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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:18 pm

HSNCT isn't like the same thing though. You are technically right I guess.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by cornfused » Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:47 am

Are you really going to count HSNCT as an Illinois high school tourney, Jonah? REALLY?
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by jonah » Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:11 am

cornfused wrote:Are you really going to count HSNCT as an Illinois high school tourney, Jonah? REALLY?
It's not like Illinois [IHSA] format, but neither is Earlybird. If you want to say Charlie attended no Illinois high school tournaments, I can see an argument for that, but if you're going to count Earlybird, in my mind you have to count HSNCT.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by AKKOLADE » Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:55 am

I am on the edge of my seat for this thrilling argument.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by cornfused » Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:43 pm

jonah wrote:
cornfused wrote:Are you really going to count HSNCT as an Illinois high school tourney, Jonah? REALLY?
It's not like Illinois [IHSA] format, but neither is Earlybird. If you want to say Charlie attended no Illinois high school tournaments, I can see an argument for that, but if you're going to count Earlybird, in my mind you have to count HSNCT.
I would count Earlybird, New Trier Varsity, Ultima, and the NAQT qualifier as Illinois high school tournaments, as they are tournaments run primarily for Illinois high schools. I wouldn't count HSNCT, just as PACE NSC my senior year wasn't really a Michigan HS tournament.

But anyway, it should be a fun tournament.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Trevkeeper » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:02 am

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by David Riley » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:33 am

All right,all right....my apologies for not specifically mentioning Nick "The Hat" (sounds like an alderman.....)
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by cornfused » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:05 am

David Riley wrote:All right,all right....my apologies for not specifically mentioning "Nicky The Hat" (sounds like an alderman.....)
Sounds like a mobster.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by David Riley » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:19 pm

Actually, it was a reference to Dorothy "Th Hat" Tillman, ex-alderperson in Chicago noted for her hats.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by cornfused » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:31 pm

Yeah, I caught that. But imagine Nick as a mob stooge - it's pretty good. Or as a Stooge.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by leapfrog314 » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:50 pm

Nick who?

Seriously though: I recall the time at New Trier that one of Nick's best friends asked me -- in his presence -- how "my" question company was doing. He was quite irate.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by the return of AHAN » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:16 am

GREAT NEWS, Illinoisans! In a posting dated 9/18/08, The IHSA has decreed,
"[SNIP]A school could meet year round with their students if they wanted and could schedule a contest with another school at anytime.[SNIP]" This surely applies to all activities, right? :smile:

And if THIS doesn't bring Tom Egan out to play, I'm out of ideas.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by cornfused » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:21 am

I just talked to Tom today - he's fine, but he's been very busy with work and family issues, so he hasn't had the extra time for hsquizbowl lately. Let's just all root against the Cubs and say something completely nonsensical every once in a while... he'll be back before we know it.


And Coach Price - read that whole Q and A. Right before (as in, directly before what you quoted, it says, "There is not a designated season for bass fishing." Schobowl has a designated season... that's the problem.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by the return of AHAN » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:11 am

cornfused wrote:I just talked to Tom today - he's fine, but he's been very busy with work and family issues, so he hasn't had the extra time for hsquizbowl lately. Let's just all root against the Cubs and say something completely nonsensical every once in a while... he'll be back before we know it.


And Coach Price - read that whole Q and A. Right before (as in, directly before what you quoted, it says, "There is not a designated season for bass fishing." Schobowl has a designated season... that's the problem.
Oh, trust me, Greg, I knew exactly where I snipped. I just omitted it to suck people into clicking the link to see the topic was regarding BASS FISHING! If Dr. Egan came back to the board tomorrow, I expect a full-on tirade comparing the hoops that scholastic bowl coaches deal with vs the free and easy world of competiton being designed for bass fishing. I still can't believe that's really going to be a state series.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:45 am

Just to be clear, here are the two limitations on IHSA Scholastic Bowl Teams:
1) You can only compete in 5-on-5 Scholastic Bowl on 18 dates during the regular season, which runs from the beginning of September until the conclusion of the IHSA Tournament in March. The IHSA Tournament does not count towards that limit, and the Masonic Tournament only counts as one date even if you make it to State.
2) You can only compete in 5-on-5 Scholastic Bowl on 1 date outside the regular season.

