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2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:24 pm
by pblessman
Last spring, sixty-six teams from across the US competed in the first Goldfish Championship. This year, we will run this type of tournament twice, once as a pre-season warm-up on October 15, and once on April 29 as a pre-Nationals warm-up. In the Goldfish Championships, your team can compete on NAQT questions against teams from all across the nation (and the maybe even the world) without having to leave your school.

All participating teams will be e-mailed a specially written NAQT packet with 30 TU and 24 PLEASE MAKE FUN OF ME BECAUSE I SPEAK NEITHER LATIN NOR ENGLISH, and on October 15 each team will get out their buzzer system and play a match against their favorite goldfish (i.e. NO opponent), moderated by the team coach (hence the tournament name!). The coach records the TU and Bonus scores for each question as well as on which word the team buzzed in and submits this info in Excel format.

The data will be analyzed to come up with two groups of results: The first list will show how many points each team scored against their goldfish on 24 TU/Bon, while the second group of data will show head-to-head scores for all possible permutations of teams. This means that if a hundred teams compete in this tournament, you will be able to see how you stack up against ninety-nine other teams!

The entry fee per team is $10; each school can enter as many teams as they like. The entry fee must be submitted by October 8 via PayPal to Phil Blessman at pblessman [at] yahoo [dot] com, or by snail-mail, payable to "Culver Academies" to Culver Quizbowl, c/o Phil Blessman, 1300 Academy Road, Culver, IN 46511. Please also feel free to write Phil at the same e-mail address if you have any questions! We hope you can all make it!

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:09 pm
by Matthew D
Phil put DAR High down for 3 teams... we can see how we are going to do..

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:20 pm
by intothenegs
If October 15 is not a very workable date for my team, would it be possible for us to still participate, but perhaps play the packet on a day earlier? My coach sounds interested in this, but many members of my team aren't available on Wednesdays due to work/classes/sports.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:56 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Caesar Rodney would love to sign up 1 team. You'll be getting the PayPal payment in a short time.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:53 pm
by quizbowllee
We will be in the middle of fall break on the 15th. Would it be possible to take the Goldfish a week early?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:02 pm
by Matthew D
Same with us

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:10 am
by quizbowllee
Uh... Goldfish... Need to take it early... That cool?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:58 pm
by pblessman
Hmmm... A week early is difficult (if not impossible...). Last time I allowed teams to do it the day before, if they had a conflict. Please e-mail me at pblessman [at] yahoo to make specific arrangements for your team.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:21 pm
by gabjoh
The defending national champions, Bergen County Academies, would like to register three to five teams.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:57 pm
by Ondes Martenot
If I remember from last year, Bergen already has one team on credit sort of (we paid for three teams but only two competed). Is this correct?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:49 pm
by intothenegs
So... would it be alright for James Monroe to do this a day early? I'm not sure if my coach has signed up for this yet, if not we should be registering within the next two days.

And also, is there a field update for this?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:13 am
by David Riley
We also would need to do it a day early.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:23 pm
by Salt Lake Dream
Whitman wants to participate (one team). We would need to do it on Tuesday, the 14th.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:12 pm
by BMahaffeySJHS
When are the questions and entry list for this going to be sent out?

Thanks.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:12 pm
by ... and the chaos of Mexican modernity
This is besides the point, but welcome to the boards Mr. Mahaffey. It is a pleasure to see another Horry County School team intrested in playing on the quizbowl circuit

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:03 pm
by BMahaffeySJHS
Thanks, Zach. We're looking forward to hosting your team next week.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:39 am
by pblessman
Field Update:

The final (?) field stands at 59 teams. Please let me know IMMEDIATELY if you'd like to adjust your number of teams up or down. Thanks!

