for the 6 train. Detailed directions here: http://www.hopstop.com/?action=route_pr ... agv5hqkhg7

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Post by Devon13 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:26 pm

Much Thanks

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Post by Devon13 » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:03 am

Though it will probably be easier to just take a cab.

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Post by moskatoe » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:03 pm

Haha...then you won't get to be a hardcore straphanger ;P

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Post by Devon13 » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:12 pm

One last question: What time will the tournament start?

Thanks.

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Post by Sir Thopas » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:45 pm

Devon13 wrote:One last question: What time will the tournament start?

Thanks.
*shrug* At a reasonable time, depending on where people are coming from and stuff. We haven't decided yet.

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Post by Ondes Martenot » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:17 am

hey guy,

it looks the bergen academies wil be sending 1-2 teams, not quite sure yet

i'll let you know when im sure

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Post by Sir Thopas » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:57 am

We're considering moving this up a week because 1/26 is an SAT date. Thoughts?

In any case, I should be sending out the mass email within the next couple of days, because I've been putting it off for no real reason lol.

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Post by Gonzagapuma1 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:31 pm

metsfan001 wrote:We're considering moving this up a week because 1/26 is an SAT date. Thoughts?

In any case, I should be sending out the mass email within the next couple of days, because I've been putting it off for no real reason lol.
YES, Gonzaga would definitely be there if you did that.

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Post by segregold » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:45 pm

We're considering moving this up a week because 1/26 is an SAT date.
RM is more likely to come on 1/26. I wouldn't be able to come on the 19th, personally, and I'm not sure that we would send a team.

Either way, New York is three and a half hours away, so don't plan the tournament around our attendance.

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Post by Sir Thopas » Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:01 pm

OK, so it looks like we're leaning toward moving it up a week. I'll make the official announcement tomorrow either way.

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Post by r pirrie » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:43 pm

E. O. Smith (Storrs CT) would like to send some teams but wouldn't be able to make 1/19 (middle of semester exams). At any rate, can you give us a contact for your coach, or are you the coach? Thanks

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Post by TheCzarMan » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:24 pm

When you make the official entry forms and release the rules and information, email it to theczar1724@gmail.com please?
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Post by Sir Thopas » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:34 pm

So we have decided to move the tournament up a week after all and, pending administrative approval, we'll be advertising it through various internets. Email me at metsfan001@gmail.com to register or if you have questions.

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Post by Siow52 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:59 pm

Any chances of a field update?

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Post by Ondes Martenot » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:14 pm

who should we make a check out to?

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Post by Sir Thopas » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:18 pm

Siow52 wrote:Any chances of a field update?
* Bergen County × 4
* Colonia × 2
* Gonzaga
* Half Hollow Hills West × 2 (still awaiting confirmation . . .)
* St. Peter's × 2
* Stuyvesant × 5
* Trinity
* Ward Melville

The check can be made out to Hunter College High School; I'll send out an email with Subway, etc. directions to all teams tomorrow.

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Post by Ondes Martenot » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:55 pm

results after a long day

1. stuyvesant a
2.gonzaga
3. bergen a
4. hhw a

top scorers
1. doug yetman-stuy a
2. someone from gonzaga who's name i forgot
3. watson ladd-bergen a

biggest negger-watson ladd, bergen a

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Post by The Infanta » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:58 pm

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Post by Ondes Martenot » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:01 pm

i think so

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Post by aestheteboy » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:07 pm

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Post by Sir Thopas » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:30 pm

Yeah, that link is correct.

Thanks everyone for coming, and for bearing with us when things got rough, although I'd like to think that things picked up more later in the day, and that the questions were good.

I'll provide more detailed stuff tomorrow, assuming I can find the playoff scores (I think I have most of them somewhere). That link is just prelim stats.