There are no limitations on practicing during the season or outside the season.

I don't know if any teams are truly constrained by these rules. Most teams just are not that active. For the very elite teams, they generally compete in some tournaments that are not 5-on-5. There may be some sophomores constrained from competing in all their team's Varsity and Frosh/Soph Tournaments, since Frosh/Soph Tournament dates do not count as dates toward the Varsity limit (the Frosh/Soph Teams have their own 18 date limit), but the limitation also states that no individual may compete on 18 dates of 5-on-5 Scholastic Bowl. So, it wouldn't surprise if there are some small number of people who would like to compete for the Varsity on 15 dates and on the Frosh/Soph on 5 dates, but they are not allowed to do it.

I wish there were no limits at all. However, I am not making this a high priority issue because I doubt I could change it and the limits are wide enough to be a minor inconvenience rather than an iron grip.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by David Riley » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:02 am

Agreed. We have a very full schedule this season, and there is probably only one sophomore that I need to worry about.

Just be glad we don't live in Missouri....
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by the return of AHAN » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:26 pm

Tell me how a green but scrappy Barrington High School frosh/soph squad could go about wrangling an invite to a tournament on December 13th. Ideally such a tournament would not be more than 30 miles away. Proximity to a major interstate is a plus. Can anyone help?
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by JackGlerum » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:59 pm

Woody Paige wrote:Tell me how a green but scrappy Barrington High School frosh/soph squad could go about wrangling an invite to a tournament on December 13th. Ideally such a tournament would not be more than 30 miles away. Proximity to a major interstate is a plus. Can anyone help?
We are hosting the third Davey & Goliath Throwdown on the 13th.

Within 30 miles: Yes.
Near an interstate: Right next to one.

I'll make sure you get an invite.

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by JackGlerum » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:04 am

Ultima info, for those interested:

Teams - 16
Auburn
Buffalo Grove
Carbondale
Fremd
IMSA
Loyola (2)
Maine South (2)
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Springfield
St. Ignatius
Stevenson (2)
Wheaton North
Wheaton South

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by BGSO » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:45 am

st ignatius? Does that mean Ig will be attending?
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by JackGlerum » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:49 pm

God I hope so

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by David Riley » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:53 am

So who will be at U of I EFT tomorrow?
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Deviant Insider » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:27 am

It's posted in the college section. The two high school teams will be New Trier and Auburn.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by cornfused » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:46 pm

Recent IL HS alums include John Brown, Luke Pacold, Carlo Angiuli, and Nick Matchen (Indiana,) Brad Fischer (NIU,) and myself (Lawrence, playing solo.)
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by JackGlerum » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:00 pm

IHSSBCA Newsletter wrote:Coaches Poll
by Kevin Palmer, Fremd HS, Palatine

Here are the results of the pre-season coaches poll. Ten points
were awarded for a #1 ranking, 9 for #2, and so on down to 1
point for #10. A total of 9 polls were sent in.

Class AA (large schools) total pts mentions # of #1

1. Rockford Auburn 78 8 7
2. Wilmette Loyola Academy 61 8 0
3. Lincolnshire Stevenson 55 7 1
4. Winnetka New Trier 47 7 0
5. Palatine Fremd 38 7 0
6. Carbondale 37 6 0
7. Aurora IMSA 22 6 0
8. Wheaton North 21 6 0
9. Wheaton-Warrenville South 18 5 0
10. Springfield HS 14 4 0
11. Arlington Heights St. Viator 10 2 0
12. Geneseo 6 1 0
13. Buffalo Grove 5 2 0
14. (tie) LaSalle Peru 4 1 0
14. (tie) Bloomington 4 1 0
Other schools receiving at least one vote: Dunlap, Homewood-
Flossmoor, Moline, Naperville North, Oak Park Fenwick, Quincy
Senior, Rockford Boylan, and Sterling.
Figured I'd post this since the season starts for two teams tomorrow, and for other teams in the coming weeks.

