Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Kyle » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:28 pm

You will have competition here — don't worry about that!

Please note that we are getting very, very close to the cap for this tournament (and note that the cap was announced last May). We're looking into ways to increase the field size and should be able to give you an update on that soon, but we can't promise anything. If you want to register, do it now. It is also likely that, if we can enlarge the field, we will ask for a limited number of volunteers to moderate; of course there will be a discount for the teams that bring them. Finally, we are very short on buzzers. I know that it's hard to travel with a buzzer system, but if it is possible for you to bring buzzers, then please let Andy know. He is kind of freaking out about the prospect of running ten rooms of slapbowl. Again, you will get a discount if you bring buzzers.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Kyle » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:26 pm

The field is temporarily full until Andy and I meet about the possibility of extending it.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by erkifish26 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:45 pm

Byram Hills will be bringing at least one buzzer system. How many do you have right now?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:50 pm

Nine, so it would be welcome if "at least one" becomes, you know, "nine more."
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Terrible Shorts Depot » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:47 pm

We will bring a buzzer.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by erkifish26 » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:58 pm

In that case, we can volunteer all two of our buzzer sets. Coupled with Shady Side, seven more?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:46 pm

Hey--we're now under our cap again; Needham is bringing only one team.

And we're capped again.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by NRacademicteam » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:30 am

New Rochelle will gladly bring one buzzer to support the cause of the tournament
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Kyle » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:37 am

It looks unlikely that we will be able to increase the field size, so plan on a 36-team tournament. We have at least one team on the waiting list. If you registered three teams but now aren't sure if that third team is going to come after all, please take a moment either to make absolutely sure that it will come or to cancel its registration — it would be a shame not to have a full field when we have to turn teams away. We're really sorry about having to cap the field at 36, but we can't get more rooms. Next year we'll see if we can get up to 42.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:42 pm

Hey,

Please send me an email if you're staying in the Residence Inn Cambridge, and with how many rooms. The Residence Inn can't themselves determine who's actually staying there under our group rate for some reason, and I'd rather like to know how much money we'll be losing for trying to provide this group rate.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Susan » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:00 pm

Is this the way group rates work at all the hotels around you? In my (limited) experience of reserving blocks of hotel rooms, I've found that some hotels will hold a block of rooms for you at a discounted rate until some date (three or more weeks before the event, specified in your contract with the hotel) without holding you responsible for unused rooms. If that's not an option in Cambridge, that sucks, but otherwise it might make your life a little easier for future iterations of this tournament.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:42 pm

The one did not hold us responsible; once the number of teams attending from out of state declined precipitously over the course of about a day and a half, we kicked out of that deal. This one has innumerable problems (with dealing with us in a customer-servicey way; from personal and anecdotal experience, the hotel itself is terrific) and unless they change, it will not be our hotel next year.

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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by erkifish26 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:51 pm

The Mattison twins, who are a main force behind our A team, have just informed me that they can't go. This leaves the weaker two members of the A team, Raymond Xu and myself, as the A teamers currently attending. We're considering calling up the top two B teamers or just canceling- I'll let you know this week what the final ruling is.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by erkifish26 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:04 pm

Byram will not be attending.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:15 pm

Ike ain't comin' no mo' so Exeter gets in off the wait list.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:53 pm

Hey, so here's a funny story.

Currently, we have four rooms taken in the Residence Inn. We need to fill twenty rooms for one night and ten for two nights. At the moment, we stand to lose about $6500 because we decided to provide everyone with a good deal. Needless to say, we are never, ever going to do this again, but for the moment, please, please, please stay in the Residence Inn. It's the best hotel option in town; I know this for a fact, and the alternative is that Harvard College Bowl ceases to be.

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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by NRacademicteam » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:07 pm

Hey-
Does anyone know what time the tournament will start/end? Also, how much is it for a room at the Inn? We MIGHT stay there if it's cheap enough, but most likely not. The starting/ending times are crucial,though, so if they could be posted, that's be great. Thanks :grin:
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:10 am

The tournament will start promptly at 9:00am, with rounds beginning no later than 9:20am (and you absolutely cannot check in later than 9:10am, because to do otherwise would be totally disastrous for our ability to set buzzers up and get the tournament moving). This is mostly so that we can get the finals started by 5:30pm at the absolute very latest. With any luck, they'll be done earlier, but it's a tournament and stuff happens. I'd really urge you to be here to register beforehand. The buildings are unlocked at 8:00am, and you can believe me that we'll be there ready to register you (as well as setting things up) if you want to come then. Either way, the ideal function of the tournament hinges on the median registration time being like 8:45am.

Anyway, the rooms, Ian, are $189/night. Please stay there. Currently we're looking at financial losses that would bankrupt the club for at least the next year. So your money really is better spent there than anywhere else.

Also: Stuyvesant is newly in our field. Everyone welcome them enthusiastically. Also, please stay in that hotel there.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by NRacademicteam » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:14 pm

can we stay there both nights (Friday and Saturday)?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Skepticism and Animal Feed » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:50 pm

Hey guys,

I am considering running an NE mirror of RMPFest at Harvard on NOVEMBER 16, which is the day after HFT.

RMPFest is a college-level tournament consisting entirely of tossups on religion, mythology, and philosophy. If the mirror happens, it would be open to anybody. This means that the following people can play the tournament:

(1) high school players
(2) high school coaches
(3) college players
(4) Dennis Loo
(5) random people off the street

Naturally, high school players would be allowed to form larger teams than other, more experienced players, to make things more fair.