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Danny Zhu of Stuyvesant A also got the "There is no shame, only points" certificate by getting the tossup on Jinx. =)

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Post by The Atom Strikes! » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:51 am

aarcoh wrote: 3. watson ladd-bergen a

biggest negger-watson ladd, bergen a
Wait, is that this Watson Ladd?
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Post by Ondes Martenot » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:55 am

that's watson alright
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Post by Ondes Martenot » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:58 am

that youtube video contains references to some of his best or worst negs of all time, depending on how you look at it
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Post by The Atom Strikes! » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:13 pm

I'm very impressed. Anybody who can neg more than Guy does is a hero in my eyes.
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Post by Sir Thopas » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:01 pm

SwissBoy wrote:I'm very impressed. Anybody who can neg more than Guy does is a hero in my eyes.
:sad:




Then again, he had about 17 negs more than I did on Saturday.

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Post by The Atom Strikes! » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:45 pm

I think that Charlie might have some competition in the "most negs" category at this year's Nationals.
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Post by Sir Thopas » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:48 pm

SwissBoy wrote:I think that Charlie might have some competition in the "most negs" category at this year's Nationals.
Hey, he only beat me by 1 neg last year. I, however, am actually trying to get my neg count down . . .

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Post by Ondes Martenot » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:59 pm

watson had 15 negs at nationals in 2007
if he attempts to have the most negs at nationals this year he'll be coming home in a body bag
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Post by BuzzerZen » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:30 pm

I'd like to thank Guy for being Taft's first paying customer. (Now just $25 per tournament!)
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Post by Sir Thopas » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:34 pm

BuzzerZen wrote:I'd like to thank Guy for being Taft's first paying customer. (Now just $25 per tournament!)
Whoops, yeah, I forgot to email you back about that.

It worked like a dream, making it really easy to compile and look at the stats. A++ would buy from again.

Also: if you could somehow make it do Swiss pairing, it would make things just that much easier. If not maybe I could get my tech people to work no a localized program for next year, because saving that five minutes would save some chance for things to go wrong. Other than that, awesome.

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Post by The Atom Strikes! » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:15 pm

aarcoh wrote:watson had 15 negs at nationals in 2007
if he attempts to have the most negs at nationals this year he'll be coming home in a body bag
The fact that he got 17 negs in a five-round tournament doesn't bode well for his survival then (extending this to a 10-round prelim like NAQT nationals, he'll have 34 negs!)
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Post by ieppler » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:20 pm

aarcoh wrote:watson had 15 negs at nationals in 2007
if he attempts to have the most negs at nationals this year he'll be coming home in a body bag
I hope that you never play on a team with Dan Leifer.
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Post by Ondes Martenot » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:04 pm

will the playoff scores ever be posted?
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Post by Sir Thopas » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:53 pm

aarcoh wrote:will the playoff scores ever be posted?
Whoops, sorry, I thought they already have been. I'll get them up as soon as I can, probably in the next day or two.

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Post by Sir Thopas » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:37 pm

Here's what I have. I may be able to get some more of the scores, but at least all the rankings are here.

QUARTERFINALS
(1) Stuy A def. (8) Bergen C 480-80
(2) Gonzaga def. Bergen B (7)
(3) Bergen A def. HHHW B (6)
(5) HHHW A def. (4) Trinity A 310-150 (?)

SEMIFINALS
(1) Stuy A def. (5) HHHW A 440-125
(2) Gonzaga def. (3) Bergen A

THIRD PLACE GAME
(3) Bergen A def. (5) HHHW A

FINALS
(1) Stuy A def. (2) Gonzaga 550-115

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Post by Ondes Martenot » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:12 pm

if i can help you out

i think we lost to gonzaga 440-150 or something (mainly due to six straight negs from watson and i....it was painful)

we beat hhw a 450 115 or something like that (mainly due to watson alone having 145 points on tossups...it was painful, but only for the other team :grin: )
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Post by Ondes Martenot » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:14 pm

will this tournament ever be posted on that ranking site?
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Post by Sir Thopas » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:47 pm

aarcoh wrote:will this tournament ever be posted on that ranking site?
I'll send him the results, but I think David's on leave until mid-February or so, so you'll probably have to wait until then . . .

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