My initial reaction: Carbondale too low, Wheaton North too high. Can't wait for the season to start.

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by harpersferry » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:04 am

UIUC EFT Mirror:
Auburn made the second bracket on a three way tie with us and Ohio State for second place in one of the prelim RR. I don't remember where NT was (third bracket?). From what I could tell the stats were good from the individuals from IL.

Oh yeah, and Auburn beat IN (it was close...). That wasn't supposed to happen.

And in case anyone cares, Indiana lost all our second RR games in the top bracket.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Charley Pride » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:31 am

Zahed's Fave Five

1. Meeting Ig again will be both epic and awkward. Soooo many stories...so many...and I feel guilty about my level of involvement in some.

2. Playing in a college bowl tournament was superb. This was my first time as a starter with the varsity A team, and it was sort of a baptism by fire--in a good way. I echo Deesmeister's sentiment that high school teams in college bowl is a cool thing. I enjoyed playing against some teams that were strong, at least compared to us, in a very laid back environment. The tension in some of the Auburn-Wheaton games was incredible, yet the same types of scenarios with the same types of teams gave a more relaxed atmosphere. I have to say that playing against college teams was cool, but playing against a former teammate, along with two other former all-staters, and winning, was simply awesome.

3. The Cubs just got eliminated. As a Cleveland fan who has suffered many a hardship, I express my condolences to those who bleed Cubby blue.

4. This season is gonna be awesome. I can't wait to play against some of the other teams in the state.

5. Bass fishing. Awesome.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by cornfused » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:42 am

Zahed: "College quizbowl," not "college bowl." The first is the generic term for Scholastic Bowl-style competitions in college, while the second is a specific brand of such that is equally likely to be a) completely defunct or b) the Antichrist.

I'd add links, but I'm, um, tired. I finished in 5th/24, Indiana finished one spot below me - so that's two teams composed almost entirely of underclassmen from IL high schools in the top bracket. Not bad.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by JackGlerum » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:42 pm

Lime, Self and Society wrote:Stats
Player Team GP 10 -5 TUH P/TU Pts PPG
Daniel Thirman New Trier HS 12.0 1 0 240 0.04 10 0.83
Jules Reich New Trier HS 12.0 0 0 240 0.00 0 0.00
Ben Cohen New Trier HS 12.0 112 24 240 4.17 1000 83.33
DJ Germano New Trier HS 12.0 0 1 240

This makes Greg's teammates look like quiz bowl gods. Not sure if I should be worried that he put up such ridiculous numbers or happy that our biggest rival is one guy.

Looks like Auburn played quite well too; Congrats to both squads. Looking forward to seeing yall at Ultima/Earlybird/NU.

edit: referencing Gauthier, not Peterson, but maybe it could apply to both (never played Maine South when Greg was there)

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

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JohnGlerum wrote:
Lime, Self and Society wrote:Stats
edit: referencing Gauthier, not Peterson, but maybe it could apply to both (never played Maine South when Greg was there)
Peterson was most definitely not a one man team back then. This weekend, however, is a completely different story.

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:14 pm

Ben will have more help on other days. His teammates yesterday were all high school sophomores playing against college students. Yesterday was our Homecoming, among other things.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by cornfused » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:35 pm

I scored about half the tossup points for MS during my senior year - never more. That's not a one-man team, that's a team with a strong player.