School State #of teams
School State Teams
Adair County KY 1
Auburn (Riner) VA 2
Barrington IL 1
Bergen County NJ 3
Bromfield MA 1
Buffalo Grove IL 1
Caesar Rodney DE 1
Champlain Valley Union VT 3
Chatham NJ 1
Culver Academies IN 4
DAR TN 3
Dolgeville NY 3
Eastside (Covington) GA 2
Essex VT 1
Governor School VA 1
Hamilton Southeastern IN 1
Harrison IN 4
James Monroe VA 2
JFK Memorial (Iselin) NJ 1
Kellenberg NY 4
Loyola IL 2
MAST NJ 5
Minneapolis South MN 1
NCHS IN 1
New Trier IL 1
North White IN 2
Quincy IL 1
Rockford Auburn IL 1
St. James (Murrells Inlet) SC 1
Tippecanoe OH 1
Verona NJ 1
Walt Whitman MD 1
Wheaton North IL 1

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:03 am
by Matthew D
Phil,
DAR is in Alabama not Tennessee

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:43 pm
by David Riley
Phil, we're not in your list...I'm assuming this means we can't do it Tuesday?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:48 pm
by pblessman
Sorry to both previous posters! I've changed it to AL and added in Loyola. Competing on Tuesday is fine.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:53 pm
by ieppler
Is "Montgomery County MD" the team from Richard Montgomery, Montgomery Blair, or some other Montgomery County high school?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:35 pm
by Matthew D
What day are you planning on sending out the sets (Monday)?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:13 pm
by pblessman
Montgomery County was actually Walt Whitman again... long story... my mistake.

Questions will go out tomorrow (Tuesday) in the AM.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:25 pm
by BMahaffeySJHS
Thanks for putting this together, Phil.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:31 am
by pblessman
You're welcome, Brett!

I've e-mailed out the packets. If you haven't received your packet, inctructions, and scoresheet, please let me know ASAP, in case your server or my server ate it (or you were left off the mailing list by my mistake).

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:48 pm
by Matthew D
Thanks Phil, even though we didn't do that well or at least I don't think that we did... it was fun and a different way of doing practice for today

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:01 pm
by intothenegs
Mr. Blessman,
James Monroe has not received its Goldfish packet.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:42 pm
by the return of AHAN
Matthew D wrote:Thanks Phil, even though we didn't do that well or at least I don't think that we did... it was fun and a different way of doing practice for today
Well then one of us will feel better when we see the other's scores! :grin:
My guess is it's you, as my team today consisted of one sophomore, and a few freshmen. No juniors. No seniors. They beat their stuffed lizard, at least! :razz:

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:10 pm
by Matthew D
Trust me I know your pain.. I have seniors and juniors that have NEVER played before this year and my team last year only had sophomores and freshman with an 8th grader some of the time

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:53 pm
by gabjoh
Bergen County Academies never got our packet; we had practice and our team prepared to play, and I called and emailed you (although the email may not have gotten through). Please reply to my email address ( gabjoh [the at symbol] bergen.org ) The only real possible solution is for us to do it next Tuesday.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:07 pm
by mithokie
Is the set clear for discussion? I've got one pretty hillarious neg for the bad negs post, but I don't want to discuss it too early if there are other teams that have yet to play the set.

Thanks,

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:54 pm
by BMahaffeySJHS
I've got a couple of insanely funny negs from this one too.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:32 pm
by at your pleasure
Is the set clear for discussion? I've got one pretty hillarious neg for the bad negs post, but I don't want to discuss it too early if there are other teams that have yet to play the set.

Thanks,
Unless there's some kind of special dispensation from NAQT, I think that it will only be cleared after HSNCT.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:40 pm
by JackGlerum
Anti-Climacus wrote:
Is the set clear for discussion? I've got one pretty hillarious neg for the bad negs post, but I don't want to discuss it too early if there are other teams that have yet to play the set.

Thanks,
Unless there's some kind of special dispensation from NAQT, I think that it will only be cleared after HSNCT.
Does that hold true for all NAQT tournaments? I didn't know that. Why would dicussing IS sets affect the HSNCT?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:59 pm
by evilmonkey
JackGlerum wrote:
Anti-Climacus wrote:
Is the set clear for discussion? I've got one pretty hillarious neg for the bad negs post, but I don't want to discuss it too early if there are other teams that have yet to play the set.