This is a great opportunity to learn college-level clues about these subjects and I would urge high schoolers to be bold about seizing such an opportunity.

If you would be able to play at RMPFest the day after HFT, please let me know.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Terrible Shorts Depot » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:11 pm

I'd be willing to play RMPfest, but I don't know what time we are leaving. So, if the times work out, I'll play. If not, I'll staff or something until I have to leave. I kinda suck at all three of those things, but I'm eager to learn.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by at your pleasure » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:17 pm

Out of curiosity, is there a concrete time for the 20th century humanites event?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:11 pm

Based on the fact that we got nearly no takers for the Saturday night hotel rooms, we're assuming that a sufficiently small number of teams are interested in a Sunday side that the 20th Century event will be Saturday evening, barring general uproar.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by at your pleasure » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:25 pm

Thanks. Is there a separate regisration for the 20th century event?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:13 pm

Hey, everyone: Exeter just dropped. If you were considering maybe sending a second or third team, this would be an absolutely fantastic time for you to decide to do so, because currently we're at 35 teams and that's no fun for making a schedule that's at all reasonable. (Though if you have great ideas, we'd love to hear them.)
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:27 pm

everyday847 wrote:Hey, everyone: Exeter just dropped. If you were considering maybe sending a second or third team, this would be an absolutely fantastic time for you to decide to do so, because currently we're at 35 teams and that's no fun for making a schedule that's at all reasonable. (Though if you have great ideas, we'd love to hear them.)
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:40 pm

The reason I'd be reluctant to do that is that you end up eliminating 6/7 of the field after six games have been played.

The alternative is having two "top brackets," seeded like 1, 3, 5, 8, 10, 12, 14 // 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13 (I think that's fair?) and giving them each seven games, bringing us to a total of thirteen games before the final. We currently have thirteen packets including the final AND tiebreakers. And they're not done yet.

So having team thirty-six sign up right now would allow us to hold a much better tournament.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by at your pleasure » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:37 pm

You could offer a discout for teams willing to contribute to a scab team. That's all I can think of.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:43 pm

That'd be a day-of solution; for the moment I'm happier to have more distinct teams playing more quizbowl.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:10 pm

Hey, so since Suffield Academy just dropped, we're at 34 teams. I want to run two seventeen team brackets as much as you guys do.

Teams should totally sign up, like, right now.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by kcommo » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:05 pm

Andrew,

David Rome will have to let you know officially, but it's looking like we (Burlington) will probably need to drop out as well. Most of our students have unforeseen conflicts, unfortunately.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by at your pleasure » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:57 pm

EDIT:Accidental post
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:43 pm

kcommo wrote:Andrew,

David Rome will have to let you know officially, but it's looking like we (Burlington) will probably need to drop out as well. Most of our students have unforeseen conflicts, unfortunately.
Thank you for letting us know.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Kyle » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:51 pm

Watkins, let's just kick someone else out so we can have 32 teams.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:57 pm

Kyle wrote:Watkins, let's just kick someone else out so we can have 32 teams.
Hey guys, every day you spend not having dropped out costs you five dollars more. State College and Hunter, you're big and small blind.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:38 pm

Note that there are now 33 teams signed up. Our current tournament format:

1) Play five Swiss rounds.
2) Ask not for whom the bell tolls.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Kyle » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:56 pm

Yeah, seriously, let's get +3 or -1 teams soon. We have had five confirmed teams drop in the last two weeks.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by aestheteboy » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:19 pm

If by some tragedy you guys lose two more teams before the 15th, I may randomly appear out of nowhere and play solo.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Terrible Shorts Depot » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:43 pm

Hey State College,
You don't need all 5 of those teams, do you?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:06 pm

Uh, I hope that wasn't seriously suggesting one drop.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:39 pm

Jeremy Gibbs Free Energy wrote:Uh, I hope that wasn't seriously suggesting one drop.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by TheKingInYellow » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:42 pm

la2pgh wrote:Hey State College,
You don't need all 5 of those teams, do you?
Does anyone ever really need any of this?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:51 pm

TheKingInYelliow wrote:
la2pgh wrote:Hey State College,
You don't need all 5 of those teams, do you?
Does anyone ever really need any of this?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by rchschem » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:35 am

Andy:

Those of us who are mirroring will be receiving the questions electronically on, um, Thursday-ish?

I'm assuming.

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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:10 am

If you'd like, I can give you the preliminary rounds sometime on Thursday, but I think our target was early Friday evening to have the set pretty much done.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Magister Ludi » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:11 am

everyday847 wrote:If you'd like, I can give you the preliminary rounds sometime on Thursday, but I think our target was early Friday evening to have the set pretty much done.
You will receive them Thursday afternoon.
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by BroNi » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:49 am

Where can we park a small school bus? Parking garages are a no go. Any open lots around that will allow us in?
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:57 am

I quote an email I had teammate and stat room maven Brian Young write and send to another inquiring coach:

"I'd suggest you go ahead and purchase a visitor's parking permit, which is $5 for all day Saturday. Parking on campus is difficult to find without a permit.

Go to the webpage https://www2.uos.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/permit/purchase.pl to purchase your permit online. On that webpage, after creating an account and logging in, you will be given a list of lots to choose from. The most accessible parking lot will be the 1033 Mass Ave lot; there are lots that look closer to Harvard Yard on the map, but they involve some amount of circling on one-way streets and I hesitate to recommend them."
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Re: Harvard Fall Tournament III (11/15/08) -- Cambridge, MA

Post by BroNi » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:31 am

Kellenberg can bring a 4th team....possibly even a 5th if you can accommodate them!
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