NOTE: My teammates worse worse than Ben's this weekend, though - at least Ben's showed up.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:57 pm

I found the stats for Loyola from this weekend:

Player GP 10 -5 TUH Pts
Joe Ahmad 0.0 0 0 0 0
Joe Ahmad's teammates 0.0 0 0 0 0
Ratio of Ben's teammates' points to Joe's teammates' points: inf
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:29 pm

If you want to make comparisons to Greg Gauthier's teammates, he had a teammate who qualified for the Scobol Solo Championship Match last year, and all of his teammates played through an entire national tournament. It seems like he may have had stronger teammates last year than Mike Verity did.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by JackGlerum » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:39 pm

Lime, Self and Society wrote:I found the stats for Loyola from this weekend:

Player GP 10 -5 TUH Pts
Joe Ahmad 0.0 0 0 0 0
Joe Ahmad's teammates 0.0 0 0 0 0
Ratio of Ben's teammates' points to Joe's teammates' points: inf
Still bitter from sectionals? Haha. I reeeeeeally wanted to go, but we had homecoming issues and I guess you didn't (although storming the field after shutting out #2 St. Rita beat any non-playoff quizbowl match). I am however looking forward to some good matchups between Joe & Co versus Ben & Co this year, as it seems their knowledge base frequently crosses paths. Ultima won't be a good measuring stick, but Earlybird will be.

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by JackGlerum » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:01 pm

Lime, Self and Society wrote:If you want to make comparisons to Greg Gauthier's teammates, he had a teammate who qualified for the Scobol Solo Championship Match last year, and all of his teammates played through an entire national tournament. It seems like he may have had stronger teammates last year than Mike Verity did.
The blows keep flying in! Indeed I should have made a better one man team comparison, as John, Kevin, Jeff, and Sam were all formidable players (especially John, as you referenced). And yes they beat us at least four times last year, none of them being close.

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by BGSO » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:00 pm

NAQT lists the Loyola invitational as a qualifying tournament :w-hat:
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by JackGlerum » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:02 pm

BGSO wrote:NAQT lists the Loyola invitational as a qualifying tournament :w-hat:
Davey & Goliath is a F/S tournament, and it looks we'll be using NAQT IS-78A tossups with in-house written bonuses (IHSA format). As it is a frosh/soph only tournament, the whole "top 15% to HSNCT" memo does not apply here (as far as I know).

Do not get this confused with the Ultima, which is a varsity tournament at Loyola the Saturday after next (field finalized).

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by David Riley » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:20 am

What Cap'n Jack said.

I have you guys down as one of teams for the Ultima, but it is a "pre-tryout" for Team Illinois, and thus a sort-of qualifier for (the competition formerly known as) Panasonnic. It is NOT a qualifier for NAQT.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by BGSO » Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:33 pm

I know Ultima isn't a qualifier for NAQT, I was more confused how a Fr/So tourney was a NAQT qualifier.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by David Riley » Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:17 pm

Our f/s isn't an NAQT qualifier...if NAQT says it is, then we got problems :grin:
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by BGSO » Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:26 pm

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by AlphaQuizBowler » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:16 pm

Being a frosh/soph tournament doesn't necessarily keep it from being an HSNCT qualifier. See the NAQT rules that allow tournaments to place restrictions on the field, including for experience.
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by David Riley » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:17 pm

Yes, I'm aware, but having a f/s team qualify for NAQT is like a guppy vs. a shark!
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by Charley Pride » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:37 am

That would be sad to watch...Imagine Dorman vs. Auburn/Loyola/(insert team) Fr/So.

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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by jonah » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:49 am

Aub-ZH wrote:That would be sad to watch...Imagine Dorman vs. Auburn/Loyola/(insert team) Fr/So.

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Have you listened to the audio from NT vs. State College A from the 2007 HSNCT? It might sound a lot like that. That audio is good for some amusement either way, especially if you enjoy laughing at Nick. (Nick, how's Carlo's question company going?)
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Re: Illinois '08-'09

Post by David Riley » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:23 pm

Uh oh....make room friends, there's gonna be a brawl! :grin:
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