Thanks,
Unless there's some kind of special dispensation from NAQT, I think that it will only be cleared after HSNCT.
Does that hold true for all NAQT tournaments? I didn't know that. Why would dicussing IS sets affect the HSNCT?
It doesn't affect HSNCT... it affects other tournaments run later in the year on the same question set. I'd imagine that this wouldn't apply to the Goldfish set, but given that some teams (see Bergen above) didn't get their packet, you probably should hold off.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:33 pm
by intothenegs
Was the Goldfish packet IS or A-level?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:48 pm
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
Does that hold true for all NAQT tournaments? I didn't know that. Why would dicussing IS sets affect the HSNCT?
NAQT, like most question providers, uses their product at multiple sites across a broad length of time (usually from whenever it is made available until the end of the school year), so it would be considered inappropriate to publicly discuss those questions until the end of the NAQT year, which is the HSNCT because teams would be able to cheat.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:51 pm
by JackGlerum
Right, I know that many tournaments on many dates use various NAQT sets, both IS and A, but given that Goldfish has
pblessman wrote:a specially written NAQT packet with 30 TU and 24 PLEASE MAKE FUN OF ME BECAUSE I SPEAK NEITHER LATIN NOR ENGLISH
, I wasn't sure why we wouldn't be able to discuss the Goldfish questions (sans the Bergen issue).

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:51 am
by Fucitol
Some of the questions seemed like IS, but some of the questions seemed like IS+++++

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:31 pm
by at your pleasure
I thought I saw A-level on them, but I've also heard that A-level sets are better than they used to be.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:12 pm
by BGSO
When will we see results?

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:52 pm
by Fucitol
Give them some time, they have over 1600 games to run through, I think...

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:09 pm
by BGSO
Relax, just asking if there is a general date set for the release of the results.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:02 pm
by Fucitol
It was just a joke. :grin:

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:39 pm
by pblessman
Alrighty... I could post preliminary goldfish results for the goldfish (I've got 51 goldfish scores tallied right now), but I won't at this time (explanation below)... I mean preliminary for two reasons:

1. There might be a scoresheet that I have missed... please check the list below to see whether your school is listed as having turned in scores.

2. Bergen County, at the very minimum, did not receive their packet, and I will try again to get it to them. As they were the head-to-head champs last year, I would feel REALLY bad if they didn't get to compete, so I will extend the deadline for completing this until Tuesday night. If there is anybody else out there who would like to jump on the turn-it-in-late bandwagon (say people on Fall break... Brindlee Mountain, e.g.), please let me know ASAP.

So, I could post scores, but I don't want to affect the way the remaining schools play by letting them know how everybody did... seems to make sense. If Brindlee Mountain and Bergen County know what score they have to beat they might be more or less aggressive.

That being said, here are the teams I have scoresheets for thus far:

Adair County
Auburn (VA) A
Auburn (VA) B
Barrington F/S
Bromfield School
Buffalo Grove
Caesar Rodney
Champlain Valley A
Champlain Valley B
Champlain Valley C
Chatham A
Chatham B
Chatham C
Chatham D
Culver A
Culver B
Culver C
Culver D
Culver E
DAR A
DAR B
Dolgeville A
Dolgeville B
Eastside A
Eastside B
Essex
Fishers
Harrison A
Harrison B
Harrison C
Harrison D
James Monroe A
James Monroe B
JFK
Kellenberg A
Kellenberg B
Kellenberg C
Kellenberg D
Loyola
MAST A
MAST B
MAST C
MAST D
NCHS
New Trier
North White A
North White B
Rockford Auburn
St. James
Walt Whitman
Wheaton North

If you're not on this list, but think you submitted your score, please double check and get back to me ASAP.

Thanks!

Phil Blessman

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:47 pm
by pblessman
Oh, a couple more things:

1. For obvious reasons, please hold off on discussing questions until AFTER Tuesday's modified deadline.
2. I should have goldfish results back to you rather quickly after Tuesday (say on Wednesday) and then head-to-head results should be not to long after that, maybe Thursday or Friday night. Last time it only took me a couple days to post results, but we've had a few hiccups this time...

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:15 pm
by quizbowllee
Brindlee Mountain will compete with 2 teams. Please send the packets to: henrytl@marshallk12.org.

I appreciate it.

-Lee

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:38 pm
by jbarnes112358
Maggie Walker sent in their data last Wed. Please check to see if you have it. If not I can resend it tomorrow.

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:56 pm
by quizbowllee
Are you going to be able to send me the packet tonight? We need to do it tomorrow.

Thanks,

Lee

Re: 2008 Pre-Season Goldfish Championship: 10/15/2008

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:46 pm
by pblessman
Waiting on scoresheets for Maggie Walker and Bergen County...